Massimiliano Allegri (231 Viewers)

[Ventus]

And Conte. He revived us.

Allegri has arguably been our most successful manager in the past 30 years, bar Lippi. Yes his second reign was disastrous, but I'd like to remember his first. Let's not pretend that his first reign wasn't amongst the most memorable in Juve history.

 

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[Stevie]

He has arguably been the worst manager in 30 years.

Fuck him and close this thread it's still stinking up the forum.

 

[Huidada]

Allegri has arguably been our most successful manager in the past 30 years, bar Lippi. Yes his second reign was disastrous, but I'd like to remember his first. Let's not pretend that his first reign wasn't amongst the most memorable in Juve history.

are u kidding? He brought in Khedira Lolrente matuidick and pjanic. Four of the most obvious useless players in Europe that has been carried by strong teams.

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He has arguably been the worst manager in 30 years.

Fuck him and close this thread it's still stinking up the forum.

agree. He is at most 1% better than crapello

 

[Ventus]

He has arguably been the worst manager in 30 years.

Fuck him and close this thread it's still stinking up the forum.

Please give me the list of managers who were better than Allegri's first reign? Except for Lippi, Allegri did a lot more than anybody else.

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are u kidding? He brought in Khedira Lolrente matuidick and pjanic. Four of the most obvious useless players in Europe that has been carried by strong teams.

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agree. He is at most 1% better than crapello

Allegri had little say on the transfers. Even then, he still achieved more than anybody else except for Lippi. Stop rewriting history.

 

[loyada]

Imagine if the management signed Bonaventura or Witsel for him.

 

[Stevie]

Please give me the list of managers who were better than Allegri's first reign? Except for Lippi, Allegri did a lot more than anybody else.

No... I'm not wasting anymore time arguing about Allegri.

Close thread.

 

[Lion]

Please give me the list of managers who were better than Allegri's first reign? Except for Lippi, Allegri did a lot more than anybody else.

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Allegri had little say on the transfers. Even then, he still achieved more than anybody else except for Lippi. Stop rewriting history.

I’m sorry but team was already a winning team when he joined. He didn’t do anything different.

His second stint showed he was clueless manager from beginning carried by a winning team and strong players .Marrotta might as well have coached the team himself since he kept that team running .

 

[Fab Fragment]

My fav coach. Miss his strip tease tantrums.

 

[s4tch]

I’m sorry but team was already a winning team when he joined.

moyes joined a winning yanited
benitez joined a winning inda
rudi garcia joined a winning napoli

etc

He didn’t do anything different.

conte's team played 3-5-2 and was chicken shit in europe, even got relegated once from the group stage and rotated the shit out of the squad for the el. allegri switched to 4 defenders while keeping the best players on the pitch and we never played an el match under him. twice he played the final and he lost knockout ties against bayern, real, and - as the only negative surprise - ajax. conte lost our only cup final in 3 years (and adp's final match in juve jersey at it), allegri won 4 cups in a row.

for me allegri 1.0 is untouchable. that juve couldn't have realistically achieved more. we had some great players, but great players don't mean anything, just ask anyone who followed pre-calciopoli inda or post del bosque, pre zidane real madrid (1 cl in like a decade with some of the best squads in each year iirc)

 

[Ventus]

I’m sorry but team was already a winning team when he joined. He didn’t do anything different.

His second stint showed he was clueless manager from beginning carried by a winning team and strong players .Marrotta might as well have coached the team himself since he kept that team running .

Open challenge. Name me 3 coaches that did better than Allegri in his first stint, these past 30 years. Except for Lippi. Considering Allegri was one of the 'worst managers we've ever had,' this should be easy.

@Lion

I await your response.

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moyes joined a winning yanited
benitez joined a winning inda
rudi garcia joined a winning napoli

etc


conte's team played 3-5-2 and was chicken shit in europe, even got relegated once from the group stage and rotated the shit out of the squad for the el. allegri switched to 4 defenders while keeping the best players on the pitch and we never played an el match under him. twice he played the final and he lost knockout ties against bayern, real, and - as the only negative surprise - ajax. conte lost our only cup final in 3 years (and adp's final match in juve jersey at it), allegri won 4 cups in a row.

for me allegri 1.0 is untouchable. that juve couldn't have realistically achieved more. we had some great players, but great players don't mean anything, just ask anyone who followed pre-calciopoli inda or post del bosque, pre zidane real madrid (1 cl in like a decade with some of the best squads in each year iirc)

It's BS. Capello arguably had the best team in the world, and yet we were embarrassed by Arsenal who finished 4th in the EPL and Liverpool who finished 5th.

 

[Fab Fragment]

The question of who was better the Allegri (sans Lippi) is not fair. As much as we criticize Conte, don’t forget that before Conte, we were a solid 7th place team. We had a loser mentality. That winning mentality only came with Conte. Yes, Conte's tactics and stubbornness probably held us back in Europe. However, I doubt that we would have embarked on that 9 year winning streak with Max [at the start] in place of Conte.

 

[Ventus]

The question of who was better the Allegri (sans Lippi) is not fair. As much as we criticize Conte, don’t forget that before Conte, we were a solid 7th place team. We had a loser mentality. That winning mentality only came with Conte. Yes, Conte's tactics and stubbornness probably held us back in Europe. However, I doubt that we would have embarked on that 9 year winning streak with Max [at the start] in place of Conte.

Not really, we are told that Allegri is one of our worst managers. So I'm intrigued to know 3 other managers (except for Lippi) who did better than Allegri, in the last 30 years. This should be easy.

