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Im not sure what you mean. If your asking wether next year would be a failure if we don't win anything, then by all means yes. But would that mean Allegri is a failure ? I wouldn't say so. Conte managed a very hard accomplishment by bringing this team back to the top, but he still lacked some very important features in order to become a top manager. Allegri is a different kind of a coach. He is much better from a tactical point of view and he seems to know what hes doing (albiet most of the time) and he is less stubborn than Conte seems to be.
Im not sure what you mean. If your asking wether next year would be a failure if we don't win anything, then by all means yes. But would that mean Allegri is a failure ? I wouldn't say so. Conte managed a very hard accomplishment by bringing this team back to the top, but he still lacked some very important features in order to become a top manager. Allegri is a different kind of a coach. He is much better from a tactical point of view and he seems to know what hes doing (albiet most of the time) and he is less stubborn than Conte seems to be.
Disagree? Roma were building up, sure. Napoli haven't really changed all that much. Milan were forced to sell and once Ibra left that was it for them. Inter?
Sure, 3 trophies in a row is tough but we were the only club building a winning model. Our new stadium played a HUGE role in our performances as well.
Don't you think its odd how Conte dominated in Italy but in Europe couldn't cut it? The difference in these two competitions showed his weaknesses and inflexibility.
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The traditional argument, at least for me, was the difference in the coaches on the European level. I maintain that Italy is in a weak state at the moment and and half-decent coach given Juve would do fairly well. The issue for me is Conte more than had a strong enough team to do well in CL but his stubbornness with the 352 hurt us.
Sure, 3 trophies in a row is tough but we were the only club building a winning model. Our new stadium played a HUGE role in our performances as well.
Don't you think its odd how Conte dominated in Italy but in Europe couldn't cut it? The difference in these two competitions showed his weaknesses and inflexibility.
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The traditional argument, at least for me, was the difference in the coaches on the European level. I maintain that Italy is in a weak state at the moment and and half-decent coach given Juve would do fairly well. The issue for me is Conte more than had a strong enough team to do well in CL but his stubbornness with the 352 hurt us.
Disagree? Roma were building up, sure. Napoli haven't really changed all that much. Milan were forced to sell and once Ibra left that was it for them. Inter?
Sure, 3 trophies in a row is tough but we were the only club building a winning model. Our new stadium played a HUGE role in our performances as well.
Don't you think its odd how Conte dominated in Italy but in Europe couldn't cut it? The difference in these two competitions showed his weaknesses and inflexibility.
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The traditional argument, at least for me, was the difference in the coaches on the European level. I maintain that Italy is in a weak state at the moment and and half-decent coach given Juve would do fairly well. The issue for me is Conte more than had a strong enough team to do well in CL but his stubbornness with the 352 hurt us.
Sure, 3 trophies in a row is tough but we were the only club building a winning model. Our new stadium played a HUGE role in our performances as well.
Don't you think its odd how Conte dominated in Italy but in Europe couldn't cut it? The difference in these two competitions showed his weaknesses and inflexibility.
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The traditional argument, at least for me, was the difference in the coaches on the European level. I maintain that Italy is in a weak state at the moment and and half-decent coach given Juve would do fairly well. The issue for me is Conte more than had a strong enough team to do well in CL but his stubbornness with the 352 hurt us.
No I keep reading how Allegri is already better than Conte but I honestly don't see how and nobody has given a remotely valid reason other than "Allegri has dropped the 3-5-2" instead for example you mentioned if Allegri wins the league, reaches the next round of the CL and wins the Coppa he is already better than Conte? However people only seem to be comparing to Conte's achievement's last season and not over the course of his 3 year stint and all the records with it. People also seem to forget that Conte did take us as far as the quarter finals of the CL only to be knocked out by a fantastic bayern team which we had very little chance of beating considering the quality of our team that year. Achievements aside has Allegri really made this team any better? well for once he has a lot to thank for in Tevez but the true strength of our success under Conte was the Midfield and how we didn't solely rely on one player all the time like we seem to now with Tevez as everyone chipped in with goals thus we were somewhat unpredictable. Lets look at the midfield now under allegri, something is clearly not right and very unbalanced. It is easy to blame Pirlo's dip in form on his age but people said the same in his last years in milan, whilst Vidal is playing higher up the field - why? Whenever we have sat back on a lead we look nervous and almost like the team that will concede next rather than control the game the inter game being a prime example of that.
