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Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,320
One sentence in, and i can see our differences of opinion.
I don't think this team is good enough to be able to be Scudetto winners. And playing this way was doing us really well. Before we psychologically exploded. That can happen when your team in largely inexperienced. We don't have a team full of quality players capable. That's my opinion.

A football team is as good as its characteristics.
But you must agree a proper coach would make us look like a team hence our player's value and contribution rise which will result innhigher transfer income and better evaluation regarding our players.

Chiesa for instance would be a star in most games although I dont know if he plays more due to his post ACL stamina.
Vlahovic with more chances might go back to his Fiorentina form and etc..

Inter are truely strong so promising Scudetto at this point is premature but crazier things happened..

What Im saying is put Inter aside and even with these bunch of players a good coach should make us dominate the league and not play a hard fought games against minnows like they are some kind of greats.
Inter meet them a week after and toy with them. Why we cant just beat them?
The answer is we should!

Motta? Maybe but even if he does well - I dont like Inter but their current team must be respected.
 

MrMonkey

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2017
4,284
What I LOL is Max appears every week talking about on pace to get a top 4 and CL qualification. Which is so true but makes it seems like a great accomplishment. The eye test though watching most of entire year shows no consistent structure of play. Hit and miss isn't good enough.

A month ago said no way to can Max until after season when CL seemed a certainty. Only a short-term sub manager in place with no guarantee to do more in producing points.

Current standings
59 Juve thru 30
52 Roma thru 30
50 Atalanta thru 29

Though now thinking next 3 matches could change my thinking. Need 7 points from Fiore, Torino and Cagli to get to 66. Reasonably tough last 5 being AC Milan (H), Roma (A), Salern lol (H), Bologna (A) and Monza (H). Seeing from negative viewpoint getting only 6 points from last 5. How can I not with 7 points in last 9 league matches including Rugani's gift from the soccer Gods agains Fros.

Plenty of hypo here but 13 from above adds up to 72 for Juve. Roma has difficult 8 match schedule remaining and see little to none chance of even reaching 72 points.

Atalanta I believe could be the issue on top 4 looking at schedule. Hopefully worn down playing lots of matches with Coppa and Europa? League schedule with 9 to go with very winnable matches against Cagli, Verona, Empoli, Monza, Salern, and Lecce. Add in Roma, Torino and Fiore all (H) and who knows?

Hypo again but could Atalanta get 24 points from above 9 making it to 74? Max and Co need to start with 3 points against Fiore.
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Aug 2, 2005
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What I LOL is Max appears every week talking about on pace to get a top 4 and CL qualification. Which is so true but makes it seems like a great accomplishment. The eye test though watching most of entire year shows no consistent structure of play. Hit and miss isn't good enough.

A month ago said no way to can Max until after season when CL seemed a certainty. Only a short-term sub manager in place with no guarantee to do more in producing points.

Current standings
59 Juve thru 30
52 Roma thru 30
50 Atalanta thru 29

Though now thinking next 3 matches could change my thinking. Need 7 points from Fiore, Torino and Cagli to get to 66. Reasonably tough last 5 being AC Milan (H), Roma (A), Salern lol (H), Bologna (A) and Monza (H). Seeing from negative viewpoint getting only 6 points from last 5. How can I not with 7 points in last 9 league matches including Rugani's gift from the soccer Gods agains Fros.

Plenty of hypo here but 13 from above adds up to 72 for Juve. Roma has difficult 8 match schedule remaining and see little to none chance of even reaching 72 points.

Atalanta I believe could be the issue on top 4 looking at schedule. Hopefully worn down playing lots of matches with Coppa and Europa? League schedule with 9 to go with very winnable matches against Cagli, Verona, Empoli, Monza, Salern, and Lecce. Add in Roma, Torino and Fiore all (H) and who knows?

