Massimiliano Allegri (212 Viewers)

[Strickland]

Yep, it's win the league or out this season. Obviously we need to see how this season develops, but were paying 9mil for a manager who already had a full year of honing tactics and three full transfer windows to build the squad he wants. If the results do not improve, it's time to cut losses and accept that time has blown past him.

I'd be okay with being in the Scudetto race and finishing with 85 or similar points. if Inter or Milan or whoever beats us, but we gave it a good fight, lets accept that, continue building and fuck them up next season.

But also not being 11th in the league in goals scored would be nice. It might sound strange, but I enjoy watching Juve scoring goals and not scoring goals isn't as fun as scoring goals.

 

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[JUVEMOOD]

like Conte did with Pogba back in the day.

FIXED

Allegri does not have itin him to integrate youngs.. he actually thinks you should be mentally aged 28 to play and you must have experience to play..

Just find it funny if we are going to keep them and not play them.. as our team and our mid are not a functional one atm and indications that we are not going to be this season. Unless Pogba alone is going to fix this

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[Scottish]

I'd be okay with being in the Scudetto race and finishing with 85 or similar points. if Inter or Milan or whoever beats us, but we gave it a good fight, lets accept that, continue building and fuck them up next season.

But also not being 11th in the league in goals scored would be nice. It might sound strange, but I enjoy watching Juve scoring goals and not scoring goals isn't as fun as scoring goals.

Yeah considering our injuries I'll settle for a challenge this year and call it not bad.

Having said that, the lack of a midfield is what's really kneecapping our play, and as we all saw on Monday that's a literal lack, tactically we have no midfield. Utterly bizarre. And we have three talented youngsters who could burst through, maybe save our season and save us transfer money if they turn out to be good enough.

Even missing so many key players Max has enough to work with to get us through the injury crisis. If he doesn't manage to put something together it's 100% on him because we know he's capable, so if he doesn't he clearly just can't be bothered

 

[Spigy]

Why call people trolls just because of a different opinion. I personally say that I was critical of Allegri even in his first stint. We were successful only because we had exceptional players. It was always individual magic that got us anywhere, the only tactic that Allegri put in the team is crowding the box in defense and of course hold on to the ball at all cost.
As players left, he forced players to switch positions to try and replicate the previous team. Over the years, individual magic was provided by less and less players and with no team tactic to fall back on, we are getting less and less results.

Sarri and Pirlo didn't have a team or time for that matter. This situation is also the board's fault and they made another mistake thinking it was the lack of Allegri that was the problem. Agnelli decided to focus on the brand instead of the club with all the commercial deals and signing of Ronaldo (which also caused Marotta to leave) and we have been on the decline ever since.

You can delude yourselves and think Allegri was the reason we were CL finalists or simply accept the fact that we had one of the strongest squads in Europe.

 

[Amer]

He seemed very satisfied with the team he got this summer. He said it multiple time.

But you could just feel that we were thin on the flanks, even after Kostic arrived.

One injury into the season (Di Maria) and we can't even create anything for Vlahovic in the second game of the season.

This is quite worrying.

We'll see how will things develop but I still think we don't have enough quality on the flanks, at least until Chiesa returns in January.

 

[campionesidd]

Why call people trolls just because of a different opinion. I personally say that I was critical of Allegri even in his first stint. We were successful only because we had exceptional players. It was always individual magic that got us anywhere, the only tactic that Allegri put in the team is crowding the box in defense and of course hold on to the ball at all cost.
As players left, he forced players to switch positions to try and replicate the previous team. Over the years, individual magic was provided by less and less players and with no team tactic to fall back on, we are getting less and less results.

Sarri and Pirlo didn't have a team or time for that matter. This situation is also the board's fault and they made another mistake thinking it was the lack of Allegri that was the problem. Agnelli decided to focus on the brand instead of the club with all the commercial deals and signing of Ronaldo (which also caused Marotta to leave) and we have been on the decline ever since.

You can delude yourselves and think Allegri was the reason we were CL finalists or simply accept the fact that we had one of the strongest squads in Europe.