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dominate europe? yeah with the likes of Quagliarella, Vucinic, and Matri for 2 out of the 3 seasons? who's the blame for that? your beloved Marotta. You forget that we beat the defending european champs (chelsea) with that crappy front line and reached a CL quarter final only to lose to a very good bayern team - no shame in being knocked out by them, but you seem so overly concentrated on last seasons european campaign instead
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dominate europe? yeah with the likes of Quagliarella, Vucinic, and Matri for 2 out of the 3 seasons? who's the blame for that? your beloved Marotta. You forget that we beat the defending european champs (chelsea) with that crappy front line and reached a CL quarter final only to lose to a very good bayern team - no shame in being knocked out by them, but you seem so overly concentrated on last seasons european campaign instead
No I keep reading how Allegri is already better than Conte but I honestly don't see how and nobody has given a remotely valid reason other than "Allegri has dropped the 3-5-2" instead for example you mentioned if Allegri wins the league, reaches the next round of the CL and wins the Coppa he is already better than Conte? However people only seem to be comparing to Conte's achievement's last season and not over the course of his 3 year stint and all the records with it. People also seem to forget that Conte did take us as far as the quarter finals of the CL only to be knocked out by a fantastic bayern team which we had very little chance of beating considering the quality of our team that year. Achievements aside has Allegri really made this team any better? well for once he has a lot to thank for in Tevez but the true strength of our success under Conte was the Midfield and how we didn't solely rely on one player all the time like we seem to now with Tevez as everyone chipped in with goals thus we were somewhat unpredictable. Lets look at the midfield now under allegri, something is clearly not right and very unbalanced. It is easy to blame Pirlo's dip in form on his age but people said the same in his last years in milan, whilst Vidal is playing higher up the field - why? Whenever we have sat back on a lead we look nervous and almost like the team that will concede next rather than control the game the inter game being a prime example of that.
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dominate europe? yeah with the likes of Quagliarella, Vucinic, and Matri for 2 out of the 3 seasons? who's the blame for that? your beloved Marotta. You forget that we beat the defending european champs (chelsea) with that crappy front line and reached a CL quarter final only to lose to a very good bayern team - no shame in being knocked out by them, but you seem so overly concentrated on last seasons european campaign instead
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dominate europe? yeah with the likes of Quagliarella, Vucinic, and Matri for 2 out of the 3 seasons? who's the blame for that? your beloved Marotta. You forget that we beat the defending european champs (chelsea) with that crappy front line and reached a CL quarter final only to lose to a very good bayern team - no shame in being knocked out by them, but you seem so overly concentrated on last seasons european campaign instead
Well Conte beat Chelsea and Shakhtar. Both were very good teams back then (Chelsea got better, Shakhtar worse but that's not the case).
To me if Allegri advances against this weak Dortmund, only then I'll consider placing him near Conte when it comes to CL (only).
You're not fair though. He lost the supercup. We should have been +9pts ahead of Roma AT LEAST. I can live with a bore draw to Udinese (possible +11pts) in an away game, you can't win every match but not winning against this shitty Cesena is very embarrassing. Most of our players looked like amateurs or casual oldies with no will and ability to fight. You expect a much different approach the moment Roma slips. They're in horrible form right now and we're unable to benefit from it over and over again which could backfire easily. We can't keep letting Roma getting back to the title race through back door, especially with our game in Rome yet to be played.
