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LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
Hopefully you can teach him and we can improve our results. Since he's done that we're all been going downhill, eventually we might run out of luck.

And we don't play a 4-3-1-2 with a proper AM, ffs, you make it sound like if we are Ancelotti's Milan and Allegri wants Vidal to be a Kaka. :lol: And Pereyra would not be able to do that job too, you don't have a clear idea about the player if you think so.

You've been posting this $#@! with Pereyra as a starter everywhere, like if this is something obvious that just a clown wouldn't see, while Roberto, that I appreciate, has nothing better than our top 4 midfielders. Not a great dribbler, he didn't beat his man once against Toro in the last minutes in the right flank today and he was fresh. His passing is better than Vidal? Nah. His timing? Nah. His drive and tackling? No. We're often shaped as a 4-2-2-2/4-1-3-2 and he's not better than Vidal or Pogba in those position. Vidal has had his job today, he was mobile and smart as requested by this system, he interchanged his position with Marchisio to let him go in sometimes, with a tactical acume that I'm not sure Pereyra would have had. Vidal was one of the best in the pitch today IMO, even if the overall performance of the team wasn't high and they were all tired, Arturo too, and showed it. But Pereyra played today a full half hour and didn't do nothing to deserve a safe starting spot as you claim.

Then you say Allegro is doing weird (???) things to play all our 4 CMs. First of all, all of them are world class players that would play pretty much everywhere, don't give a $#@! about the hype or Serie A statements. Then in 5 matches with the new system, they played just in 3 of them, and there was even the international break in the middle. Pereyra even started an important match like Lazio away, when Vidal was available.

Let's hope the guy gets a clue soon, however, he can't see such obvious things... If he did whatever he had too we'd have played in a good way perhaps, instead of scraping in ugly matches and slow football with Vidal AM. :lol:
So much garbage in one post I hope you're proud of yourself :lol:

First of all when Juve play with Pereyra it's 4321/433 with Tevez and Pereyra stretching the play while with Vidal we play more of a 4312 which makes the play very narrow and in the process slower. It makes things more difficult as it's hard to surprise the opponent (the same issue we had with the 352). We play slower, the opponent can defend better thanks to that which makes us lose the ball more which could be seen last night easily. You spill all your rubbish statements but we've played our best games against Parma and Lazio with the new formation where Pereyra started. It's not because Pereyra is "better" than Vidal but because he suits our needs more. You claim Vidal's better than Pereyra which just shows how clueless you are. You're comparing apples to oranges here but it's all good :lol: While Vidal most of the time passes back the ball backwards, Pereyra most of the time moves forward and thanks to that Tevez is not left alone on his own to create something. He's an actual danger to opponent's defense because he CAN beat his man and create something while Vidal is a more static player that needs someone to creat something. It's so easy too see just pay more attention. We play in a much more fluid way, faster and create more chances. Vidal's defending ability is not what we need when he plays in more advanced role. If we have a player more composed, creating more danger upfront who doesn't lose the ball too often it's not that important. Pereyra is not perfect I'd much rather having someone better with his characteristics but we have to cope with what we have. Vidal is a WC B2B and he should play there it's that easy.

You want to school me over football matters yet you makes jokes about rotation? My statement stands still, we cannot start the all 4 mids because they look deadtired after a couple of matches which happened yesterday. No midfield for us means we're not getting anything from a match most likely but keep it coming, we're good as we were yesterday being killed by Torino who had their match on Thursday having 2 days less of rest. I'm not satisfied with the performance from yesterday because we played pretty bad not only due to fatigue but hey it's too difficult for you to see I guess.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
Hopefully you can teach him and we can improve our results. Since he's done that we're all been going downhill, eventually we might run out of luck.

And we don't play a 4-3-1-2 with a proper AM, ffs, you make it sound like if we are Ancelotti's Milan and Allegri wants Vidal to be a Kaka. :lol: And Pereyra would not be able to do that job too, you don't have a clear idea about the player if you think so.

