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singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
How can someone go from being a supposed "genius" and "master tactician" to not being able to tie his own shoe laces? Stroke, alzheimers?. How can some people talk about it as "Max v1" and "Max v2" as if its not the same person.

There were many instances and long periods during his first time at the club that we also sucked ass and saw the exact same tendencies that we are stuck with now. Although not as bad. Did everyone on here really love what they saw back then ?
 
Jul 2, 2006
19,440
let me get this straight. we are not in semi finals of the europa competition. this bozo got his ass handed over to him by fuccabi with 5 loses in 6 games, he got us relegated to second division of the competition. He MUST go without any ifs and buts. we are playing the worst football in entire world and we can't bear another season like this.

How can someone go from being a supposed "genius" and "master tactician" to not being able to tie his own shoe laces? Stroke, alzheimers?. How can some people talk about it as "Max v1" and "Max v2" as if its not the same person.

There were many instances and long periods during his first time at the club that we also sucked ass and saw the exact same tendencies that we are stuck with now. Although not as bad. Did everyone on here really love what they saw back then ?
he sucked back then. he sucks now. he will suck even more tomorrow. proto-marotta galliani unleashed this catastrophy on italian football. he should have been disappear in obscurity after his shit show with milan in 2012 but marotta the ultimate football terrorist made him haunt us over a decade.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,967
let me get this straight. we are not in semi finals of the europa competition. this bozo got his ass handed over to him by fuccabi with 5 loses in 6 games, he got us relegated to second division of the competition. He MUST go without any ifs and buts. we are playing the worst football in entire world and we can't bear another season like this.



he sucked back then. he sucks now. he will suck even more tomorrow. proto-marotta galliani unleashed this catastrophy on italian football. he should have been disappear in obscurity after his shit show with milan in 2012 but marotta the ultimate football terrorist made him haunt us over a decade.
First spell = greatest win % of any Juventus coach, ever.

You're unable to differentiate subjective personal opinion from fact.
 

Clamarc

Senior Member
Sep 26, 2018
1,982
How can someone go from being a supposed "genius" and "master tactician" to not being able to tie his own shoe laces? Stroke, alzheimers?. How can some people talk about it as "Max v1" and "Max v2" as if its not the same person.

There were many instances and long periods during his first time at the club that we also sucked ass and saw the exact same tendencies that we are stuck with now. Although not as bad. Did everyone on here really love what they saw back then ?
Yeah most winning coaches actually have longevity in their career. Lippi, Del Bosque, Ancellotti, Pep, even someone like Mourinho who won with defensive football. We don't see people calling them with Pep 2.0 or Ancellotti 2.0

Allegri is really curious case, he won a lot but then declining really fast.
Was he really great manager or just lucky he had great squad that make him look better?
This is actually genuine question but if someone asking, terms like rewriting history will be thrown around.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,704
Yeah most winning coaches actually have longevity in their career. Lippi, Del Bosque, Ancellotti, Pep, even someone like Mourinho who won with defensive football. We don't see people calling them with Pep 2.0 or Ancellotti 2.0

Allegri is really curious case, he won a lot but then declining really fast.
Was he really great manager or just lucky he had great squad that make him look better?
This is actually genuine question but if someone asking, terms like rewriting history will be thrown around.
Because it is.

No shit does a great squad help, but to dumb down Max' success to that is just stupid. Look how far Conte went with us in the CL, and how far did Max go when he took over?

Or has Pep been the luckiest manager of all time? I mean, he has only ever coached the best squads in the world. I'd love to see him coach current Juventus, but obviously he'd never do that.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,063
Yeah most winning coaches actually have longevity in their career. Lippi, Del Bosque, Ancellotti, Pep, even someone like Mourinho who won with defensive football. We don't see people calling them with Pep 2.0 or Ancellotti 2.0

Allegri is really curious case, he won a lot but then declining really fast.
Was he really great manager or just lucky he had great squad that make him look better?
This is actually genuine question but if someone asking, terms like rewriting history will be thrown around.
There's one massive reason why Allegro's name wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as those aforementioned coaches.

He has never coached outside Italy. Naturally he wouldn't be as highly regarded outside Italy as other big name coaches.

All these big names have coached top teams in top leagues that have a different style and football culture.

He had the chance to establish himself among the elite when Real Madrid offered him the managerial position but probably he was too scared to get the sack and ultimately chose the 'safer' option of remaining in Italy.

It just shows how unambitious he is as a coach and probably why he'll remain a tier 2 coach at best. Only JJ fans will remember him fondly and even that seems to be creating a divisive opinion.
 

MrMonkey

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2017
4,291
Been very busy of late but finally Italia foots did the right thing! I lol they take points away from a team for this stuff instead of just a HEFTY fine. I can’t recall seeing this in US sports? Plus they target the greatest team all-time in their league? Where would they be without Juve!

That’s said and with all the anti-Max here from from posters with me also waffling on it back-and-forth the results Max had gotten speaks for itself! Say what you want about the league being so weak you can only play the teams on your schedule.

