Massimiliano Allegri (165 Viewers)
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Allegri is doing a very good job and I was definitely wrong about him.
When he took the job. The challenge was actually pretty difficult.
The Good:
1) Not letting the pressure affect him or the squad: He had the reputation of a flop from his tenure at a direct rival and was replacing a legendary coach, widely worshiped by fans and the players, who had achieved great things with the same squad. Everyone expected him to fail and the situation could have very well been a self-fulfilling prophecy. I certainly thought he would not be able to handle the pressure the same way Benitez couldn't when he cracked at Inter. Allegri rather had a great start and never gave the media or haters many chances to pile pressure on him. I think this is a HUGE achievement. Verdict: Success.
2) Motivation in Serie A: He was taking over a mature squad that has been winning for three consecutive years and he had to continue winning the very same title for the fourth time. Verdict: Success
3) Confidence in Europe: Taking over a squad that were mentally broken for a year and that had little faith in its ability to compete in Europe. If we pass Monaco and go out with a fight against a top team the verdict will be Success. This too would be a HUGE achievement.
4) Pirlo dependency: Pirlo has been the main creative force for the last three years and given his age there had to be an alternative plan to depending on him. He introduced the new formation and it has been a success. This too is a HUGE achievement.
5) Integrating new signings: Every coach faces that after a summer of buying and he had Evra, Pereyra and Morata to integrate. Verdict: Success.
6) Handling Injuries: while some might criticize him for injuring too many players, we don't have the kind of information to determine whether these injuries are as a result of worse training methods or staff than Conte's or just natural injuries. What we do have information for however is to determine how well he managed our performances given those injuries. Verdict: Success.
The Bad:
1) He has so far been unable to get Llorente and Vidal to perform anywhere close to their potential which we have all seen could be very substantial. Llorente doesnt fit with the tactics. Vidal however could either be a lacking of man-management skills from Allegri or just a lingering injury. We will know for sure next season.
2) Not winning the Super-Cup. However, if he wins coppa-italia i'll be more than satisfied.
This is my assessment and I doubt it will change until the end of the season. If we dont make it to the Semis then I'll take back #3 and I'll consider him as failing to fix the main problem he inherited from Conte. Eitherway, I'll give him an A with #3 and an A- without it. I'll leave the A+ for achieving the unthinkable which is win the CL.
My Assessment of Conte's tenure for the three seasons in that order is A+, A, B+
When he took the job. The challenge was actually pretty difficult.
The Good:
1) Not letting the pressure affect him or the squad: He had the reputation of a flop from his tenure at a direct rival and was replacing a legendary coach, widely worshiped by fans and the players, who had achieved great things with the same squad. Everyone expected him to fail and the situation could have very well been a self-fulfilling prophecy. I certainly thought he would not be able to handle the pressure the same way Benitez couldn't when he cracked at Inter. Allegri rather had a great start and never gave the media or haters many chances to pile pressure on him. I think this is a HUGE achievement. Verdict: Success.
2) Motivation in Serie A: He was taking over a mature squad that has been winning for three consecutive years and he had to continue winning the very same title for the fourth time. Verdict: Success
3) Confidence in Europe: Taking over a squad that were mentally broken for a year and that had little faith in its ability to compete in Europe. If we pass Monaco and go out with a fight against a top team the verdict will be Success. This too would be a HUGE achievement.
4) Pirlo dependency: Pirlo has been the main creative force for the last three years and given his age there had to be an alternative plan to depending on him. He introduced the new formation and it has been a success. This too is a HUGE achievement.
5) Integrating new signings: Every coach faces that after a summer of buying and he had Evra, Pereyra and Morata to integrate. Verdict: Success.
6) Handling Injuries: while some might criticize him for injuring too many players, we don't have the kind of information to determine whether these injuries are as a result of worse training methods or staff than Conte's or just natural injuries. What we do have information for however is to determine how well he managed our performances given those injuries. Verdict: Success.
The Bad:
1) He has so far been unable to get Llorente and Vidal to perform anywhere close to their potential which we have all seen could be very substantial. Llorente doesnt fit with the tactics. Vidal however could either be a lacking of man-management skills from Allegri or just a lingering injury. We will know for sure next season.
2) Not winning the Super-Cup. However, if he wins coppa-italia i'll be more than satisfied.
This is my assessment and I doubt it will change until the end of the season. If we dont make it to the Semis then I'll take back #3 and I'll consider him as failing to fix the main problem he inherited from Conte. Eitherway, I'll give him an A with #3 and an A- without it. I'll leave the A+ for achieving the unthinkable which is win the CL.
My Assessment of Conte's tenure for the three seasons in that order is A+, A, B+
If you give Conte an A for his second season, there is absolutely no way this season of Allegri's can be less than an A, regardless of what happens against Monaco (assuming we don't get blown out). We're crushing the league by a bigger margin, we're in the Coppa Italia final (as opposed to getting knocked out in Semi's by a weak Lazio), and we're in the CL Quarterfinals after thoroughly destroying an in-form Dortmund (6 games unbeaten going into that match).
I'd give his first season an A, and if he had fielded a strong side and won the Coppa it would be an A+, just for the turnaround. Second season an A-/A, because our CL performance was quite impressive, considering our attack was led by Matri, Vuci, Gio, Quags. Third season was definitely no better than a B, more likely a B-/C+. I don't care what we did in Serie A, crashing out of CL group, failing to get EL final in our own stadium, scoring 1 goal over a two-leg tie with Benfica, crashing out in Coppa Italia quarters against Roma. Last season was a massive failure outside of the league.