You've been posting this $#@! with Pereyra as a starter everywhere, like if this is something obvious that just a clown wouldn't see, while Roberto, that I appreciate, has nothing better than our top 4 midfielders. Not a great dribbler, he didn't beat his man once against Toro in the last minutes in the right flank today and he was fresh. His passing is better than Vidal? Nah. His timing? Nah. His drive and tackling? No. We're often shaped as a 4-2-2-2/4-1-3-2 and he's not better than Vidal or Pogba in those position. Vidal has had his job today, he was mobile and smart as requested by this system, he interchanged his position with Marchisio to let him go in sometimes, with a tactical acume that I'm not sure Pereyra would have had. Vidal was one of the best in the pitch today IMO, even if the overall performance of the team wasn't high and they were all tired, Arturo too, and showed it. But Pereyra played today a full half hour and didn't do nothing to deserve a safe starting spot as you claim.

Then you say Allegro is doing weird (???) things to play all our 4 CMs. First of all, all of them are world class players that would play pretty much everywhere, don't give a $#@! about the hype or Serie A statements. Then in 5 matches with the new system, they played just in 3 of them, and there was even the international break in the middle. Pereyra even started an important match like Lazio away, when Vidal was available.

Let's hope the guy gets a clue soon, however, he can't see such obvious things... If he did whatever he had too we'd have played in a good way perhaps, instead of scraping in ugly matches and slow football with Vidal AM. :lol:
So much garbage in one post I hope you're proud of yourself :lol:

First of all when Juve play with Pereyra it's 4321/433 with Tevez and Pereyra stretching the play while with Vidal we play more of a 4312 which makes the play very narrow and in the process slower. It makes things more difficult as it's hard to surprise the opponent (the same issue we had with the 352). We play slower, the opponent can defend better thanks to that which makes us lose the ball more which could be seen last night easily. You spill all your rubbish statements but we've played our best games against Parma and Lazio with the new formation where Pereyra started. It's not because Pereyra is "better" than Vidal but because he suits our needs more. You claim Vidal's better than Pereyra which just shows how clueless you are. You're comparing apples to oranges here but it's all good :lol: While Vidal most of the time passes back the ball backwards, Pereyra most of the time moves forward and thanks to that Tevez is not left alone on his own to create something. He's an actual danger to opponent's defense because he CAN beat his man and create something while Vidal is a more static player that needs someone to creat something. It's so easy too see just pay more attention. We play in a much more fluid way, faster and create more chances. Vidal's defending ability is not what we need when he plays in more advanced role. If we have a player more composed, creating more danger upfront who doesn't lose the ball too often it's not that important. Pereyra is not perfect I'd much rather having someone better with his characteristics but we have to cope with what we have. Vidal is a WC B2B and he should play there it's that easy.

You want to school me over football matters yet you makes jokes about rotation? My statement stands still, we cannot start the all 4 mids because they look deadtired after a couple of matches which happened yesterday. No midfield for us means we're not getting anything from a match most likely but keep it coming, we're good as we were yesterday being killed by Torino who had their match on Thursday having 2 days less of rest. I'm not satisfied with the performance from yesterday because we played pretty bad not only due to fatigue but hey it's too difficult for you to see I guess.
 

AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
So much garbage in one post I hope you're proud of yourself :lol:

First of all when Juve play with Pereyra it's 4321/433 with Tevez and Pereyra stretching the play while with Vidal we play more of a 4312 which makes the play very narrow and in the process slower. It makes things more difficult as it's hard to surprise the opponent (the same issue we had with the 352). We play slower, the opponent can defend better thanks to that which makes us lose the ball more which could be seen last night easily. You spill all your rubbish statements but we've played our best games against Parma and Lazio with the new formation where Pereyra started. It's not because Pereyra is "better" than Vidal but because he suits our needs more. You claim Vidal's better than Pereyra which just shows how clueless you are. You're comparing apples to oranges here but it's all good :lol: While Vidal most of the time passes back the ball backwards, Pereyra most of the time moves forward and thanks to that Tevez is not left alone on his own to create something. He's an actual danger to opponent's defense because he CAN beat his man and create something while Vidal is a more static player that needs someone to creat something. It's so easy too see just pay more attention. We play in a much more fluid way, faster and create more chances. Vidal's defending ability is not what we need when he plays in more advanced role. If we have a player more composed, creating more danger upfront who doesn't lose the ball too often it's not that important. Pereyra is not perfect I'd much rather having someone better with his characteristics but we have to cope with what we have. Vidal is a WC B2B and he should play there it's that easy.