And this is why I can never take Tuz seriously.
Allegri is clearly past his best, but that suddenly erases his previous achievements with the club?
Antonio Conte couldn’t even reach the CL knockouts with this superstar team you talk about. Yes, that team was excellent, but the midfield was dismantled just a year after Allegri joined, and he had to come up with a way of winning even with a mediocre midfield, and he did. Our highest scoring season in the league since 1960 was with Allegri (in 2017-18). We had the most possession and shots in most of our games. It was only in 2018-19 when Allegriball became a thing and we became overly reliant on Ronaldo (which was an issue under Sarri and Pirlo too btw)
People here have shorter memories than a goldfish.

 

[Lion]

And this is why I can never take Tuz seriously.
Allegri is clearly past his best, but that suddenly erases his previous achievements with the club?
Antonio Conte couldn’t even reach the CL knockouts with this superstar team you talk about. Yes, that team was excellent, but the midfield was dismantled just a year after Allegri joined, and he had to come up with a way of winning even with a mediocre midfield, and he did. Our highest scoring season in the league since 1960 was with Allegri (in 2017-18). We had the most possession and shots in most of our games. It was only in 2018-19 when Allegriball became a thing and we became overly reliant on Ronaldo (which was an issue under Sarri and Pirlo too btw)
People here have shorter memories than a goldfish.

no one cares about the past. perform now or STREET. this is the corporate life.

 

[IliveForJuve]

I come here for my daily dose of Allegri hate

 

[Bjerknes]

no one cares about the past. perform now or STREET. this is the corporate life.

The people that keep holding onto the past are the reason why we’re in this mess in the first place. They’re too stupid to realize it.

 

[campionesidd]

The people that keep holding onto the past are the reason why we’re in this mess in the first place. They’re too stupid to realize it.

My first sentence was that he is past his best. I just don’t agree with revisionist history.

 

[Juventinoo]

We are in circus since very long ...

Many supported Allegri when we were a winners even in the ugliest ways
then Many started to call his head once results dried out ....we got Sarri , Pirlo
When Allegri was Fired ...Many blamed every single fly on earth for our chaos because we fired him
Now he is under so much fire because he cant deliver like before ....when his return was a public demand ...now his termination become a one ...

Let's face it this team lost it since our Madrid loss to CL Final ...nothing works ..nothing even nearly to our past ...
we tried to copy the past but seems also not working ...

The only thing i will say that is proved previously as a pattern among previous years

You can't expect a team to click right away with too many changes ...we changed a lot , really a lot , Manager , Players , Coach ....maybe except the healthcare takers

I would say ...give this team a time wherever Allegri's or another coach ...give this team time gel ...lower your expectations ....we will have up and down pattern until sometime ....

because another surgical changes will lead to more rough times ....

 

[Spigy]

My first sentence was that he is past his best. I just don’t agree with revisionist history.

You like to quote stats, but possession gets us nowhere. If you actually watch the matches, you saw that there was no idea going forward. Out to the side and into the box and that's it. You also forget that midfield is one thing, we had a world class defense which got us many points. As I said, it was not Allegri's achievements. It was achieved for him.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

I come here for my daily dose of Allegri hate

Lol

Probably unconsciously same hahaha

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[.zero]

The people that keep holding onto the past are the reason why we’re in this mess in the first place. They’re too stupid to realize it.

Ironic when Agnelli set the club motto to “live ahead”

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

We're 'living ahead' alright

Barca & Juve decided to collapse 10 years before the rest of the world's economy will. Visionaries.

 

[Hydde]

Nah it wasn't that impeccable... Remember the home game against Bayern in 2016? It was in 2016, so it was between the 2 CL finals, in other words it was in the so called EuroMax era of brilliance, or so they said...

But the signs of his cluelessness was already displayed in that single game, where Bayern's CBs at that match could step into our own half freely passing the ball to their team mates... We couldn't pass the ball properly throughout the match and looking clueless...

Yes it was against guradiola's Bayern... But that should never excuse our own team cluelessness playing at our own home...