I'd give his first season an A, and if he had fielded a strong side and won the Coppa it would be an A+, just for the turnaround. Second season an A-/A, because our CL performance was quite impressive, considering our attack was led by Matri, Vuci, Gio, Quags. Third season was definitely no better than a B, more likely a B-/C+. I don't care what we did in Serie A, crashing out of CL group, failing to get EL final in our own stadium, scoring 1 goal over a two-leg tie with Benfica, crashing out in Coppa Italia quarters against Roma. Last season was a massive failure outside of the league.
We mostly share the same sentiments just different standards.
I give Conte's first season an A+ because he did the unthinkable and won Serie A in the least season it had a proper competitor and unbeaten. I give his second season an A because he stabilized the winning formula and did everything that could be reasonably demanded from the side but nothing unthinkable. An unthinkable would be beating such a powerful Bayern and reaching the final or something. He Won the super-cup, retained Serie A and went as far as anyone can go in the CL with any squad leading a tough group and losing only to the best team in decades.
I find that quite close to what Allegri is doing here now. Expectedly winning Serie A, replaced the super-cup with coppa-italia and assuming we reach the semis his run in the CL is what you can reasonably expect from this squad. If we had met a giant in the previous round and lost I wouldnt have blamed allegri. It is perfectly reasonable to expect Juve to defeat Monaco. They are a small team and arent even doing a good job in France. Sure its called a semi-final but the road to that semi-final has been easy.
Beating Dortmund is nothing special since this is a team that has completely collapsed. We are more than favorites in this match. You try to embellish the win by saying they had 6 games unbeaten.. well we are on a 30 something games unbeaten and they were relegation battlers for God's sake. This Dortmund is crap and is no better than the Celtic or the Chelsea Conte thrashed in 2012. They are probably worse as neither was in such a collapse. We had more trouble against Olympiakos who are nobodies.
What I do take from the Dortmund game is the performance of the second leg. It was our first nerve-free complete performance against any team (big or small) in Europe. We didnt have such confident performances against the small Danish clubs since Bayern thrashed us. The second leg might very well be the performance we need to take the mental jump to the next level in Europe.
In any case we arent far in our evaluations.
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Llorente I think is suffering in the current game-plan and that then destroyed his confidence.
Vidal is a question mark. The partying issue alone is a red flag and makes me lean towards a lack of motivation followed by a lack of confidence. But its still a real possibility that its just the injury and the partying bit was just a coincidence.
I give Conte's first season an A+ because he did the unthinkable and won Serie A in the least season it had a proper competitor and unbeaten. I give his second season an A because he stabilized the winning formula and did everything that could be reasonably demanded from the side but nothing unthinkable. An unthinkable would be beating such a powerful Bayern and reaching the final or something. He Won the super-cup, retained Serie A and went as far as anyone can go in the CL with any squad leading a tough group and losing only to the best team in decades.
I find that quite close to what Allegri is doing here now. Expectedly winning Serie A, replaced the super-cup with coppa-italia and assuming we reach the semis his run in the CL is what you can reasonably expect from this squad. If we had met a giant in the previous round and lost I wouldnt have blamed allegri. It is perfectly reasonable to expect Juve to defeat Monaco. They are a small team and arent even doing a good job in France. Sure its called a semi-final but the road to that semi-final has been easy.
Beating Dortmund is nothing special since this is a team that has completely collapsed. We are more than favorites in this match. You try to embellish the win by saying they had 6 games unbeaten.. well we are on a 30 something games unbeaten and they were relegation battlers for God's sake. This Dortmund is crap and is no better than the Celtic or the Chelsea Conte thrashed in 2012. They are probably worse as neither was in such a collapse. We had more trouble against Olympiakos who are nobodies.
What I do take from the Dortmund game is the performance of the second leg. It was our first nerve-free complete performance against any team (big or small) in Europe. We didnt have such confident performances against the small Danish clubs since Bayern thrashed us. The second leg might very well be the performance we need to take the mental jump to the next level in Europe.
In any case we arent far in our evaluations.
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Llorente I think is suffering in the current game-plan and that then destroyed his confidence.
Vidal is a question mark. The partying issue alone is a red flag and makes me lean towards a lack of motivation followed by a lack of confidence. But its still a real possibility that its just the injury and the partying bit was just a coincidence.
I personally wont love him anymore but I'd be content. My expectations of him from the Milan days have been of a good but not great coach. Kind of like Mancini. He'll win if he has resources better by a good margin than the competitors. Nothing spectacular but never terrible either. He would achieve the minimum objectives for the seasons and thats about it. Conte started as spectacular, achieved the high objectives in the second and did the bare minimum in the third. If this is a trend then he'd have stabilized around the bare minimum. We will find out when he coaches somewhere else.
Allegri is having a shot at the spectacular now but I think he'll fall short of that. I think He'll reach the high objectives of the club on a regular basis and not just the minimum objectives the way someone like Mancini does. I think the only dark spot on his CV is 2011 and his last incomplete season at Milan. In 2011 he should have won the scudetto and in the last season he just couldnt keep Milan floating anymore. I appreciate his season before last when he had El shaarawy carry the team to a second half resurgence and clinched a CL spot. That was impressive.
Allegri is having a shot at the spectacular now but I think he'll fall short of that. I think He'll reach the high objectives of the club on a regular basis and not just the minimum objectives the way someone like Mancini does. I think the only dark spot on his CV is 2011 and his last incomplete season at Milan. In 2011 he should have won the scudetto and in the last season he just couldnt keep Milan floating anymore. I appreciate his season before last when he had El shaarawy carry the team to a second half resurgence and clinched a CL spot. That was impressive.
