Massimiliano Allegri (235 Viewers)

[DAiDEViL]

Let this thread rest in peace you faggots.

That goes for both pro and anti Allegri. Tired of reading the same bullshit over and over again.

He gone, move on.

 

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[Lion]

Let this thread rest in peace you faggots.

That goes for both pro and anti Allegri. Tired of reading the same bullshit over and over again.

He gone, move on.

why? we are having a respectful discussion with no insults. it's only you who don't want anyone talking coming in insulting everyone. you need to be better man, you are much classier than this.

 

[DAiDEViL]

why? we are having a respectful discussion with no insults. it's only you who don't want anyone talking coming in insulting everyone. you need to be better man, you are much classier than this.

No I'm not.

 

[Ventus]

respectfully, i think you are ignoring reality of what happened.

higuain before joing juve had the following stats from each season 11-12 : 39 G +A. 12-13: 27 G+A. 13-14: 36 G+A. 14-15: 40 G+A. 15-16: 41 G+A. and in that 17 season he had: 36 G+A. that is absolutley world class performances for multiple seasons in a row.

dybala in 2015-16 had 36 g+A. and in that 17 season had 28 g+A season , in 17-18 he had 33 G+A. he was world class consistent.

no need to mention khedira a world cup winner. or dani alves the best right back of all time. or sandro who was top left back that time. bbc and buffon don't need mention.

Doesn't matter. None of these players are World Class. Except for Chiellini and Buffon. Dani Alves (yes) but we only had him for one year and at an old age. Khedira being a World Cup winner doesn't make him a world class player either. By that logic Gilardino and Iaquinta were world class for winning the World Cup. A World Class player is a player who is arguably the best in his position. We had a lot of B+ players.

Also, you avoided the question, please tell me 3 managers that achieved better with the teams that they had these past three decades?

94 - 2024 (30 years)

Including Lippi

1. Lippi
2. Allegri
3. Conte

Excluding Lippi
1. Allegri
2. Conte
3. Capello?

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Let this thread rest in peace you faggots.

That goes for both pro and anti Allegri. Tired of reading the same bullshit over and over again.

He gone, move on.

I don't even mind the criticism. Obviously his last stint left a sour taste, deservedly so, but I just hate the recent revisionist history. Go read this thread around May 2015, no one was accusing him of taking Conte's glory. In fact, I remember everyone mocking Conte, and we had to have his thread locked.
For the record, Conte by his own admission, infamously said "...you can’t enter a €100 restaurant with a €10 note." So by Conte's own admission, did not believe Juventus were good enough to compete in Europe.

 

[Fab Fragment]

But no one has answered my [hypothetical] question: could Max have been the catalyst for the 9-year cycle?

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Assuming we never had Conte but had Allegri from the get go

 

[Ventus]

But no one has answered my [hypothetical] question: could Max have been the catalyst for the 9-year cycle?

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Assuming we never had Conte but had Allegri from the get go

You're comparing a hypothetical question with many factors with a question with events that actually transpired. However I will answer it:

Assuming we hired Allegri in the summer of 2011, instead of Conte, then it would not be too farfetched to believe that we would have won the league.

Remember Allegri won the league with AC Milan back in 2011, for the first time in 7 years. Furthermore, many revisionists on here seem to forget that Allegri's Milan were Conte's greatest rivals in 2011-2012. In a way, Allegri revived Milan's hopes in the league after Milan had declined under Ancelotti and were a joke under Lenardo. Bare in mind, Inter Milan had won the league for 5 years in a row before then.

I wouldn't compare a washed up Allegri in 2020's with a much inferior team to Allegri in 2011 with a far superior team. However of course, as you said, this is hypothetical.

 

[Huidada]

Since there are so many fans of allegri here, why not just fire Motta now and hire managers of similar mold to Allegri? Below are a few candidates.

KOMPANY (CUMPANY)
A typical egoistic Belgian who thinks that he is tiki taka master simply because he served as Pep’s chihuahua during his career. Has zero knowledge and football. Often set up his team extremely high up the pitch in order to ‘be like pep’ but offers zero answers when players ask him how to cover in defense. Often, he just says ‘shut up and play like man city’

ERIK TEN HAAG
Another classic toxic manager from medieval times, this time hailing from the rude Holland. His style of management is to relentlessly insult his own players to cover for his incapabilties. Classic Allegri mold.

AQUILANI
Not a manager yet. And was a fake footballer who looks forward to being with men in the locker room. Should not be near football at all. Another classic Allegri mold.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Since there are so many fans of allegri here, why not just fire Motta now and hire managers of similar mold to Allegri? Below are a few candidates.

KOMPANY (CUMPANY)
A typical egoistic Belgian who thinks that he is tiki taka master simply because he served as Pep’s chihuahua during his career. Has zero knowledge and football. Often set up his team extremely high up the pitch in order to ‘be like pep’ but offers zero answers when players ask him how to cover in defense. Often, he just says ‘shut up and play like man city’

ERIK TEN HAAG
Another classic toxic manager from medieval times, this time hailing from the rude Holland. His style of management is to relentlessly insult his own players to cover for his incapabilties. Classic Allegri mold.

