Massimiliano Allegri (242 Viewers)

[AlexOB]

No, it's a great club for what they've achieved in the last years and for what they're doing in this one, and the squad they have. If we pick the excuse of European results, not even City can be considered a great club, for example.

Good common sense should be the way, instead of unleashing frustration for the team's bad results in Europe lately by bitching and bashing the team, that surely has some mentality issue in Europe after last year and we've seen it in all the last 3 Champions League matches, with basic mistakes that our players wouldn't have done in a Serie A match, 3 meter passes wrong, hurried decisions and sloppy defending.

In 2013-14 we crashed out, but playing a very more intense football, perhaps unaccurate, but this year there are real issues. Most of the squad respected way too much Conte and his words about us in Europe might have affected the team in a wrong way, that's my impression. Let's hope to fix it soon.

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

Tevez and Licht won't start for many top European sides, but it depends what you mean by a top European side.

You consider us one too, so...

Licht would!

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Tevez and Licht won't start for many top European sides, but it depends what you mean by a top European side.

You consider us one too, so...

Licht would!

 

[Klin]

Licht would!

Maybe

 

[Klin]

Licht would!

Maybe

 

[Bjerknes]

No, it's a great club for what they've achieved in the last years and for what they're doing in this one, and the squad they have. If we pick the excuse of European results, not even City can be considered a great club, for example.

Good common sense should be the way, instead of unleashing frustration for the team's bad results in Europe lately by bitching and bashing the team, that surely has some mentality issue in Europe after last year and we've seen it in all the last 3 Champions League matches, with basic mistakes that our players wouldn't have done in a Serie A match, 3 meter passes wrong, hurried decisions and sloppy defending.

In 2013-14 we crashed out, but playing a very more intense football, perhaps unaccurate, but this year there are real issues. Most of the squad respected way too much Conte and his words about us in Europe might have affected the team in a wrong way, that's my impression. Let's hope to fix it soon.

Those mistakes don't happen in Serie A because the teams sit back and crap their pants because they're terrible. Just look at how we played yesterday when Palermo came out strong in the second half, we started to play sloppy until they reverted back to their crap football.

Did it ever occur to you that the supposed "bitching" is because the fans here do stupid stuff like equate Serie A to the Champions League, or use the same excuses year after year about how we fail to secure certain players in the transfer market? The common sense approach is not going out of the way to create some sort of excuse for performances that places blame on something that is not palpable.

 

[Bjerknes]

No, it's a great club for what they've achieved in the last years and for what they're doing in this one, and the squad they have. If we pick the excuse of European results, not even City can be considered a great club, for example.

Good common sense should be the way, instead of unleashing frustration for the team's bad results in Europe lately by bitching and bashing the team, that surely has some mentality issue in Europe after last year and we've seen it in all the last 3 Champions League matches, with basic mistakes that our players wouldn't have done in a Serie A match, 3 meter passes wrong, hurried decisions and sloppy defending.

In 2013-14 we crashed out, but playing a very more intense football, perhaps unaccurate, but this year there are real issues. Most of the squad respected way too much Conte and his words about us in Europe might have affected the team in a wrong way, that's my impression. Let's hope to fix it soon.

Those mistakes don't happen in Serie A because the teams sit back and crap their pants because they're terrible. Just look at how we played yesterday when Palermo came out strong in the second half, we started to play sloppy until they reverted back to their crap football.

Did it ever occur to you that the supposed "bitching" is because the fans here do stupid stuff like equate Serie A to the Champions League, or use the same excuses year after year about how we fail to secure certain players in the transfer market? The common sense approach is not going out of the way to create some sort of excuse for performances that places blame on something that is not palpable.

 

[AlexOB]

Those mistakes don't happen in Serie A because the teams sit back and crap their pants because they're terrible. Just look at how we played yesterday when Palermo came out strong in the second half, we started to play sloppy until they reverted back to their crap football.

Did it ever occur to you that the supposed "bitching" is because the fans here do stupid stuff like equate Serie A to the Champions League, or use the same excuses year after year about how we fail to secure certain players in the transfer market? The common sense approach is not going out of the way to create some sort of excuse for performances that places blame on something that is not palpable.

Never talked about the transfer market, and never equated Serie A and Champions League.