We ought to realize no CL title will ever occur in the near future and if it did manager should be given title of Max the Great! MONEY talks, and they’re in the second tier when it comes to that. I say it again. get as many Italian players as possible on roster with some key high-priced star players going forward. Cost-efficient and less likely to leave.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
There's one massive reason why Allegro's name wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as those aforementioned coaches.

He has never coached outside Italy. Naturally he wouldn't be as highly regarded outside Italy as other big name coaches.

All these big names have coached top teams in top leagues that have a different style and football culture.

He had the chance to establish himself among the elite when Real Madrid offered him the managerial position but probably he was too scared to get the sack and ultimately chose the 'safer' option of remaining in Italy.

It just shows how unambitious he is as a coach and probably why he'll remain a tier 2 coach at best. Only JJ fans will remember him fondly and even that seems to be creating a divisive opinion.
One could argue that he'd do better at Real than here. Over there he'd be doing what he does best: motivate the players and cuddle them when needed. Otherwise that battleship needs no coaching which is Allegri's weakness tbh. His strength is management so he's exactly made for that role, like Ancelotti is.

Coming here was a challenge because it's obviously more difficult to rebuild a struggling club, especially with JJ's financial and political issues.

I'm really not convinced he took the easy way.
 

Clamarc

Senior Member
Sep 26, 2018
1,982
Because it is.

No shit does a great squad help, but to dumb down Max' success to that is just stupid. Look how far Conte went with us in the CL, and how far did Max go when he took over?

Or has Pep been the luckiest manager of all time? I mean, he has only ever coached the best squads in the world. I'd love to see him coach current Juventus, but obviously he'd never do that.
Pep is ofc lucky to always blessed with great squad but to his credit he still manages to win with different squads and in different leagues. I mean he proves that he can do it anywhere. Same with another coaches I mentioned. Also their football philosophy doesn't suddenly become outdated in such sort period and they stick with it to keep them winning.
Lesser coach like Sarri or Conte also more or less keep their same level. Conte with their short impact, and Sarri improving provincial club.

This version of Allegri is nowhere near to his 'great' version. Sure our squad also declining but it really raises some question how come Allegri become so really bad now? What makes him really great the first time around but suddenly he become so clueless? It just really strange
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
One could argue that he'd do better at Real than here. Over there he'd be doing what he does best: motivate the players and cuddle them when needed. Otherwise that battleship needs no coaching which is Allegri's weakness tbh. His strength is management so he's exactly made for that role, like Ancelotti is.

Coming here was a challenge because it's obviously more difficult to rebuild a struggling club, especially with JJ's financial and political issues.

I'm really not convinced he took the easy way.
One could more easily argue that he would get shitcanned there after 2 months, and he knew this. Here we are, stuck with this overrated and expensive fraud.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,734
There's one massive reason why Allegro's name wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as those aforementioned coaches.

He has never coached outside Italy. Naturally he wouldn't be as highly regarded outside Italy as other big name coaches.
that argument would put coaches like conte or sarri above someone like lippi or ferguson

allegri should have said yes to real and take that job, everyone would be in a better (or at least not worse) position now
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
One could more easily argue that he would get shitcanned there after 2 months, and he knew this. Here we are, stuck with this overrated and expensive fraud.
Shitcanned based on what? If he brings results, there's no way that happens. It's word vs word now because no one really knows. However I at least took into consideration his strengths and weaknesses, your point is based only on emotional hate.

Real is a juggernaut, it's a completely different job than current JJ.
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
Shitcanned based on what? If he brings results, there's no way that happens. It's word vs word now because no one really knows. However I at least took into consideration his strengths and weaknesses, your point is based only on emotional hate.

Real is a juggernaut, it's a completely different job than current JJ.
He has been raped and humiliated 3 seasons in a row in CL and never won it. His football is cancer to the eyes. Of course he would get shitcanned within a few matches. Their fans actually care about how their team plays on the field and develops game by game.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,063
One could argue that he'd do better at Real than here. Over there he'd be doing what he does best: motivate the players and cuddle them when needed. Otherwise that battleship needs no coaching which is Allegri's weakness tbh. His strength is management so he's exactly made for that role, like Ancelotti is.

Coming here was a challenge because it's obviously more difficult to rebuild a struggling club, especially with JJ's financial and political issues.

I'm really not convinced he took the easy way.
Coaching quite literally the biggest club in the world that demands winning both domestically in Europe should be considered as a challenge no matter what. We are also talking about a guy that never stepped outside Italy.

On the other hand, he was completely familiarized with JJ and the board, had leverage from his first stint after winning so many trophies and he probably overestimated himself that he was going to resurrect JJ by just playing the same way.

And that 'financially struggling club' is still the richest club in the league that has recruited some of the best talents in the league.

I don't disagree that coming to JJ was a challenge but both jobs would've been equally challenging either way in their own respect. Besides the fact he had been completely out of loop from football for 2 years.
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
I was really hoping to see Allegri stepping outside of Italy, as it would have been hilarious to witness him becoming a laughing stock of not only Italy, but all of Europe. But he was smart not to do that. Now he will probably have to retire or coach a midtable Serie A team or join Berna in Toronto.
 

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