AQUILANI
Not a manager yet. And was a fake footballer who looks forward to being with men in the locker room. Should not be near football at all. Another classic Allegri mold.

u wot m8?

 

[Huidada]

u wot m8?

Bout to go HAM on anyone throatin’ Allegri

 

[Hist]

You're comparing a hypothetical question with many factors with a question with events that actually transpired. However I will answer it:

Assuming we hired Allegri in the summer of 2011, instead of Conte, then it would not be too farfetched to believe that we would have won the league.

Remember Allegri won the league with AC Milan back in 2011, for the first time in 7 years. Furthermore, many revisionists on here seem to forget that Allegri's Milan were Conte's greatest rivals in 2011-2012. In a way, Allegri revived Milan's hopes in the league after Milan had declined under Ancelotti and were a joke under Lenardo. Bare in mind, Inter Milan had won the league for 5 years in a row before then.

I wouldn't compare a washed up Allegri in 2020's with a much inferior team to Allegri in 2011 with a far superior team. However of course, as you said, this is hypothetical.

Ofc it’s hypothetical but my intuition is in the opposite direction. Not because he’s a worse coach or anything like that, but because of his approach requiring higher tier players and experience level to be successful.

Contes strengths are to breathe fire into players and have them follow a rigid system like robots. That’s exactly what we needed.

I don’t think Allegri could have achieved the same thing if he came first the same way, Conte would not have achieved what Allegri did, had he stayed any longer.

We got the perfect sequence between them, we needed someone to first instill a system and winning mentality and then someone to tweak it and give the players more freedom. Doesn’t work in reverse.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Ofc it’s hypothetical but my intuition is in the opposite direction. Not because he’s a worse coach or anything like that, but because of his approach requiring higher tier players and experience level to be successful.

Contes strengths are to breathe fire into players and have them follow a rigid system like robots. That’s exactly what we needed.

I don’t think Allegri could have achieved the same thing if he came first the same way, Conte would not have achieved what Allegri did, had he stayed any longer.

We got the perfect sequence between them, we needed someone to first instill a system and winning mentality and then someone to tweak it and give the players more freedom. Doesn’t work in reverse.

I agree

So like, yeah, this is all hypotheticals, but my gut’s saying nah. Not that he’s a trash coach or anything, but his vibe’s all about needing elite-level players to pop off, ya feel?

Conte's like, spicy. Dude’s got that "alpha drill sergeant" energy, gets players moving like they're on autopilot, super locked-in. That’s exactly what we needed back then.

I don't see Allegri pulling the same vibe if he’d rolled up first. And on the flip, if Conte stayed longer, he wouldn’t have vibed the way Allegri did.

It’s like, we got the perfect 1-2 combo. Conte drilled the squad with structure and the “win or die” mentality, and Allegri came in to loosen the reins a bit. You couldn’t reverse that, fr fr.

 

[s4tch]

...It’s like, we got the perfect 1-2 combo...

 

[Fr3sh]

moyes joined a winning yanited
benitez joined a winning inda
rudi garcia joined a winning napoli

etc


conte's team played 3-5-2 and was chicken shit in europe, even got relegated once from the group stage and rotated the shit out of the squad for the el. allegri switched to 4 defenders while keeping the best players on the pitch and we never played an el match under him. twice he played the final and he lost knockout ties against bayern, real, and - as the only negative surprise - ajax. conte lost our only cup final in 3 years (and adp's final match in juve jersey at it), allegri won 4 cups in a row.

for me allegri 1.0 is untouchable. that juve couldn't have realistically achieved more. we had some great players, but great players don't mean anything, just ask anyone who followed pre-calciopoli inda or post del bosque, pre zidane real madrid (1 cl in like a decade with some of the best squads in each year iirc)

When allegri would switch up formations in the middle of the game
EuroMax is easily one of my favourite coaches we've had, I wish he won the UCL with us it would have cemented him as one our best coaches of all times. If only we got Mandzukic instead of Morata that year we got Morata. Mandzo-Tevez with a midfield of pirlo-vidal-pogba and chessio would have been just

 

[Lion]

Doesn't matter. None of these players are World Class. Except for Chiellini and Buffon. Dani Alves (yes) but we only had him for one year and at an old age. Khedira being a World Cup winner doesn't make him a world class player either. By that logic Gilardino and Iaquinta were world class for winning the World Cup. A World Class player is a player who is arguably the best in his position. We had a lot of B+ players.

Also, you avoided the question, please tell me 3 managers that achieved better with the teams that they had these past three decades?

94 - 2024 (30 years)

Including Lippi

1. Lippi
2. Allegri
3. Conte

Excluding Lippi
1. Allegri
2. Conte
3. Capello?