But if someone tries to let me believe that Olympiacos, Galatasaray, Nordsjaelland and Kobenhavn are tougher teams to face than this Roma, Napoli's (this and Cavani's), Ibra's Milan and so on, teams that we've beaten (are more than once humiliated) throughout these last years, there are some things to clarify, I suppose. And we can understand that there have been mentality issues (this year, to a lesser extent last year) and misfortune.

(I still think that, in a not normal, but at least acceptable condition, that night in Istanbul, instead of playing the day later at 2:00 PM with the pitch destroyed and the team not even having an hotel at night... In some acceptable condition, we'd have squeezed through, and I base it on the 30 minutes played the night before before the snow problem, when we were strangely owning Galatasaray until the snowfest).

And I don't know how you can compare our match against Palermo, for example, a perhaps not amusing and slow match, but still an easy win with chances throughout the match, with the match in Athens when until minute 70 we did not have a single serious attempt, or the night in Madrid when we didn't have a serious attempt the whole match, against an Atletico that were FAR from great that night also. You see the players in Champions League, even the most technically gifted, doing basic mistakes (first half in Madrid, 5 meter pass wrong by Vidal with Tevez going into the net... Same thing in Athens with Tevez to Morata, in the first half. Just a pair of examples. Really not difficult to notice. Or the mistakes of Lichtsteiner 2 meters from the net against Malmo... I go by memory. Impossible to see those things in the league).

 

[AlexOB]

Those mistakes don't happen in Serie A because the teams sit back and crap their pants because they're terrible. Just look at how we played yesterday when Palermo came out strong in the second half, we started to play sloppy until they reverted back to their crap football.

Did it ever occur to you that the supposed "bitching" is because the fans here do stupid stuff like equate Serie A to the Champions League, or use the same excuses year after year about how we fail to secure certain players in the transfer market? The common sense approach is not going out of the way to create some sort of excuse for performances that places blame on something that is not palpable.

Never talked about the transfer market, and never equated Serie A and Champions League.

But if someone tries to let me believe that Olympiacos, Galatasaray, Nordsjaelland and Kobenhavn are tougher teams to face than this Roma, Napoli's (this and Cavani's), Ibra's Milan and so on, teams that we've beaten (are more than once humiliated) throughout these last years, there are some things to clarify, I suppose. And we can understand that there have been mentality issues (this year, to a lesser extent last year) and misfortune.

(I still think that, in a not normal, but at least acceptable condition, that night in Istanbul, instead of playing the day later at 2:00 PM with the pitch destroyed and the team not even having an hotel at night... In some acceptable condition, we'd have squeezed through, and I base it on the 30 minutes played the night before before the snow problem, when we were strangely owning Galatasaray until the snowfest).

And I don't know how you can compare our match against Palermo, for example, a perhaps not amusing and slow match, but still an easy win with chances throughout the match, with the match in Athens when until minute 70 we did not have a single serious attempt, or the night in Madrid when we didn't have a serious attempt the whole match, against an Atletico that were FAR from great that night also. You see the players in Champions League, even the most technically gifted, doing basic mistakes (first half in Madrid, 5 meter pass wrong by Vidal with Tevez going into the net... Same thing in Athens with Tevez to Morata, in the first half. Just a pair of examples. Really not difficult to notice. Or the mistakes of Lichtsteiner 2 meters from the net against Malmo... I go by memory. Impossible to see those things in the league).

 

[Hydde]

About the last 15 years.... i think we also need to take in consideration not only the squad quality, but the coaches.

In the first Lippi stint, we ere in our golden years and were the most consistent side in CL, gaining a reputation that we still enjoy, albeit much less and i dont know for how long.

Ancelotti pre Milan was touted as a loser compared to Lippi, and struggled a lot with a quality team

Then Lippi came again and we did our last positive run in 2003.

After that , things started going downhill. Capello (overrated coach IMO) came with his boring 442 catenaccio (even with players like Camo, Dp, Nedved and Zlatan in the team!!!!!)...

then calciopoli attacked

Deschamps did fairly well in serie B.

And then after him we witnessed a parade of bad management and dubious italian coaches until Conte came. The rest is history until now..

In summary, apart from Lippi , in the last 15 years the quality of our coaches has been abysmal. I think it can count too in how we have failed in the CL runs. After calciopoli we coudnt expect much.... but i think that now it is already time to improve in this category.

