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Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,623
I was/am a Conte fan, but I have to admit that his intensity was a double edged sword. Even as a coach, in hindsight, we were always on edge because of decisions made by him. And when I think about it, his Juve background only came handy because it made him take the reigns of the club when we were down $#@! street, and I am forever grateful that he took us where he did. But if his Juve background meant anything more, he certainly wouldn't have left the way he did. I think he saw the team like a fan at times, and that isn't necessarily a good thing. Allegri's non-Juve background in many ways seems more a positive coz he doesn't feel cowed by any sort of pressure and he's able to transmit that to the players. It's almost tangible when you see them play in the CL. No individual errors, confidence, movement.

Both coaches have their grey areas. But for now it's unfair to compare. That's my take on this whole Allegri vs Conte battle, and Im pretty sure nobody in their right mind can begrudge Conte for how he achieved the things he did. Unprecedented stuff pretty much.
I agree with you on all but the bolded area. The second leg against Dortmund is the only game where we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot out of nervousness.
 

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JuveID

Allegri and Beppe Mania
Feb 5, 2015
1,113
This comparison never have ending even allegri win UCL this season :lol:

If allegri won CL, conte defenders would talk like conte do not have player like morata who can counter the oppiset.
 

JuveID

Allegri and Beppe Mania
Feb 5, 2015
1,113
Or that Conte didn't have the mighty versatile midfielder Pereyra.
So true.

Good season for allegri ---> because of ibrahimovic, flamini, oldorf, oldambrotta, inzagold, silva, morata, pereyra, tevez , padoin, ogbonna, coman etc. Without that players, they doubt allegri succes.
Good season for conte ---- because of conte, he turned hopeless player like buffon barzagli chiellini litchsteiner vidal pirlo marchi to be world class player. Without conte, we could not achieve something like this.

Yaa... Always something like that.
Maybe if allegri won ucl this season ( i doubt but i hope ) , they would come and tell you something like that.

I do not know why is so hard to just say "allegri did spectaculer this season "
Or " allegri turn newbie like morata or un-needed player like pereyra to be very important player."
Or something else.
 

StuCazzo

Wing Specialist
May 30, 2009
124
Under conte, tevez was struggling in Europe but still good in serie a. Under Max, he has been a real driving force and racking up goals in the cl and serie a. There is more free football with Max than Conte. BUT, when there was a drop of intensity or slacking, Conte was on top.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,990
Ill never forgive us for not reaching that Europa league final in our home. I thought we were destines for that... but blew it away with 2 very bad games....

It still annoys me. It would have been magical.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
Ill never forgive us for not reaching that Europa league final in our home. I thought we were destines for that... but blew it away with 2 very bad games....

It still annoys me. It would have been magical.
Don't really think that qualifies as "magical". The 2012 season was magical. Winning the CL in our stadium would be magical. Hell, winning CL at all the next two season would be magical. The EL is just too small a competition for winning it to be anything magical for a club like Juve.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,823
Don't really think that qualifies as "magical". The 2012 season was magical. Winning the CL in our stadium would be magical. Hell, winning CL at all the next two season would be magical. The EL is just too small a competition for winning it to be anything magical for a club like Juve.
It's still a European trophy, it would have been great for us to win it and would have us stand alone as the most successful club in the competition.
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,324
This, not even seriously trying to get into european final that would have been held on our home was in reality can be considered an insult to the club, especially given that that was just 2nd class competition against so called fellow 10 euros clubs :sergio:
That's exactly it - how many clubs dream of winning a European trophy in their own stadium? All of them! If we considered the Europa League to have been so far below our level we wouldn't have let them host the final in our home in the first place.

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Don't really think that qualifies as "magical". The 2012 season was magical. Winning the CL in our stadium would be magical. Hell, winning CL at all the next two season would be magical. The EL is just too small a competition for winning it to be anything magical for a club like Juve.
That's the kind of attitude which has left us with only 3 CL spots in Serie A. Before recent events in the Calciopoli trials we were all happy to see so many Italian clubs in the latter stages of the EL. Why? Because having clubs go far in Europe gives our league Coefficient points and prestige. Last year that was us.

I understand what you mean - it's not quite on par with winning a Champions League but dude - seeing Buffon lifting a European Trophy in our own stadium...that opportunity doesn't come along too often and for me that would have been very very special.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
That's the kind of attitude which has left us with only 3 CL spots in Serie A. Before recent events in the Calciopoli trials we were all happy to see so many Italian clubs in the latter stages of the EL. Why? Because having clubs go far in Europe gives our league Coefficient points and prestige. Last year that was us.

I understand what you mean - it's not quite on par with winning a Champions League but dude - seeing Buffon lifting a European Trophy in our own stadium...that opportunity doesn't come along too often and for me that would have been very very special.
Oh come on, Sure it would have been great, but magical implies something truly special. Something that would really stand out even a decade later.

I would have loved for us to win it, but it wouldn't have been magical by any means.
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,324
Oh come on, Sure it would have been great, but magical implies something truly special. Something that would really stand out even a decade later.