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I don't even mind the criticism. Obviously his last stint left a sour taste, deservedly so, but I just hate the recent revisionist history. Go read this thread around May 2015, no one was accusing him of taking Conte's glory. In fact, I remember everyone mocking Conte, and we had to have his thread locked.
For the record, Conte by his own admission, infamously said "...you can’t enter a €100 restaurant with a €10 note." So by Conte's own admission, did not believe Juventus were good enough to compete in Europe.

There is no point anymore in discussing. You are arguing in bad faith

 

[Ventus]

@Hist @IliveForJuve
Let's not forget that Allegri revived AC Milan back in 2011 and won them their first title in 7 years.
I'm not saying we would have been unbeaten under Allegri but I wouldn't put ot passed him that he could have won the league in 2011-2012 team with Juve either

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When allegri would switch up formations in the middle of the game
EuroMax is easily one of my favourite coaches we've had, I wish he won the UCL with us it would have cemented him as one our best coaches of all times. If only we got Mandzukic instead of Morata that year we got Morata. Mandzo-Tevez with a midfield of pirlo-vidal-pogba and chessio would have been just

Morata was a class act in the CL in 2015 though. Clutch player.

Generally speaking, I think our 2015 team was better than our 2017 team.

 

[Bjerknes]

Since there are so many fans of allegri here, why not just fire Motta now and hire managers of similar mold to Allegri? Below are a few candidates.

KOMPANY (CUMPANY)
A typical egoistic Belgian who thinks that he is tiki taka master simply because he served as Pep’s chihuahua during his career. Has zero knowledge and football. Often set up his team extremely high up the pitch in order to ‘be like pep’ but offers zero answers when players ask him how to cover in defense. Often, he just says ‘shut up and play like man city’

ERIK TEN HAAG
Another classic toxic manager from medieval times, this time hailing from the rude Holland. His style of management is to relentlessly insult his own players to cover for his incapabilties. Classic Allegri mold.

AQUILANI
Not a manager yet. And was a fake footballer who looks forward to being with men in the locker room. Should not be near football at all. Another classic Allegri mold.

Don't forget

SOUTHGATE
Born in Hertfordshire this low testosterone manager offers years of experience coaching Middlesbrough and Engerlund, losing a final on the way to no success. He is a transformational pee brain who plays the same 11 players every match and dumps them into a 352 like other dinosaur legends. Act fast, time is running out before he coaches United to mid table success in Engerlund.

 

[Fr3sh]

@Hist @IliveForJuve
Let's not forget that Allegri revived AC Milan back in 2011 and won them their first title in 7 years.
I'm not saying we would have been unbeaten under Allegri but I wouldn't put ot passed him that he could have won the league in 2011-2012 team with Juve either

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Morata was a class act in the CL in 2015 though. Clutch player.

Generally speaking, I think our 2015 team was better than our 2017 team.

All I'm saying is if we had Mandzo instead of Morata partnering up with Tevez we could have won it, or at least had slightly better odds. And besides it would've been an absolute dream to see a team of bullies tevez-mandzo, vidal, litch, chiello, barzagli absolutely suffocating

 

[Fab Fragment]

All I'm saying is if we had Mandzo instead of Morata partnering up with Tevez we could have won it, or at least had slightly better odds. And besides it would've been an absolute dream to see a team of bullies tevez-mandzo, vidal, litch, chiello, barzagli absolutely suffocating

That team we had against Barcelona was fantastic. Even the one against RM 2 years later was very good but some injuries and rotten apples ruined the occasion.

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Refresh my memory, wasn’t it Bonbon who goofed up on the first Barcelona goal?

 

[Fr3sh]

That team we had against Barcelona was fantastic. Even the one against RM 2 years later was very good but some injuries and rotten apples ruined the occasion.

i remember getting plastered drunk watching the barca final at a bar, i drank at a much faster pace than usual cause I was nervous, at the end of it when final whistle blew i actually teared up and wanted to fight someone

 

[mjromeo81]

Since there are so many fans of allegri here, why not just fire Motta now and hire managers of similar mold to Allegri? Below are a few candidates.

KOMPANY (CUMPANY)
A typical egoistic Belgian who thinks that he is tiki taka master simply because he served as Pep’s chihuahua during his career. Has zero knowledge and football. Often set up his team extremely high up the pitch in order to ‘be like pep’ but offers zero answers when players ask him how to cover in defense. Often, he just says ‘shut up and play like man city’

ERIK TEN HAAG
Another classic toxic manager from medieval times, this time hailing from the rude Holland. His style of management is to relentlessly insult his own players to cover for his incapabilties. Classic Allegri mold.

AQUILANI
Not a manager yet. And was a fake footballer who looks forward to being with men in the locker room. Should not be near football at all. Another classic Allegri mold.

Add Roberto Mancini to this list. He's just left his Saudi Arabia gig. Cunt is going to get a €20m payout.