Massimiliano Allegri (216 Viewers)

[Hist]

Count your blessings that the season is going better than we expected (because of how low he took us). We were stuck with him because of the crazy contract and the club was clearly going to let him finish it no matter the results. No amount of bad results or humiliations were going to get him sacked.

An extension would be madness.

 

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[Rockets]

I don't know man, I don't know how I feel about this.

• Am I satisfied with the results (so far) this season? Yes.
• Am I enjoying the wins? Yes.
• Do I enjoy the games? No.
• Do I agree with his corto muso philosophy? No.
• Do I think he deserves an extension right now? No.
• Do I think he deserves an extension if we win Scudetto and Coppa Italia this season? No.
• Do I think he deserves an extension if, next season, we are competing for the Scudetto and Coppa Italia both till the very end and qualify for the quarter-finals in CL? Yes.
• Do I think we have a decent enough squad to achieve the aforesaid goals this season? Yes.
• Do I think we have a decent enough squad to achieve the aforesaid goals next season? No.
• Do I like Allegri? No.
• Do I hate him? No.
• Do I care? Yes.

I know every answers to my questions but when I put them all together, I still don't know...

 

[singus]

My point is again, we havnt actually tried being ambitious with a coach yet, so we dont know what we could be missing. We know a hell of a lot about Allegri and his many versions and perversions too.

@Patrizi try one more time. Last attempt was a bit mental.
Saying Allegri is an ambitious choice is not a good answer to the question of how do we know that ANOTHER coach (an ambitious choice, not Pirlo or Sarri) cant do better.

 

[JuveJay]

I have a feeling your idea of ambitious coach is going to collide with reality.

I suppose in theory we could pick up De Zerbi or another coach in a league I don't even watch who is flying and innovative, these are coaches modern fans want.

 

[Patrizi]

@Patrizi try one more time. Last attempt was a bit mental.
Saying Allegri is an ambitious choice is not a good answer to the question of how do we know that ANOTHER coach (an ambitious choice, not Pirlo or Sarri) cant do better.

Tell me. What do you consider such an ambitious signing, that it makes our second most successful coach in history look unambitious?

Klopp? Who earns 18m euros a year? The one Allegri sent walking home after being outclassed?

I'm excited. Aroused, even. Go!

 

[Robee]

No. We are sooo past it. Now we are at "Allegri the sporting director only if we win" argument.

No we're not. But people in here tend to ignore middle ground at all costs.

Allegri simply ended his first stint badly and started his second in the same way. Now he's obviously redeeming himself. It's difficult to ignore those...

 

[Juve92]

Tbh Dai is easily a top5 forum poster and this 2/10 entertainment isnt worth losing him

Dont worry, that bitch will be back sooner than you think

 

[singus]

Tell me. What do you consider such an ambitious signing, that it makes our second most successful coach in history look unambitious?

Klopp? Who earns 18m euros a year? The one Allegri sent walking home after being outclassed?

I'm excited. Aroused, even. Go!

You still dont get it. The argument/logic is by some fraud supporters that "we already tried changing the coach and that failed, so thereby we can deduct that Allegri is not a problem".

Here I mention that we cant use the sample of other coaches being Sarri and Pirlo who was not even a fucking coach. Thats NOT trying other coaches.
You twice failed to comprehend that and it seems less and less surprising. Your answer to this is AGAIN "Allegri is the most ambitious coach out there".

big lol

Here is a SHORT sample of coaches that could be considered, and I dont buy the argument that we cant attract one of these coaches. We are spending hundreds of millions on players and coaches still.

- Klopp
- Guardiola
- Zidane
- Ancelotti
- Tuchel
- De Zerbi
- Xavi
- Arteta
- Nagelsmann
- Pochettino
- Luis Enrique
- Marco Rose

Im not saying ALL of these would be a success, but these would present an ambitious change of coach, bringing something new to the club.
And Im also not saying that these would all be interested in joining us currently, but during last few years there must have been some windows of opportunity.