 

[Hydde]

About the last 15 years.... i think we also need to take in consideration not only the squad quality, but the coaches.

In the first Lippi stint, we ere in our golden years and were the most consistent side in CL, gaining a reputation that we still enjoy, albeit much less and i dont know for how long.

Ancelotti pre Milan was touted as a loser compared to Lippi, and struggled a lot with a quality team

Then Lippi came again and we did our last positive run in 2003.

After that , things started going downhill. Capello (overrated coach IMO) came with his boring 442 catenaccio (even with players like Camo, Dp, Nedved and Zlatan in the team!!!!!)...

then calciopoli attacked

Deschamps did fairly well in serie B.

And then after him we witnessed a parade of bad management and dubious italian coaches until Conte came. The rest is history until now..

In summary, apart from Lippi , in the last 15 years the quality of our coaches has been abysmal. I think it can count too in how we have failed in the CL runs. After calciopoli we coudnt expect much.... but i think that now it is already time to improve in this category.

 

[DelPieroJuve]

We need a forein coach who is going to rejevenate the squad and play a fast paced tempo game. i would like a dutch coach like Ronald Koeman or Frank Rijkaard

 

[DelPieroJuve]

We need a forein coach who is going to rejevenate the squad and play a fast paced tempo game. i would like a dutch coach like Ronald Koeman or Frank Rijkaard

 

[Adrian]

I think the CL issue comes down to tactics and mentality. The tactics clearly don't work against good solid teams in Europe who know how to defend well and also attack well on the counter. As soon as Allegri makes changes during games and bring on players like giovinco and has more than just the CF and Tevez upfront, we do actually look dangerous and create more chances.

I don't believe we don't have good enough players to make it past the group stages. And this year we actually have players on bench who can come on and make that difference and we have good cover. We have Morata, Pereyra, Evra, Coman...plus giovinco has stepped up, Marchisio has gone up another level, Ogbonna and Caceres have been good as well. Last season we didn't have this.

so we have the squad, but the coach is stubborn.

The mental side of stems from not winning...the more we lose these games 1-0, the more the pressure builds up and they can't get that monkey off their back.

 

[Adrian]

I think the CL issue comes down to tactics and mentality. The tactics clearly don't work against good solid teams in Europe who know how to defend well and also attack well on the counter. As soon as Allegri makes changes during games and bring on players like giovinco and has more than just the CF and Tevez upfront, we do actually look dangerous and create more chances.

I don't believe we don't have good enough players to make it past the group stages. And this year we actually have players on bench who can come on and make that difference and we have good cover. We have Morata, Pereyra, Evra, Coman...plus giovinco has stepped up, Marchisio has gone up another level, Ogbonna and Caceres have been good as well. Last season we didn't have this.

so we have the squad, but the coach is stubborn.

The mental side of stems from not winning...the more we lose these games 1-0, the more the pressure builds up and they can't get that monkey off their back.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think the CL issue comes down to tactics and mentality. The tactics clearly don't work against good solid teams in Europe who know how to defend well and also attack well on the counter. As soon as Allegri makes changes during games and bring on players like giovinco and has more than just the CF and Tevez upfront, we do actually look dangerous and create more chances.

I don't believe we don't have good enough players to make it past the group stages. And this year we actually have players on bench who can come on and make that difference and we have good cover. We have Morata, Pereyra, Evra, Coman...plus giovinco has stepped up, Marchisio has gone up another level, Ogbonna and Caceres have been good as well. Last season we didn't have this.

so we have the squad, but the coach is stubborn.

The mental side of stems from not winning...the more we lose these games 1-0, the more the pressure builds up and they can't get that monkey off their back.

agree to a certain point, i mean as anemic as we were we conceded on a counter and we spent most of the game in their half, like you said the problem lay in lack of tactic in the final third, but even then we had a few good really chances and i think the mental side was the most detrimental.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think the CL issue comes down to tactics and mentality. The tactics clearly don't work against good solid teams in Europe who know how to defend well and also attack well on the counter. As soon as Allegri makes changes during games and bring on players like giovinco and has more than just the CF and Tevez upfront, we do actually look dangerous and create more chances.

