Massimiliano Allegri (122 Viewers)
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I was/am a Conte fan, but I have to admit that his intensity was a double edged sword. Even as a coach, in hindsight, we were always on edge because of decisions made by him. And when I think about it, his Juve background only came handy because it made him take the reigns of the club when we were down shit street, and I am forever grateful that he took us where he did. But if his Juve background meant anything more, he certainly wouldn't have left the way he did. I think he saw the team like a fan at times, and that isn't necessarily a good thing. Allegri's non-Juve background in many ways seems more a positive coz he doesn't feel cowed by any sort of pressure and he's able to transmit that to the players. It's almost tangible when you see them play in the CL. No individual errors, confidence, movement.
Both coaches have their grey areas. But for now it's unfair to compare. That's my take on this whole Allegri vs Conte battle, and Im pretty sure nobody in their right mind can begrudge Conte for how he achieved the things he did. Unprecedented stuff pretty much.
Both coaches have their grey areas. But for now it's unfair to compare. That's my take on this whole Allegri vs Conte battle, and Im pretty sure nobody in their right mind can begrudge Conte for how he achieved the things he did. Unprecedented stuff pretty much.
What are you talking about. He also knocked out Arsenal in Rof16 with Milan. He took Milan out of group stage every single year he was there. 4 years straight. He managed to beat an in-form Dortmund (undefeated in league in 7 matches now - 5wins - 2 losses) in Rof16 this year.
Conte got knocked out of a group by Gala. His crowning achievement was beating Celtic in Rof16 and then getting utterly smashed by Bayern.
Even if Juve loses to Monaco... Allegri still has the far better European record. It's not even close.
Conte got knocked out of a group by Gala. His crowning achievement was beating Celtic in Rof16 and then getting utterly smashed by Bayern.
Even if Juve loses to Monaco... Allegri still has the far better European record. It's not even close.
Though you could argue, those are the two most likely clubs a coach would win the Scudetto with. Inter on the other hand.. 
You could also argue that Juve and Milan are the most pressure packed scenarios in Italy, and it takes a certain kind of coach to be able to handle it.
Really? Lol fucking one of the funniest things I've ever seen on this forum. Can't believe some two-bit Ghanaian gossip website actually reported it 
Well, it just proves that 'school's for fools'. Getting a degree made me miss that golden moment. Let this be a warning for everyone who considers education.
Hardly blame Conte for getting knocked out to bayern with the team Conte had, he had Vucinic and matri leading the lines ffs. Even today's Juve team would find it difficult to break bayern down, yet lets not discredit our performance against real madrid last season, individual mistakes cost us the win (Caceres and Chiellini) and not poor preparation or bad decision making.
That gala performance is so taken out of context considering we were in complete control of that game before the snow came down, external factors really went against us and it would be unfair to place the blame solely on Conte for that. As for celtic again we got the draw we wanted right? we beat them right?
That gala performance is so taken out of context considering we were in complete control of that game before the snow came down, external factors really went against us and it would be unfair to place the blame solely on Conte for that. As for celtic again we got the draw we wanted right? we beat them right?
You could also say that if Thiago Silva doesn't get injured and miss the last 9 games of 2011-2012, Milan doesn't concede so many goals, and lose the scudetto to Conte.
You could also say that if Milan doesn't sell Silva and Ibra to balance the books and not do anything to replace them, Allegri's record as manager there might have been far better.
Conte was given reinforcements and a better squad each year he was manager at Juventus. Allegri had his team sold out from under him by his management. We'll see how Allegri does here with a management that hopefully won't sell his best players each summer.
You could also say that if Milan doesn't sell Silva and Ibra to balance the books and not do anything to replace them, Allegri's record as manager there might have been far better.
Conte was given reinforcements and a better squad each year he was manager at Juventus. Allegri had his team sold out from under him by his management. We'll see how Allegri does here with a management that hopefully won't sell his best players each summer.