Hypo again but could Atalanta get 24 points from above 9 making it to 74? Max and Co need to start with 3 points against Fiore.
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If you have told me in Jan that 4th is at risk, I would have said you're crazy.. i read posts here earlier in Feb talking about it, though, I thought this was TUZ regular doom and gloom, esp. It was from the regulars like JCK, who chose the worst scenario to predict.
Little did I know that it is becoming a reality, and the fraud is clueless even in this week serie ass.. we dont even have trust in winning against minniows anymore.

Then there is the clown management who could have fired his ass before the Intl. Break.. yet.. no... they still believe he can get us to 4th... when we cannot even be a threat to minniows.

FFS..

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,494
This thread has more pages than Del Piero's thread :D

It's still far behind "What Are You Doing Right Now?" but it has more posts than all the other threads.
Insane thing is last time I skimmed it was last Monday, so I was brought to that first. And that's 12 pages ago. So 6 days, 2 pages a day.


Wtf are you even guys saying in here? How many different ways can we say this hapless fraud must be fired, but he won't be before season ends so we just wait?

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I actually like Vlad and Patrizi, even though I strongly disagree with their opinions and perspectives. There is never a need to resort to petty insults when dealing with other forum members. At the end of the day, we all want the team to do well, win, and entertain if possible.

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Jun 27, 2011
972
This:



How your opinion hasn't changed one bit when a month ago you would have given him one more year.
Now you're not sure he should get that one year.
Isn't this changing the opinion!?!?!?!?
No. I don't understand what is keeping you so long to understand basic things like this. Is it the english language that you're maybe not comfortable with?
I'd sign Zidane in a heartbeat, but that doesn't contradict the fact that I think Allegri deserves another year.

I'm pretty sure I know my opinion better than you do :lol2:

God you're pathetic.

As far as I remember, the insults came from the throaters first. But as usual they flip flop when things don't go well for Allegri, including Patrizi lol

Cunt #5
Every time someone says throater, I'm sure he's at most 13, mentally.
...Except @Bianconero81, he's funny.
 
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Dino_mk

Senior Member
Sep 5, 2007
2,041
No. I don't understand what is keeping you so long to understand basic things like this. Is it the english language that you're maybe not comfortable with?
I'd sign Zidane in a heartbeat, but that doesn't contradict the fact that I think Allegri deserves another year.

I'm pretty sure I know my opinion better than you do 2:

God you're pathetic.


Every time someone says throater, I'm sure he's at most 13, mentally.
...Except @Bianconero81, he's funny.
Keep flip - flopping your opinions and then wonder why nobody takes you seriously, you clown!
 

Clamarc

Senior Member
Sep 26, 2018
1,982
No. I don't understand what is keeping you so long to understand basic things like this. Is it the english language that you're maybe not comfortable with?
I'd sign Zidane in a heartbeat, but that doesn't contradict the fact that I think Allegri deserves another year.

I'm pretty sure I know my opinion better than you do :lol2:

God you're pathetic.


Every time someone says throater, I'm sure he's at most 13, mentally.
...Except @Bianconero81, he's funny.
Mama milk me

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beowulf

Junior Member
Dec 9, 2012
350
Is it just too much to ask to watch Juve play football? Just one time. Try not planning the game around Gatti and instead get the ball to the forwards. Is it possible?
 
Jun 27, 2011
972
But you must agree a proper coach would make us look like a team hence our player's value and contribution rise which will result innhigher transfer income and better evaluation regarding our players.

Chiesa for instance would be a star in most games although I dont know if he plays more due to his post ACL stamina.
Vlahovic with more chances might go back to his Fiorentina form and etc..

Inter are truely strong so promising Scudetto at this point is premature but crazier things happened..

What Im saying is put Inter aside and even with these bunch of players a good coach should make us dominate the league and not play a hard fought games against minnows like they are some kind of greats.
Inter meet them a week after and toy with them. Why we cant just beat them?
The answer is we should!

Motta? Maybe but even if he does well - I dont like Inter but their current team must be respected.
Oh wow. Take a look at that... A normal human being with a sign of intelligence. Refreshing.