I don't believe we don't have good enough players to make it past the group stages. And this year we actually have players on bench who can come on and make that difference and we have good cover. We have Morata, Pereyra, Evra, Coman...plus giovinco has stepped up, Marchisio has gone up another level, Ogbonna and Caceres have been good as well. Last season we didn't have this.

so we have the squad, but the coach is stubborn.

The mental side of stems from not winning...the more we lose these games 1-0, the more the pressure builds up and they can't get that monkey off their back.

agree to a certain point, i mean as anemic as we were we conceded on a counter and we spent most of the game in their half, like you said the problem lay in lack of tactic in the final third, but even then we had a few good really chances and i think the mental side was the most detrimental.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

About the last 15 years.... i think we also need to take in consideration not only the squad quality, but the coaches.

In the first Lippi stint, we ere in our golden years and were the most consistent side in CL, gaining a reputation that we still enjoy, albeit much less and i dont know for how long.

Ancelotti pre Milan was touted as a loser compared to Lippi, and struggled a lot with a quality team

Then Lippi came again and we did our last positive run in 2003.

After that , things started going downhill. Capello (overrated coach IMO) came with his boring 442 catenaccio (even with players like Camo, Dp, Nedved and Zlatan in the team!!!!!)...

then calciopoli attacked

Deschamps did fairly well in serie B.

And then after him we witnessed a parade of bad management and dubious italian coaches until Conte came. The rest is history until now..

In summary, apart from Lippi , in the last 15 years the quality of our coaches has been abysmal. I think it can count too in how we have failed in the CL runs. After calciopoli we coudnt expect much.... but i think that now it is already time to improve in this category.

We actually done fairly well in the CL with Ranieri in charge. Played some decent football, and were quite unlucky to lose to Chelsea in the round of 16. That was a terribly average team, which was carried by our glorious veterans Buffon, Camo, Neddy, Trez and DP.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

About the last 15 years.... i think we also need to take in consideration not only the squad quality, but the coaches.

In the first Lippi stint, we ere in our golden years and were the most consistent side in CL, gaining a reputation that we still enjoy, albeit much less and i dont know for how long.

Ancelotti pre Milan was touted as a loser compared to Lippi, and struggled a lot with a quality team

Then Lippi came again and we did our last positive run in 2003.

After that , things started going downhill. Capello (overrated coach IMO) came with his boring 442 catenaccio (even with players like Camo, Dp, Nedved and Zlatan in the team!!!!!)...

then calciopoli attacked

Deschamps did fairly well in serie B.

And then after him we witnessed a parade of bad management and dubious italian coaches until Conte came. The rest is history until now..

In summary, apart from Lippi , in the last 15 years the quality of our coaches has been abysmal. I think it can count too in how we have failed in the CL runs. After calciopoli we coudnt expect much.... but i think that now it is already time to improve in this category.

We actually done fairly well in the CL with Ranieri in charge. Played some decent football, and were quite unlucky to lose to Chelsea in the round of 16. That was a terribly average team, which was carried by our glorious veterans Buffon, Camo, Neddy, Trez and DP.

 

[AOD4]

About the last 15 years.... i think we also need to take in consideration not only the squad quality, but the coaches.

In the first Lippi stint, we ere in our golden years and were the most consistent side in CL, gaining a reputation that we still enjoy, albeit much less and i dont know for how long.

Ancelotti pre Milan was touted as a loser compared to Lippi, and struggled a lot with a quality team

Then Lippi came again and we did our last positive run in 2003.

After that , things started going downhill. Capello (overrated coach IMO) came with his boring 442 catenaccio (even with players like Camo, Dp, Nedved and Zlatan in the team!!!!!)...

then calciopoli attacked

Deschamps did fairly well in serie B.

And then after him we witnessed a parade of bad management and dubious italian coaches until Conte came. The rest is history until now..

In summary, apart from Lippi , in the last 15 years the quality of our coaches has been abysmal. I think it can count too in how we have failed in the CL runs. After calciopoli we coudnt expect much.... but i think that now it is already time to improve in this category.

You forgot Conte? The guy who thinks Juventus has no history before he came and single handedly became the savior. Gave us the invincible and record 102 points in Serie A.
The amount of gloating he made in Serie A surely made the fans expectation on CL to be in a top 8 is reasonable.