Overall I don't like Allegri but I'm surprised he's doing so well (thus far), I expected much worse tbh. It doesn't change the fact he makes retarded decisions and doesn't seem to learn from them. Why Llorente lasted so long on the pitch is beyond me. Same goes for Pirlo who was simply horrible. Seeing it all he takes off Pogba for Pereyra which is laughable. Pogba and Morata were our only creative sources last night and he (Allegri) shoots himself in the leg. You never take off a player like Pogba when you need a goal. He tends to play average but one pass, one dribble or one shot of his can change everything. Licht also deserved to be taken off I doubt Padoin would get skinned so often and he'd surely put better crosses into the box.
To sum it up I'm quite satisfied with Allegri's job so far but he has to grow a pair and bench both Pirlo and Llorente for life. He doesn't have an easy task this season as we have quite many injuries and very thin attack. I'm thankful to him for dropping the ancient 352 and making our boys play some nice football which is more watchable than Conte's Juve but when it's needed he has to ruthless. It'd be a disaster to lose the scudetto to this shitty Roma who don't deserve it this season at all.
If he wins scudetto and gets past Dortmund I'll call him a success with clear mind though.
To me if Allegri advances against this weak Dortmund, only then I'll consider placing him near Conte when it comes to CL (only).
You're not fair though. He lost the supercup. We should have been +9pts ahead of Roma AT LEAST. I can live with a bore draw to Udinese (possible +11pts) in an away game, you can't win every match but not winning against this shitty Cesena is very embarrassing. Most of our players looked like amateurs or casual oldies with no will and ability to fight. You expect a much different approach the moment Roma slips. They're in horrible form right now and we're unable to benefit from it over and over again which could backfire easily. We can't keep letting Roma getting back to the title race through back door, especially with our game in Rome yet to be played.
Overall I don't like Allegri but I'm surprised he's doing so well (thus far), I expected much worse tbh. It doesn't change the fact he makes retarded decisions and doesn't seem to learn from them. Why Llorente lasted so long on the pitch is beyond me. Same goes for Pirlo who was simply horrible. Seeing it all he takes off Pogba for Pereyra which is laughable. Pogba and Morata were our only creative sources last night and he (Allegri) shoots himself in the leg. You never take off a player like Pogba when you need a goal. He tends to play average but one pass, one dribble or one shot of his can change everything. Licht also deserved to be taken off I doubt Padoin would get skinned so often and he'd surely put better crosses into the box.
To sum it up I'm quite satisfied with Allegri's job so far but he has to grow a pair and bench both Pirlo and Llorente for life. He doesn't have an easy task this season as we have quite many injuries and very thin attack. I'm thankful to him for dropping the ancient 352 and making our boys play some nice football which is more watchable than Conte's Juve but when it's needed he has to ruthless. It'd be a disaster to lose the scudetto to this shitty Roma who don't deserve it this season at all.
If he wins scudetto and gets past Dortmund I'll call him a success with clear mind though.
Well Conte beat Chelsea and Shakhtar. Both were very good teams back then (Chelsea got better, Shakhtar worse but that's not the case).
To me if Allegri advances against this weak Dortmund, only then I'll consider placing him near Conte when it comes to CL (only).
You're not fair though. He lost the supercup. We should have been +9pts ahead of Roma AT LEAST. I can live with a bore draw to Udinese (possible +11pts) in an away game, you can't win every match but not winning against this shitty Cesena is very embarrassing. Most of our players looked like amateurs or casual oldies with no will and ability to fight. You expect a much different approach the moment Roma slips. They're in horrible form right now and we're unable to benefit from it over and over again which could backfire easily. We can't keep letting Roma getting back to the title race through back door, especially with our game in Rome yet to be played.
Overall I don't like Allegri but I'm surprised he's doing so well (thus far), I expected much worse tbh. It doesn't change the fact he makes retarded decisions and doesn't seem to learn from them. Why Llorente lasted so long on the pitch is beyond me. Same goes for Pirlo who was simply horrible. Seeing it all he takes off Pogba for Pereyra which is laughable. Pogba and Morata were our only creative sources last night and he (Allegri) shoots himself in the leg. You never take off a player like Pogba when you need a goal. He tends to play average but one pass, one dribble or one shot of his can change everything. Licht also deserved to be taken off I doubt Padoin would get skinned so often and he'd surely put better crosses into the box.