But also it wasn't just that game against a guradiola's team, in the next few seasons we would have similar matches in Europe where we looked clueless, or not even in Europe but also in Italy, there were matches like those, many fans lauded those kind of games as defensive master classes by the team and Allegri but in reality we were just clueless at going forward and forced to sit back hanging on the ropes...

That's where the overall trajectory of the club performances aligned with the kind of players that we got, so yeah it's not 100% Allegri's fault... Going from mvpp midfielders to Pjanic Khedira Mandzukic quads to what we have in the last few years... But the thing is, post Cardiff, Allegri's main weakness got exposed more and more to the point of where we at today.

Allegri's coaching style has no attacking curriculum in it.

Why do you think he got a melt down against journalists back then? Because somewhere deep down he himself knew that.

It got to the point where even random foreign tv commentators were laughing at his in matches tactics and coaching decisions...

All because somehow after all those years spent as a top coach, he's still unable to formulate any kind of proper attacking curriculum for his players... So naturally he prefers to defend leads no matter what players we have and against what team we face...

Last season coppa final was just another demonstration of that weakness and mentality.

Lol, so much truth in this post, yet the usual zealots treat him as a troll.

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Why call people trolls just because of a different opinion. I personally say that I was critical of Allegri even in his first stint. We were successful only because we had exceptional players. It was always individual magic that got us anywhere, the only tactic that Allegri put in the team is crowding the box in defense and of course hold on to the ball at all cost.
As players left, he forced players to switch positions to try and replicate the previous team. Over the years, individual magic was provided by less and less players and with no team tactic to fall back on, we are getting less and less results.

Sarri and Pirlo didn't have a team or time for that matter. This situation is also the board's fault and they made another mistake thinking it was the lack of Allegri that was the problem. Agnelli decided to focus on the brand instead of the club with all the commercial deals and signing of Ronaldo (which also caused Marotta to leave) and we have been on the decline ever since.

You can delude yourselves and think Allegri was the reason we were CL finalists or simply accept the fact that we had one of the strongest squads in Europe.

Thats what they do, its a like a politycal call center. I think they get paid. Because no sane person would deny all of whats going on with a straight face.

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We are in circus since very long ...

Many supported Allegri when we were a winners even in the ugliest ways
then Many started to call his head once results dried out ....we got Sarri , Pirlo
When Allegri was Fired ...Many blamed every single fly on earth for our chaos because we fired him
Now he is under so much fire because he cant deliver like before ....when his return was a public demand ...now his termination become a one ...

Let's face it this team lost it since our Madrid loss to CL Final ...nothing works ..nothing even nearly to our past ...
we tried to copy the past but seems also not working ...

The only thing i will say that is proved previously as a pattern among previous years

You can't expect a team to click right away with too many changes ...we changed a lot , really a lot , Manager , Players , Coach ....maybe except the healthcare takers

I would say ...give this team a time wherever Allegri's or another coach ...give this team time gel ...lower your expectations ....we will have up and down pattern until sometime ....

because another surgical changes will lead to more rough times ....

Agree with all of this, but sincerely i would let this team gel but under another foreign coach with fresh ideas. In that ill agree.

No more italian coaches plz (ancelotti being the exception because its obvious the guy knows how to win)

 

[icemaη]

You like to quote stats, but possession gets us nowhere. If you actually watch the matches, you saw that there was no idea going forward. Out to the side and into the box and that's it. You also forget that midfield is one thing, we had a world class defense which got us many points. As I said, it was not Allegri's achievements. It was achieved for him.

Ah, the individual brilliance argument. Good times

 

[rainhard]

It is crazy to ignore that Allegri is highly dependant on individual brilliance. Pogba and Di Maria injured,then we saw the same shit all over again if not worse

 

[IlCapitano]

Ah, the individual brilliance argument. Good times

He ruins individuals and individuals saved him in the same breath

 

[maxi]

Lol, how could it not be more obvious that he is dependant on individual brilliance? You take Di Maria out of the squad for one game and this team falls apart immediately.