Now I do know how throaters usually react to a post like this. Selecting one name in the list and putting a and saying "as if he wants to join Juve" or "Allegri beat him once in 2017 - lol".

 

[Patrizi]

You still dont get it. The argument/logic is by some fraud supporters that "we already tried changing the coach and that failed, so thereby we can deduct that Allegri is not a problem".

Here I mention that we cant use the sample of other coaches being Sarri and Pirlo who was not even a fucking coach. Thats NOT trying other coaches.
You twice failed to comprehend that and it seems less and less surprising. Your answer to this is AGAIN "Allegri is the most ambitious coach out there".

big lol

Here is a SHORT sample of coaches that could be considered, and I dont buy the argument that we cant attract one of these coaches. We are spending hundreds of millions on players and coaches still.

- Klopp
- Guardiola
- Zidane
- Ancelotti
- Tuchel
- De Zerbi
- Xavi
- Arteta
- Nagelsmann
- Pochettino
- Luis Enrique
- Marco Rose

Im not saying ALL of these would be a success, but these would present an ambitious change of coach, bringing something new to the club.
And Im also not saying that these would all be interested in joining us currently, but during last few years there must have been some windows of opportunity.

Now I do know how throaters usually react to a post like this. Selecting one name in the list and putting a and saying "as if he wants to join Juve" or "Allegri beat him once in 2017 - lol".

Out of all of those names you mentioned, I'd be happy with Zidane and Ancelotti. I consider Allegri more ambitious signing than 80% of those you mentioned.

In what reality is Pirlo an unambitious signing, and Xavi an ambitious one?

God i'm thankful you're not making any real decisions. Luis Enrique? What in the world...

 

[magician]

Ancelotti lol, we already did that 2 decades ago... But yea, some of us hate the fact that the club is stuck with Italian coaches tradition.

 

[Patrizi]

Ancelotti lol, we already did that 2 decades ago... But yea, some of us hate the fact that the club is stuck with Italian coaches tradition.

The man is a winner. But yeah, that ship has sailed.

 

[Alen]

True. And that ship has truly sailed. Letting go of Henry was unforgivable. But the man is successful. That's for sure.

Henry himself said that Moggi was the reason he left.
“I left Juventus because Moggi disrespected me. Something happened with him, I don’t want to go into much detail. I am an honest guy and I thought it was something disrespectful. Perhaps I would have stayed at Juventus if it weren’t for that.”
https://football-italia.net/henry-left-juventus-because-of-one-person-who-is-to-be-blamed/

 

[Patrizi]

Henry himself said that Moggi was the reason he left.
“I left Juventus because Moggi disrespected me. Something happened with him, I don’t want to go into much detail. I am an honest guy and I thought it was something disrespectful. Perhaps I would have stayed at Juventus if it weren’t for that.”

Didn't know that... I thought it was because Ancelotti insisted on playing him on the left. There was never really any room for him at Juve. He certainly didn't manage to light things on fire.

 

[maxi]

I consider Allegri more ambitious signing than 80% of those you mentioned.

Are you really trying to suggest that Pep is less ambitious than Allegri?

One has 11 league titles, 15 domestic cups, 3 UCLs, 4 Super Cups and 3 club world cups to his name. The other has 6 domestic titles and 7 domestic cups to his name, no European honours, and is too pussy to step foot outside of his own country.

But somehow Im supposed to believe the former is less ambitious than the latter. OK.

The same "ambitious, world class" coach who spent 2 years doing nothing but being a playboy in the Tuscan countryside because no one wanted him.

 

[Patrizi]

Are you really trying to suggest that Pep is less ambitious than Allegri?

One has 11 league titles, 15 domestic cups, 3 UCLs, 4 Super Cups and 3 club world cups to his name. The other has 6 domestic titles and 7 domestic cups to his name, no European honours, and is too pussy to step foot outside of his own country.