You want to school me over football matters yet you makes jokes about rotation? My statement stands still, we cannot start the all 4 mids because they look deadtired after a couple of matches which happened yesterday. No midfield for us means we're not getting anything from a match most likely but keep it coming, we're good as we were yesterday being killed by Torino who had their match on Thursday having 2 days less of rest. I'm not satisfied with the performance from yesterday because we played pretty bad not only due to fatigue but hey it's too difficult for you to see I guess.
:tup:

 

AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
So much garbage in one post I hope you're proud of yourself :lol:

First of all when Juve play with Pereyra it's 4321/433 with Tevez and Pereyra stretching the play while with Vidal we play more of a 4312 which makes the play very narrow and in the process slower. It makes things more difficult as it's hard to surprise the opponent (the same issue we had with the 352). We play slower, the opponent can defend better thanks to that which makes us lose the ball more which could be seen last night easily. You spill all your rubbish statements but we've played our best games against Parma and Lazio with the new formation where Pereyra started. It's not because Pereyra is "better" than Vidal but because he suits our needs more. You claim Vidal's better than Pereyra which just shows how clueless you are. You're comparing apples to oranges here but it's all good :lol: While Vidal most of the time passes back the ball backwards, Pereyra most of the time moves forward and thanks to that Tevez is not left alone on his own to create something. He's an actual danger to opponent's defense because he CAN beat his man and create something while Vidal is a more static player that needs someone to creat something. It's so easy too see just pay more attention. We play in a much more fluid way, faster and create more chances. Vidal's defending ability is not what we need when he plays in more advanced role. If we have a player more composed, creating more danger upfront who doesn't lose the ball too often it's not that important. Pereyra is not perfect I'd much rather having someone better with his characteristics but we have to cope with what we have. Vidal is a WC B2B and he should play there it's that easy.

You want to school me over football matters yet you makes jokes about rotation? My statement stands still, we cannot start the all 4 mids because they look deadtired after a couple of matches which happened yesterday. No midfield for us means we're not getting anything from a match most likely but keep it coming, we're good as we were yesterday being killed by Torino who had their match on Thursday having 2 days less of rest. I'm not satisfied with the performance from yesterday because we played pretty bad not only due to fatigue but hey it's too difficult for you to see I guess.
:tup:

 

Epic

Junior Member
Jan 7, 2013
208
So much garbage in one post I hope you're proud of yourself :lol:

First of all when Juve play with Pereyra it's 4321/433 with Tevez and Pereyra stretching the play while with Vidal we play more of a 4312 which makes the play very narrow and in the process slower. It makes things more difficult as it's hard to surprise the opponent (the same issue we had with the 352). We play slower, the opponent can defend better thanks to that which makes us lose the ball more which could be seen last night easily. You spill all your rubbish statements but we've played our best games against Parma and Lazio with the new formation where Pereyra started. It's not because Pereyra is "better" than Vidal but because he suits our needs more. You claim Vidal's better than Pereyra which just shows how clueless you are. You're comparing apples to oranges here but it's all good :lol: While Vidal most of the time passes back the ball backwards, Pereyra most of the time moves forward and thanks to that Tevez is not left alone on his own to create something. He's an actual danger to opponent's defense because he CAN beat his man and create something while Vidal is a more static player that needs someone to creat something. It's so easy too see just pay more attention. We play in a much more fluid way, faster and create more chances. Vidal's defending ability is not what we need when he plays in more advanced role. If we have a player more composed, creating more danger upfront who doesn't lose the ball too often it's not that important. Pereyra is not perfect I'd much rather having someone better with his characteristics but we have to cope with what we have. Vidal is a WC B2B and he should play there it's that easy.