I would have loved for us to win it, but it wouldn't have been magical by any means.
Ok I get your point :D

I think we'd have been seeing clips and photos of it after a decade though.
 

Pirlo's Beard

Junkie Joe Joyce
Oct 2, 2013
11,411
The fact we were in the Europa league due to failing in the CL just makes me automatically associate that EL campaign with being embarrassed and a European laughing stock.


Seeing us lift the trophy should have been the least we done, but even looking back on a final 'success' would be cringe worthy, i'm happy we can just pass the season off as a European disaster and forget about it.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,990
Any european trophy is good for us. We are european chokers and also we are in no positón to be saying "who wants EL? we want the CL!".

That season, europa league was OUR level. As we played some really shitty footie and got kicked out of the CL deservedly.

Winning the EL would have given us notoriety and the fans would have been happy even after the CL deable. In fact, maybe even Conte would have redeemed and no one would be pointing at him for failing in the group phase. Not to mention we would have played against real madrid in the súper cup, and that game would have been witnessed by many, which is good for the brand.

Obvs the EL was the result of our failure, and i dont care much about that comp anyways.... but hey... the final was in our stadium and we were 2 games away of making it and have the chance to lift an euro trophy in oru stadium, which is something very very rare for any club.

We should have never underestimated that competition, and even less for the sale of some silla récord points. in serie A
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,064
Any european trophy is good for us. We are european chokers and also we are in no positón to be saying "who wants EL? we want the CL!".

That season, europa league was OUR level. As we played some really shitty footie and got kicked out of the CL deservedly.

Winning the EL would have given us notoriety and the fans would have been happy even after the CL deable. In fact, maybe even Conte would have redeemed and no one would be pointing at him for failing in the group phase. Not to mention we would have played against real madrid in the súper cup, and that game would have been witnessed by many, which is good for the brand.

Obvs the EL was the result of our failure, and i dont care much about that comp anyways.... but hey... the final was in our stadium and we were 2 games away of making it and have the chance to lift an euro trophy in oru stadium, which is something very very rare for any club.

We should have never underestimated that competition, and even less for the sale of some silla récord points. in serie A
This.

Our priority should have been lifting the EL trophy, more so since the final was being played on our stadium and we haven't won any European trophy for the last 18 years. I fully enjoy our Serie A titles, but winning the league with 104 or 84 pts doesn't make much of a difference to me.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
We're Champion's League chokers. That's it. Not European chokers in the slightest. We're tied for the most wins of Europa/UEFA Cup with 3. 3 trophies, 1 finals loss. We're tied for 4th most UEFA competitions won all-time.

Our choking in Europe in strictly limited to CL. In other European competition finals, we're something like 5 wins-1 loss. If you include UEFA supercup, it's 7 wins-1 loss in European finals outside of CL.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,990
We're Champion's League chokers. That's it. Not European chokers in the slightest. We're tied for the most wins of Europa/UEFA Cup with 3. 3 trophies, 1 finals loss. We're tied for 4th most UEFA competitions won all-time.

Our choking in Europe in strictly limited to CL. In other European competition finals, we're something like 5 wins-1 loss. If you include UEFA supercup, it's 7 wins-1 loss in European finals outside of CL.
We choke hardcore in CL, which the most prestigious cup. But my point is that after 2003, we have been in the wilderness just too much. At this point, ANYTHING that could lift our image and put our name in the spotlight is very welcome, as we need it so much.

In the past, the name Juventus was inmensa in the CL and in eruope, very well r4espected. Now, plastic fans around the wolrd just see barca madrid, manchester..
It even pains me to see young dudes in my country, frantically talking about Chelsea and Manchester city like if they were the shid....when in our times everyone was talking about Juve and Baggio and Zidane and DP.

The Juve brand has been damaged a lot, making it not as releveant. Most peeps who doesnt know much about football,,just now juve as a nostalgia team or some shid like that. Things cannot continue like this.

Luckily for us, it seems that the winds in turin are starting to blow in the correct direction again..... but what i want to say is that we should have not underestimated the trophy and choked so hard, more now that we need all the help possible to lift the juve brand and italy.
 

samfisher5

Junior Member
Jan 30, 2013
235
Any european trophy is good for us. We are european chokers and also we are in no positón to be saying "who wants EL? we want the CL!".

That season, europa league was OUR level. As we played some really $#@!ty footie and got kicked out of the CL deservedly.

Winning the EL would have given us notoriety and the fans would have been happy even after the CL deable. In fact, maybe even Conte would have redeemed and no one would be pointing at him for failing in the group phase. Not to mention we would have played against real madrid in the súper cup, and that game would have been witnessed by many, which is good for the brand.

Obvs the EL was the result of our failure, and i dont care much about that comp anyways.... but hey... the final was in our stadium and we were 2 games away of making it and have the chance to lift an euro trophy in oru stadium, which is something very very rare for any club.

We should have never underestimated that competition, and even less for the sale of some silla récord points. in serie A
Who says we underestimated EL? Conte simply wasn;t good enough to bring us European success.
 

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