But somehow Im supposed to believe the former is less ambitious than the latter. OK.

The same "ambitious, world class" coach who spent 2 years doing nothing but being a playboy in the Tuscan countryside because no one wanted him.

Nope. I said 80% of them.

You make me laugh. When you say no one wanted him. You do realise he could've chosen Real Madrid, Manchester United, or even Inter
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2022/03/31/6245c2d4ca47410b358b4615.html

You're talking with your ass, yet again.

 

[maxi]

Nope. I said 80% of them.

You make me laugh. When you say no one wanted him. You do realise he could've chosen Real Madrid, Manchester United, or even Inter
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2022/03/31/6245c2d4ca47410b358b4615.html

You're talking with your ass, yet again.

You said out of the ones on the list you'd only choose Zidane and Ancelotti. Stop trying to flip flop on your words.

Allegri had Real knocking on the door towards the end of Zizou's tenure, largely because there weren't many options left. And that was right at the end of his sabbatical when we had already made the ill-fated decision to bring him back. Every top manager bar Ancelotti (who was reeling from two poor spells at Napoli and Everton) was taken. Madrid fans didn't want Allegri then, and every one of them today would say that they are thankful to have dodged a bullet. Heck, even the Saudi fans didn't want him. That should tell you everything you need to know about how well he and his "ambition" is regarded elsewhere.

Speaking of talking from your ass, the Man U rumour was bullshit. So much so that even Allegri's agent had to come out and admit that it was a stupid assumption and no club was actually interested in his client.

 

[Patrizi]

You said out of the ones on the list you'd only choose Zidane and Ancelotti. Stop trying to flip flop on your words.

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That's exactly what I said. That those would be the ones i'd choose. Not that Guardiola wouldn't be an ambitious signing. Stop putting words in my mouth.

You said Allegri spent two years doing nothing because nobody wanted him. That's factually incorrect. Like every other post you make.

 

[JuveJay]

Allegri's agent actually said that clubs generally weren't looking to change coach at that time due to Covid restrictions, but it's a nice spin on it.

I mean, we can pretend that Allegri hasn't been sought after at various periods of his career but it's disingenuous. Also gives too much credit to people running top clubs, just looking at his trophy record would interest many clubs.

 

[maxi]

That's exactly what I said. That those would be the ones i'd choose. Not that Guardiola wouldn't be an ambitious signing. Stop putting words in my mouth

You said that they were the only ones you'd choose out of the ones mentioned. Not "some of the ones id choose".

Out of all of those names you mentioned, I'd be happy with Zidane and Ancelotti.

These are your words, not mine. No one is putting them in your mouth, you're just twisting them. There's a reason for not including Pep in your list of would-be replacements for Allegri alongside Zidane and Ancelotti. You don't consider him "ambitious" enough.

 

[Alen]

There are three groups of members posting in this thread.

The first group, for various reasons, but mostly because they sincerely believe that Allegri's ideas and modus operandi are harming this club, started criticizing Max, clashed with the second group, and now they are taking their opinions to extremity. Now no matter what Allegri does, he is wrong, and they have even come to the point where they wish we do bad just so Allegri is fired. One member even answered me that he'd prefer us not to win the scudetto if it means that Max will stay.

The second group, for various reasons, but mostly because they appreciate what Max has done in the past and they sincerely believe that he's getting the best out of this group of Juve players, has defended Allegri from the attacks of the first group. Provoked by group no.1, they too have gone to extremity and they deliberately give Max superpowers, just to provoke group no.1. But they have come to the point where they will defend Allegri even when he's wrong.

The third group is sick of both groups, and they don't really care about Allegri. They just want Juve to do well, irrespective of who is managing the team. They appreciate what Allegri is doing with the current set of players, but they are aware and worried that his anti-football won't take us far in the future.

And then there is s4tch, who is boring all three groups to death.