You want to school me over football matters yet you makes jokes about rotation? My statement stands still, we cannot start the all 4 mids because they look deadtired after a couple of matches which happened yesterday. No midfield for us means we're not getting anything from a match most likely but keep it coming, we're good as we were yesterday being killed by Torino who had their match on Thursday having 2 days less of rest. I'm not satisfied with the performance from yesterday because we played pretty bad not only due to fatigue but hey it's too difficult for you to see I guess.
Totally agree. Saying we should play with 4 CMs just because there are world class is pure nonsense. Vidal is not an AM neither is Marchisio or Pogba (even if he still may develope into one). Pereyra fits this 43whatever system much better and by no means should be replaced by a CM. We made an offensive and creative progress by dumping one completely unnecessary central defender and lets not halt that progress by playing with 4 CMs instead. Every successful team in Europe plays with at least 3 and even more often 4 purely offensive players and yet some here still would like us to play with just 2. Stupid.
 

Epic

Junior Member
Jan 7, 2013
208
So much garbage in one post I hope you're proud of yourself :lol:

First of all when Juve play with Pereyra it's 4321/433 with Tevez and Pereyra stretching the play while with Vidal we play more of a 4312 which makes the play very narrow and in the process slower. It makes things more difficult as it's hard to surprise the opponent (the same issue we had with the 352). We play slower, the opponent can defend better thanks to that which makes us lose the ball more which could be seen last night easily. You spill all your rubbish statements but we've played our best games against Parma and Lazio with the new formation where Pereyra started. It's not because Pereyra is "better" than Vidal but because he suits our needs more. You claim Vidal's better than Pereyra which just shows how clueless you are. You're comparing apples to oranges here but it's all good :lol: While Vidal most of the time passes back the ball backwards, Pereyra most of the time moves forward and thanks to that Tevez is not left alone on his own to create something. He's an actual danger to opponent's defense because he CAN beat his man and create something while Vidal is a more static player that needs someone to creat something. It's so easy too see just pay more attention. We play in a much more fluid way, faster and create more chances. Vidal's defending ability is not what we need when he plays in more advanced role. If we have a player more composed, creating more danger upfront who doesn't lose the ball too often it's not that important. Pereyra is not perfect I'd much rather having someone better with his characteristics but we have to cope with what we have. Vidal is a WC B2B and he should play there it's that easy.

You want to school me over football matters yet you makes jokes about rotation? My statement stands still, we cannot start the all 4 mids because they look deadtired after a couple of matches which happened yesterday. No midfield for us means we're not getting anything from a match most likely but keep it coming, we're good as we were yesterday being killed by Torino who had their match on Thursday having 2 days less of rest. I'm not satisfied with the performance from yesterday because we played pretty bad not only due to fatigue but hey it's too difficult for you to see I guess.
Totally agree. Saying we should play with 4 CMs just because there are world class is pure nonsense. Vidal is not an AM neither is Marchisio or Pogba (even if he still may develope into one). Pereyra fits this 43whatever system much better and by no means should be replaced by a CM. We made an offensive and creative progress by dumping one completely unnecessary central defender and lets not halt that progress by playing with 4 CMs instead. Every successful team in Europe plays with at least 3 and even more often 4 purely offensive players and yet some here still would like us to play with just 2. Stupid.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,872
Vidal is not a traditional AM but he can affect the game positively in other ways. He made that great layoff to Pirlo for the goal and the match before he had something like 5 key passes.

His finishing is also very good and he gets himself into good spots with his work rate.

I agree he's better as a B2B but in a 4-3-1-2 there is less of a chance for him to get forward. There are no channels for him to exploit when we have already 3 players ahead of him playing centrally. The 3 CMs in this formation are more concentrated on possession (ball control, short passing, etc.) which does not suit Vidal as much as AM where he has more freedom to be dynamic.

Vidal has 34 goals over the last 2 seasons. In a 4-3-1-2 you are moving him further away from goal if you play him as a CM. I think his recent form has made people forget how lethal he is in front of goal. He did not score his goals from outside the box. He scored them from inside the box. So it's not illogical to make sure he can still get into those areas.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,872
Vidal is not a traditional AM but he can affect the game positively in other ways. He made that great layoff to Pirlo for the goal and the match before he had something like 5 key passes.

