Massimiliano Allegri (205 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

Oh, I've seen that quite a lot to be honest.

Let me rephrase that then. I haven't said it. I called our mercato this summer a 5/10 and said it was mediocre to crap. I think Marotta made the transition too severe by catering to Vidal's wish to leave without finding a replacement.

But it still doesn't change the fact that Marotta has done a fantastic job over the past 5 years. There's no argument against that. If he was doing a poor job, we wouldn't have had the incredible results we have. And for the future, who knows, but at least for this season he deserves the benefit of the doubt. As does Allegri.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

allegri saying too much pressure...well what does he expect, he coaches and the players play for juventus. It comes with the territory

says it all right there.

 

[Hust]

well if you call getting 1 point out of 3 games against minnows whilst struggling to score in the process not pussy football i dont know what is.

but hey just keep telling yourself we had 60% possession today nothing to worry about...

Man

Its 3 games with a new team dude. Not to mention injured players coming back...

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says it all right there.

What does it say, baddass? Tell us.


Because apparently in your world only players that don't understand pressure can play for Juventus.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

and you're not one bit worried? not even talking about results but how we've played... you clearly didn't watch the game tonight, and I'm not talking minute by minute text updates

 

[Hust]

yes well unsurprisingly I still don't see how you rated marco motta not too long ago but oh well

I thought we weren't allowed to bring up the past?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I thought we weren't allowed to bring up the past?

you're the expert on that, it is all you ever fucking drone out these days

 

[JCK]

Let me rephrase that then. I haven't said it. I called our mercato this summer a 5/10 and said it was mediocre to crap. I think Marotta made the transition too severe by catering to Vidal's wish to leave without finding a replacement.

But it still doesn't change the fact that Marotta has done a fantastic job over the past 5 years. There's no argument against that. If he was doing a poor job, we wouldn't have had the incredible results we have. And for the future, who knows, but at least for this season he deserves the benefit of the doubt. As does Allegri.

I am with you on that but you simply cannot go holding your previous success and reminding the fans what you have done while at the same time you are not living up to the expectations. The point remains is that if this season contintues in this failure that we are living, the entire blame will fall on Allegri and some of the players and Marotta will remain untouchable. Partly because of previous success and partly because he made an overhaul in reducing the average age and the wage bill. Something that could have been done in a more controlled manner with much less damage.

 

[Hust]

and you're not one bit worried? not even talking about results but how we've played... you clearly didn't watch the game tonight, and I'm not talking minute by minute text updates

Yes, I watched all 3 games Badass. And no, I'm not worried yet. I have enough common sense to know that its going to take a bit of time for Allegri to get this team clicking.

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you're the expert on that, it is all you ever fucking drone out these days

I know I'm the expert on it. In fact, doing it to you for the last two seasons has made me pretty fucking good at it while making you look like a fool over and over again.

 

[s4tch]

Vs Chievo - we had 26 shots and 66.7% possession.
vs Udinese - we had 21 shots and 65.5% possession.

last year's inter produced similar stats against mid-table teams. we can always find positives after any match, but let's face it: it was right about time to start winning, and we played like no juventus in the last 4 years. we have no team, no midfield, no sinergy between the players, no deadly finisher, and we concede at the 1st shot aimed at our goal. that's still our team, but let's not pretend that we are not a shadow of what we've been 4 months ago.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I am with you on that but you simply cannot go holding your previous success and reminding the fans what you have done while at the same time you are not living up to the expectations. The point remains is that if this season contintues in this failure that we are living, the entire blame will fall on Allegri and some of the players and Marotta will remain untouchable. Partly because of previous success and partly because he made an overhaul in reducing the average age and the wage bill. Something that could have been done in a more controlled manner with much less damage.

Perhaps Allegri will say the season starts next week...

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Yes, I watched all 3 games Badass. And no, I'm not worried yet. I have enough common sense to know that its going to take a bit of time for Allegri to get this team clicking.

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I know I'm the expert on it. In fact, doing it to you for the last two seasons has made me pretty fucking good at it while making you look like a fool over and over again.

please remind me again how amazingly well we are doing this season?

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last year's inter produced similar stats against mid-table teams. we can always find positives after any match, but let's face it: it was right about time to start winning, and we played like no juventus in the last 4 years. we have no team, no midfield, no sinergy between the players, no deadly finisher, and we concede at the 1st shot aimed at our goal. that's still our team, but let's not pretend that we are not a shadow of what we've been 4 months ago.

oh but we must never forget what marotta and co have done in the last few years, we'll be fine apparently, we can catch up on lost ground with ease apparently, we are Juventus apparently..

 

[Hust]

please remind me again how amazingly well we are doing this season?

It.Just.Started.

What point are you even trying to make anymore? Were you even trying to make one?

I sorta stopped trying to take you seriously today after your insulting posts to Hernanes.

 

[Post Ironic]

I am with you on that but you simply cannot go holding your previous success and reminding the fans what you have done while at the same time you are not living up to the expectations. The point remains is that if this season contintues in this failure that we are living, the entire blame will fall on Allegri and some of the players and Marotta will remain untouchable. Partly because of previous success and partly because he made an overhaul in reducing the average age and the wage bill. Something that could have been done in a more controlled manner with much less damage.