Ancelotti flopped with a team that included Zidane, Del piero, Davids, Inzaghi etc.
Capello was terrible in Europe with arguably the best team in the world.
Conte made us a solid team, but many of the key players left in 2015. He also flopped in Europe.

The less we say about the rest, the better.

Even if we are to say that Conte was better (debatable), that makes one manager in 30 years.

 

[Fab Fragment]

Not really, we are told that Allegri is one of our worst managers. So I'm intrigued to know 3 other managers (except for Lippi) who did better than Allegri, in the last 30 years. This should be easy.

Ancelotti flopped with a team that included Zidane, Del piero, Davids, Inzaghi etc.
Capello was terrible in Europe with arguably the best team in the world.
Conte made us a solid team, but many of the key players left in 2015. He also flopped in Europe.

The less we say about the rest, the better.

Even if we are to say that Conte was better (debatable), that makes one manager in 30 years.

You are definitely right about the other coaches we have had in the least 30 years. But I still doubt that Max would have been the right coach to launch our 9 year cycle.

 

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[s4tch]

You are definitely right about the other coaches we have had in the least 30 years. But I still doubt that Max would have been the right coach to launch our 9 year cycle.

i think that it was marotta who launched our 9 year cycle. that mercato with pirlo, licht, vidal, vucinic in addition to buffon, barza, chiellini, bonucci and adp, was just too strong. probably the strongest summer we've ever had, only the buffon, nedved, thuram mercato compares. but we had to sell zidane, arguably the best player of that era.

conte did extremely well too, he deserves all the credit. let's not forget that marotta hired him too. our stars aligned perfectly with the new stadium, the lack of european competition, the great mercato, the new management and the new coach, so it's not easy to give anyone the ultimate credit. that mercato though... more than excellent.

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Al-legri throaters:

hey pavle long time no see

 

[Ventus]

@s4tch

I definitely think that Marotta was arguably the biggest reason for our success. I said this in another post. However, Allegri definitely deserves a lot of credit. I would argue that Ancelotti and Capello had better teams than Allegri and did worse. I might get a lot of hate but I don't think the 2017 team had many 'World Class Players' compared to Real Madrid or Bayern. Our 2017 had many 'B+ players'.' Higuain, Pjanic, Dybala were great players but I wouldn't classify them as 'world class.'
What Allegri did in his first stint, was install a winning mentality in Europe, something that we lacked in Europe for decades. People tend to forget that he also won the league with an underachieving aging Milan team in 2011. Between 2011-2019 he was a top coach, but like Mourinho, he is clearly dated.

 

[Lion]

moyes joined a winning yanited
benitez joined a winning inda
rudi garcia joined a winning napoli

etc

i understand the point you are trying to make and there is some truth to it yes, but just saying those names is not doing justice to what actually happened.

moyes joined united with their winning cycle being over. lots of players needed replacement and were not replaced properly

same with inter

same with napoli. napoli that season lost their best defender, and their 2 star players played mediocre for various on pitch and off pitch reason. more proof players mattered more than the coach.

marotta constantly added players to continue the winning cycle. delp piero left, tevez added. tevez left, dybala added. pogba left pjanic added. mandzukic not scoring goals, higuain added and so on and so on. the team every year was adding important players to continue the winning cycle.

you can't say the same for the other 3 examples you mentioned. but you can see it in allegri's first season back in second stint. aging players in chiellini, woj, bonucci. allegri doesn't know what to do because the players just aren't there anymore to mask his bad tactics.

conte's team played 3-5-2 and was chicken shit in europe, even got relegated once from the group stage and rotated the shit out of the squad for the el. allegri switched to 4 defenders while keeping the best players on the pitch and we never played an el match under him. twice he played the final and he lost knockout ties against bayern, real, and - as the only negative surprise - ajax. conte lost our only cup final in 3 years (and adp's final match in juve jersey at it), allegri won 4 cups in a row.
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again your post is further proof marotta and players was one the responsible for success despite of allegri, not because of him.

the team post conte had the following: evra one of the best left backs of all time, morata a young enthusiastic striker with pace and skill who was clutch in big matches, a older more complete pogba. in his second cl run, he had pjanic, higuain, dybala, dani alves, mandzukic, benatia, khedira. all very important top players in the world.

if conte was given such players who knows what he could have achieved? remember conte won the league with pepe, matri, estigarriba and osvaldo

 

[Siamak]

Al-legri throaters:

I thought Valentina riding on that guy!

 

[Stevie]

I’m sorry but team was already a winning team when he joined. He didn’t do anything different.

His second stint showed he was clueless manager from beginning carried by a winning team and strong players .Marrotta might as well have coached the team himself since he kept that team running .

This

 

[Lion]

@s4tch

. I might get a lot of hate but I don't think the 2017 team had many 'World Class Players' compared to Real Madrid or Bayern. Our 2017 had many 'B+ players'.' Higuain, Pjanic, Dybala were great players but I wouldn't classify them as 'world class.'

respectfully, i think you are ignoring reality of what happened.

higuain before joing juve had the following stats from each season 11-12 : 39 G +A. 12-13: 27 G+A. 13-14: 36 G+A. 14-15: 40 G+A. 15-16: 41 G+A. and in that 17 season he had: 36 G+A. that is absolutley world class performances for multiple seasons in a row.

dybala in 2015-16 had 36 g+A. and in that 17 season had 28 g+A season , in 17-18 he had 33 G+A. he was world class consistent.

no need to mention khedira a world cup winner. or dani alves the best right back of all time. or sandro who was top left back that time. bbc and buffon don't need mention.