If you go at the very beggining of this thread you'll find the same reasoning, but people still went balistic over his appointment. Matter of a fact is that Allegri was always pretty underrated coach, definitely did overachieve with mediocre Milan side in his penultimate season, without any backing from the mgt. While Conte was given Vidal, tevez, Pogba, or Licht, Milan's mgt continually sold their best players only to replace them with the likes of Traore or Acerbi. Ridiculous.
I completely discredit our performances against Madrid last year. We lost away, and we drew at home. Individual mistakes often happen because players can't deal with the pressure of big game situations. Also, Cacares mistake, Conte was the one who shouted at him to make that back pass. That's entirely on Conte. COnte was the one who managed to draw Copenhagen and Nordj. Allegri beat Malmo both home and away. He crushed Dortmund away in a match with huge pressure on him. Conte would have played for the 0-0 and lost.
Conte quite Juve, as you made clear in the posts Hust showed, because management had no ambition. Because he could go no further with this squad and the type of transfers we were making. What a joke. Allegri has already proved that Conte was talking out his ass. Allegri has managed to use Tevez properly in Europe by allowing him more freedom, rather than having him play off Llorente, and look at him tearing up CL now.
Allegri > Conte
That's entirely on Conte. COnte was the one who managed to draw Copenhagen and Nordj. Allegri beat Malmo both home and away. He crushed Dortmund away in a match with huge pressure on him. Conte would have played for the 0-0 and lost. Conte quite Juve, as you made clear in the posts Hust showed, because management had no ambition. Because he could go no further with this squad and the type of transfers we were making. What a joke. Allegri has already proved that Conte was talking out his ass. Allegri has managed to use Tevez properly in Europe by allowing him more freedom, rather than having him play off Llorente, and look at him tearing up CL now.
Allegri > Conte
I completely discredit our performances against Madrid last year. We lost away, and we drew at home. Individual mistakes often happen because players can't deal with the pressure of big game situations. Also, Cacares mistake, Conte was the one who shouted at him to make that back pass. That's entirely on Conte. COnte was the one who managed to draw Copenhagen and Nordj. Allegri beat Malmo both home and away. He crushed Dortmund away in a match with huge pressure on him. Conte would have played for the 0-0 and lost.
Conte quite Juve, as you made clear in the posts Hust showed, because management had no ambition. Because he could go no further with this squad and the type of transfers we were making. What a joke. Allegri has already proved that Conte was talking out his ass. Allegri has managed to use Tevez properly in Europe by allowing him more freedom, rather than having him play off Llorente, and look at him tearing up CL now.
Allegri > Conte
That's entirely on Conte. COnte was the one who managed to draw Copenhagen and Nordj. Allegri beat Malmo both home and away. He crushed Dortmund away in a match with huge pressure on him. Conte would have played for the 0-0 and lost. Conte quite Juve, as you made clear in the posts Hust showed, because management had no ambition. Because he could go no further with this squad and the type of transfers we were making. What a joke. Allegri has already proved that Conte was talking out his ass. Allegri has managed to use Tevez properly in Europe by allowing him more freedom, rather than having him play off Llorente, and look at him tearing up CL now.
Allegri > Conte
The management gave Conte: Vucinic, Pirlo, Vidal, Lichtsteiner, Asamoah, Pogba, Tevez, Llorente over his tenure at Juve. 8 starting XI players brought in over 3 years. 7 of them were starting XI in Conte's last season here. How Badass can think the management didn't support Conte is beyond me. They massively improved our starting XI every single summer he was here. Allegri came here the year our management brought in the least, and look how well he is succeeding all the same, by utilizing and developing two young players, and a "washed-up" Evra.
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And Conte threw a hissy fit that his transfer wish list wasn't being fulfilled with 30-40 mil players being bought, and seemed to think Morata and Pereyra weren't good enough for Juve.
How stupid of him.
Allegri has managed to integrate both into the starting XI and improve the team, alongside changing formation.