This is exactly what I think. I think Allegri has been put into a pickle by Marotta in the sense that Marotta left it very very late after selling Vidal to wrap up our purchases in the transfer market. We had Alex Sandro, Cuadrado, Hernanes, who all figure to be important parts of this team, coming in after the season had already begun.

I honestly don't think we'll finish lower than 2nd, but even 3rd is managable as we'd be seeded in the CL playoffs and probably easily get in. As I said, if we finish in CL places and get out of group stage in CL this year, I'll be content with the both Allegri and Marotta having successfully navigated a very difficult transition. I won't be super happy to not win anything, but I'll accept that as a successful transition year.

If these things don't happen, then Allegri and Marotta need to share blame and need to figure out what exactly went wrong this year.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

It.Just.Started.

What point are you even trying to make anymore? Were you even trying to make one?

I sorta stopped trying to take you seriously today after your insulting posts to Hernanes.

oh I'm so flattered, sorry I can't relay the same respect, lost all seriousness in your posts a very long time ago

 

[Hust]

oh I'm so flattered, sorry I can't relay the same respect, lost all seriousness in your posts a very long time ago

Great. At least one of us still makes sense though.


Keep working on your next ban, BD.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

This is exactly what I think. I think Allegri has been put into a pickle by Marotta in the sense that Marotta left it very very late after selling Vidal to wrap up our purchases in the transfer market. We had Alex Sandro, Cuadrado, Hernanes, who all figure to be important parts of this team, coming in after the season had already begun.

I honestly don't think we'll finish lower than 2nd, but even 3rd is managable as we'd be seeded in the CL playoffs and probably easily get in. As I said, if we finish in CL places and get out of group stage in CL this year, I'll be content with the both Allegri and Marotta having successfully navigated a very difficult transition. I won't be super happy to not win anything, but I'll accept that as a successful transition year.

If these things don't happen, then Allegri and Marotta need to share blame and need to figure out what exactly went wrong this year.

They clearly won't, you could see throughout the summer how out of sync both Allegri and the management were. It will only be the same again the summer

 

[Hust]

This is exactly what I think. I think Allegri has been put into a pickle by Marotta in the sense that Marotta left it very very late after selling Vidal to wrap up our purchases in the transfer market. We had Alex Sandro, Cuadrado, Hernanes, who all figure to be important parts of this team, coming in after the season had already begun.

I honestly don't think we'll finish lower than 2nd, but even 3rd is managable as we'd be seeded in the CL playoffs and probably easily get in. As I said, if we finish in CL places and get out of group stage in CL this year, I'll be content with the both Allegri and Marotta having successfully navigated a very difficult transition. I won't be super happy to not win anything, but I'll accept that as a successful transition year.

If these things don't happen, then Allegri and Marotta need to share blame and need to figure out what exactly went wrong this year.

Pretty much what I've been saying. Neither one will be exempt nor will one be the sole person responsible.

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They clearly won't, you could see throughout the summer how out of sync both Allegri and the management were. It will only be the same again the summer

Clearly.


Love these predictions.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

predictions? they went into the summer mercato blindfolded and went trigger happy. No way did allegri get given the players or the type of players he needed, that won't change next summer because allegri will just accept what he is working with because that is in his nature and that is a fact, he proved that at milan and he's proving it this season.
How many times did marotta go back on his words this summer? hmm? talked about signing quality players, then later quantative players, then players of no particular character but a midfielder nonetheless

 

[Hust]

predictions? they went into the summer mercato blindfolded and went trigger happy. No way did allegri get given the players or the type of players he needed, that won't change next summer because allegri will just accept what he is working with because that is in his nature and that is a fact, he proved that at milan and he's proving it this season

Comparing the Milan team that tanked to ours. Only Badass can do it folks.

 

[Ocelot]

I am with you on that but you simply cannot go holding your previous success and reminding the fans what you have done while at the same time you are not living up to the expectations. The point remains is that if this season contintues in this failure that we are living, the entire blame will fall on Allegri and some of the players and Marotta will remain untouchable. Partly because of previous success and partly because he made an overhaul in reducing the average age and the wage bill. Something that could have been done in a more controlled manner with much less damage.

Both Marrotta and Allegri get a shitload of criticism already, and both will be crucified here if the season would be to continue in a similar fashion.

It's true that there are some members who choose to only, or almsot exclusively, blame one singular party, but as a whole both are faaaar from untouchable.

 

[Post Ironic]

They clearly won't, you could see throughout the summer how out of sync both Allegri and the management were. It will only be the same again the summer

Because one mediocre/poor mercato undoes the previous several years of success and means all mercatos for the forseeable future will be lousy... Get a grip. Be rational. Take some deep breaths. Understand that things aren't so starkly black and white, either this or that. There's a reasonable middle ground where one can recognize both positives and negatives, and see what there is to be positive about and what there is to be negative about.