His finishing is also very good and he gets himself into good spots with his work rate.

I agree he's better as a B2B but in a 4-3-1-2 there is less of a chance for him to get forward. There are no channels for him to exploit when we have already 3 players ahead of him playing centrally. The 3 CMs in this formation are more concentrated on possession (ball control, short passing, etc.) which does not suit Vidal as much as AM where he has more freedom to be dynamic.

Vidal has 34 goals over the last 2 seasons. In a 4-3-1-2 you are moving him further away from goal if you play him as a CM. I think his recent form has made people forget how lethal he is in front of goal. He did not score his goals from outside the box. He scored them from inside the box. So it's not illogical to make sure he can still get into those areas.
 

Epic

Junior Member
Jan 7, 2013
208
Vidal is not a traditional AM but he can affect the game positively in other ways. He made that great layoff to Pirlo for the goal and the match before he had something like 5 key passes.

His finishing is also very good and he gets himself into good spots with his work rate.

I agree he's better as a B2B but in a 4-3-1-2 there is less of a chance for him to get forward. There are no channels for him to exploit when we have already 3 players ahead of him playing centrally. The 3 CMs in this formation are more concentrated on possession (ball control, short passing, etc.) which does not suit Vidal as much as AM where he has more freedom to be dynamic.

Vidal has 34 goals over the last 2 seasons. In a 4-3-1-2 you are moving him further away from goal if you play him as a CM. I think his recent form has made people forget how lethal he is in front of goal. He did not score his goals from outside the box. He scored them from inside the box. So it's not illogical to make sure he can still get into those areas.
Agree that Vidal is lethal and very good offensively. But he scored all those goals as a B2B and he doesn't need to be further up the pitch to continue scoring.
 

Epic

Junior Member
Jan 7, 2013
208
Vidal is not a traditional AM but he can affect the game positively in other ways. He made that great layoff to Pirlo for the goal and the match before he had something like 5 key passes.

His finishing is also very good and he gets himself into good spots with his work rate.

I agree he's better as a B2B but in a 4-3-1-2 there is less of a chance for him to get forward. There are no channels for him to exploit when we have already 3 players ahead of him playing centrally. The 3 CMs in this formation are more concentrated on possession (ball control, short passing, etc.) which does not suit Vidal as much as AM where he has more freedom to be dynamic.

Vidal has 34 goals over the last 2 seasons. In a 4-3-1-2 you are moving him further away from goal if you play him as a CM. I think his recent form has made people forget how lethal he is in front of goal. He did not score his goals from outside the box. He scored them from inside the box. So it's not illogical to make sure he can still get into those areas.
Agree that Vidal is lethal and very good offensively. But he scored all those goals as a B2B and he doesn't need to be further up the pitch to continue scoring.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,872
Agree that Vidal is lethal and very good offensively. But he scored all those goals as a B2B and he doesn't need to be further up the pitch to continue scoring.
Ya but a B2B in a 3-5-2 is much different than in a 4-3-1-2. He has less opportunity to get forward when there are already 3 attackers ahead of him. We are already very narrow as it. When you try to add Vidal running through the centre it will be comically narrow. Surely you can see that.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,872
Agree that Vidal is lethal and very good offensively. But he scored all those goals as a B2B and he doesn't need to be further up the pitch to continue scoring.
Ya but a B2B in a 3-5-2 is much different than in a 4-3-1-2. He has less opportunity to get forward when there are already 3 attackers ahead of him. We are already very narrow as it. When you try to add Vidal running through the centre it will be comically narrow. Surely you can see that.
 

Epic

Junior Member
Jan 7, 2013
208
We need to run more risks. We cannot continue on this ultra conservative path that we took under Conte since it is leading us nowhere in Europe. Stronger teams have no problem containing an opponent with just two purely offensive players and no creativity or speed up front. It was demonstrated again and again in Europe. Surely you could see that ;)
 

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