To sum it up I'm quite satisfied with Allegri's job so far but he has to grow a pair and bench both Pirlo and Llorente for life. He doesn't have an easy task this season as we have quite many injuries and very thin attack. I'm thankful to him for dropping the ancient 352 and making our boys play some nice football which is more watchable than Conte's Juve but when it's needed he has to ruthless. It'd be a disaster to lose the scudetto to this shitty Roma who don't deserve it this season at all.
If he wins scudetto and gets past Dortmund I'll call him a success with clear mind though.
To me if Allegri advances against this weak Dortmund, only then I'll consider placing him near Conte when it comes to CL (only).
You're not fair though. He lost the supercup. We should have been +9pts ahead of Roma AT LEAST. I can live with a bore draw to Udinese (possible +11pts) in an away game, you can't win every match but not winning against this shitty Cesena is very embarrassing. Most of our players looked like amateurs or casual oldies with no will and ability to fight. You expect a much different approach the moment Roma slips. They're in horrible form right now and we're unable to benefit from it over and over again which could backfire easily. We can't keep letting Roma getting back to the title race through back door, especially with our game in Rome yet to be played.
Overall I don't like Allegri but I'm surprised he's doing so well (thus far), I expected much worse tbh. It doesn't change the fact he makes retarded decisions and doesn't seem to learn from them. Why Llorente lasted so long on the pitch is beyond me. Same goes for Pirlo who was simply horrible. Seeing it all he takes off Pogba for Pereyra which is laughable. Pogba and Morata were our only creative sources last night and he (Allegri) shoots himself in the leg. You never take off a player like Pogba when you need a goal. He tends to play average but one pass, one dribble or one shot of his can change everything. Licht also deserved to be taken off I doubt Padoin would get skinned so often and he'd surely put better crosses into the box.
To sum it up I'm quite satisfied with Allegri's job so far but he has to grow a pair and bench both Pirlo and Llorente for life. He doesn't have an easy task this season as we have quite many injuries and very thin attack. I'm thankful to him for dropping the ancient 352 and making our boys play some nice football which is more watchable than Conte's Juve but when it's needed he has to ruthless. It'd be a disaster to lose the scudetto to this shitty Roma who don't deserve it this season at all.
If he wins scudetto and gets past Dortmund I'll call him a success with clear mind though.
We were the underdogs in Europe playing with a new formation. Once teams figured out how to play against the 352 we were completely useless. First season in CL was a success but my money is because no one outside of Italy knew how to play us. But as all know how that turned out the following two season in the CL under Conte...our limitations were exploited and we were eliminated.
The fact we had 102 pt season shows how bad the league was in.
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No but if we played a better team than Celtic it would have been a different story and you know it.
Actually maybe you don't know it.
The fact we had 102 pt season shows how bad the league was in.
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oh I suppose that is Conte's fault we played Celtic 
hell lets just forget how he beat chelsea, shakhtar, earning a draw against the eventual winners last season - Real Madrid
hell lets just forget how he beat chelsea, shakhtar, earning a draw against the eventual winners last season - Real Madrid
Actually maybe you don't know it.
We were the underdogs in Europe playing with a new formation. Once teams figured out how to play against the 352 we were completely useless. First season in CL was a success but my money is because no one outside of Italy knew how to play us. But as all know how that turned out the following two season in the CL under Conte...our limitations were exploited and we were eliminated.
The fact we had 102 pt season shows how bad the league was in.
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No but if we played a better team than Celtic it would have been a different story and you know it.
Actually maybe you don't know it.
The fact we had 102 pt season shows how bad the league was in.
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oh I suppose that is Conte's fault we played Celtic
hell lets just forget how he beat chelsea, shakhtar, earning a draw against the eventual winners last season - Real Madrid
hell lets just forget how he beat chelsea, shakhtar, earning a draw against the eventual winners last season - Real Madrid
Actually maybe you don't know it.