I guess I see things differently. I can see that our opinion differs when it comes to our squad. I generally think our squad is nowhere near ready to compete for the title. You're right, Inter are on another level, complete even. But i'm not so sure our team is any better than Milan, Atalanta, Roma, or even Napoli.
I think, and this was my opinion before the season started, that we would have a hard time qualifying for cl with this squad. Mind you, I was expecting both Napoli and Milan to do better.

A football team is made up of players with certain characteristics. And the sum of our characteristics isn't sexy. Very few players in our team are even capable and comfortable with the ball at their feet. Except maybe Yildiz. There's no way to play attacking football here, unless you're willing to bypass the midfield entirely. This will be just as much of a problem for Motta, as it is for Allegri.
Our squad has been very poorly built in the last couple of years. We've been broke, and we've had to lower our wage bill. Relying on youth from next gen.
This is for example what makes Marotta as good as he is. We've had zero vision for a pretty long time now when it comes to putting a team together.

Changing a coach doesn't solve our problems i believe. It might change our style a bit, but last time we tried something like that, it went horribly.
If we don't strengthen considerably, even Guardiola would have a difficult time here. That's my opinion.

Kudos to you for being able to discuss different opinions without turning into a teenager with troubles.
Refreshing. This sub could use more of people like you.

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Cunt #6
This is what I mean... teenager with troubles.
It would serve this forum well if there was an age restriction. Or some kind of bot test to filter out the nonsense
 
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beowulf

Junior Member
Dec 9, 2012
350
Oh wow. Take a look at that... A normal human being with a sign of intelligence. Refreshing.

I guess I see things differently. I can see that our opinion differs when it comes to our squad. I generally think our squad is nowhere near ready to compete for the title. You're right, Inter are on another level, complete even. But i'm not so sure our team is any better than Milan, Atalanta, Roma, or even Napoli.
I think, and this was my opinion before the season started, that we would have a hard time qualifying for cl with this squad. Mind you, I was expecting both Napoli and Milan to do better.

A football team is made up of players with certain characteristics. And the sum of our characteristics isn't sexy. Very few players in our team are even capable and comfortable with the ball at their feet. Except maybe Yildiz. There's no way to play attacking football here, unless you're willing to bypass the midfield entirely. This will be just as much of a problem for Motta, as it is for Allegri.
Our squad has been very poorly built in the last couple of years. We've been broke, and we've had to lower our wage bill. Relying on youth from next gen.
This is for example what makes Marotta as good as he is. We've had zero vision for a pretty long time now when it comes to putting a team together.

Changing a coach doesn't solve our problems i believe. It might change our style a bit, but last time we tried something like that, it went horribly.
If we don't strengthen considerably, even Guardiola would have a difficult time here. That's my opinion.

Kudos to you for being able to discuss different opinions without turning into a teenager with troubles.
Refreshing. This sub could use more of people like you.

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This team isn't just struggling against Roma, Milan, etc exclusively. It is struggling against the minnows. This argument holds 0 water. He isn't somehow getting more out of the team than others would. He has no plan and no leadership over the squad. There are no tacitcs. It is sit back and hope someone bounces the ball off someone to score.
 
Aug 2, 2005
4,420
A football team is made up of players with certain characteristics. ""And a coach, not a fraud""
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And the sum of our characteristics isn't sexy. Very few players in our team are even capable and comfortable with the ball at their feet. Except maybe Yildiz.
This will be just as much of a problem for Motta, as it is for Allegri.
True, in fact, our main problem is the midfield, and unfortunately, the fraud has nothing to teach or coach these guys even if his life depends on it

Changing a coach doesn't solve our problems, i believe.
It is the first and main step at the moment. He is not the man for such team or management philosophy.
He might be a good coach for champions/ WC players. He is no coach to set up or build anything.
Simply, he is not the right fit for us now...


And plz.. stop using Sarri and Pirlo as ""the example"" cause they were bad choices as you say about the players we chose the past few year.. it was the wrong choice of coaches and players in the past year that got us where we are now..


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