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kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,469
The obvious: The main cause of problems in our team has been injuries. We have made signings over the summer to improve us in various weak spots. Di Maria, Pogba and Bremer are top signings. But it doesn't matter who you get if they're gonna get injured.

Having said that, it's Allegri's job to manage the team. That includes man management ie keeping morale high, keeping the players happy etc etc. It also includes identifying the most effective way to assemble the available players into a formation of 11 with the tactics best suited to neutralise, stifle and ultimately overwhelm whoever our opponents are.

Can we blame the injuries for this awful showing tonight? Honestly no. Yes we were missing 5 starters - Wojtek, Bonucci, Pogba, Di Maria and Chiesa. Pogba as mezzala would contribute exactly what our midfield was sorely missing tonight. We saw what Di Maria offers up front, and Chiesa is one of the most exciting talents in the world atm. Even Bonucci at the back playing those passes instead of Rugani.

But if you think Allegri didn't have enough pieces to figure out a win tonight you know less about football than I do. A squad with Cuadrado and Kostic on the wings, Vlahovic up front and Locatelli in the middle can't create a single decent goalscoring chance? There's only one direction to point the finger for this game, and it's at Allegri.

There are a lot of huge tells. The late subs, the reluctance to throw Mirretti on from the start instead of a Rabiot we were trying to push out the door 5 days ago. Rugani still playing those long balls as well shows a tactical laziness. It's a copy/paste job. It really looks like no thought went into this at all.

The other part of Allegri's job as I see it is to stamp his brand on our play. In other words to give us an identity. We honestly have none whatsoever. He's supposed to provide leadership, and all of our players looked lost for most of the game. I haven't seen that since the Del Neri year, where the plan was to piss about and hope Krasic created something good. This year it looks like Di Maria will be that guy.

Locatelli was dropping back to get possession as Sampdoria were pressing high and effectively, but he was dropping back to CB in a back three. He was literally deeper than anybody else, and doing so when we had possession! "What was he thinking?" is the obvious question, but a better one is "Why did Allegri not shout at him to take possession and drive forward?" is a better one.

We have no identifiable gameplan, no identity, no swagger, no attitude and no ideas. Allegri is a top manager, make no mistake. He took what Conte built and took it to the next level. Threw out the 352 and built a brilliant 4312, and then after losing key players adapted into the excellent lopsided Cardiff formation - taking established WC CFs and making them into LMs and shit like that.

Perhaps he has an idea in his mind and is waiting for the injuries to be over with to implement it but that is nonsensical. We hired him because he's good, and part of what brought him success as Juve manager was his adaptability. We need that, and we need it now. Whatever his ideas are we're playing with they're shite and we need new ones. I'm sure he's as frustrated as us, and I'm sure he knows he needs to do better - but the changes need to be for the Roma game. Or this season is already gone.

Do your fucking job, Allegri. Fix this.

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Great analysis :tup:

He has to grow some balls and stop playing undeserving fossils.
Rabiot finishing the game is a disgrace.
It's over for him. He doesn't look like he has a clue how to fix the team.
It's STREET time or at maximum 3rd place.
We can't be thinking about the scudetto after this showing.
 

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Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
88,993
He had way too much time and there's barely any improvement. Waiting for the season to end won't be of any help. "I'd fire him if we don't qualify for the CL" is pure BS. We'll just be tortured for the whole year. Why not bring someone that can gel with the team and figure out who to buy in January/next summer instead of having faith in Allegri who's literally mediocre at this point. What a huge disappointment. I had such hopes when we brought him back. He's not a type of coach that can build a team and I have no freaking idea why we keep repeating the same mistake with "give him more time" while our squad gets crippled due to faulty ideas.

Such a pity we didn't get a new coach this summer. Somebody that has balls, hunger and somebody that knows how to motivate our players.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
Great analysis :tup:

He has to grow some balls and stop playing undeserving fossils.
Rabiot finishing the game is a disgrace.
It's over for him. He doesn't look like he has a clue how to fix the team.
It's STREET time or at maximum 3rd place.
We can't be thinking about the scudetto after this showing.
Calma the season begins in March.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
It’s like he thinks we still have prime Chiellini, Barzagli and Bonucci building out from the back and passing it around waiting for the right moment to penetrate while in reality in the first half we were defending with 3 CB’s block consisting of Rugani - Bremer - AlexSandro plus Danillo as RWB and we had no clue what we are doing when having the ball, nobody in their right mind could have ever thought lining up that way could have given us any sort of advantage…
 

Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
14,300
With the players available tonight it was hardly surprising that it wasn't much different to last year.

But a midfield with Rabiot and McKennie played exactly as you'd expect. No creativity and lack of passing the ball around. Miretti and Rovella both showed they can add this and are willing to be the guys to spark something despite their lack of experience. We are approaching the point where it is going to be hard to defend not having one of them from the start, if we aren't there already.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
Very worrying as it seems we are repeating the same experiments and mistakes from last season, i’m trying to keep my calm and still hope we can work something out in this last week of mercatto but expectations after today have hit a new low for me because Max himself has also been very uninspired so far.
 

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,536
Honestly I would sack him right now and bring in a new coach. We just came off a horrible season and the gas was already low before this season started. We just witnessed a second game of awful football. We must demand MUCH more than what we have right now. No excuses
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
With the players available tonight it was hardly surprising that it wasn't much different to last year.

But a midfield with Rabiot and McKennie played exactly as you'd expect. No creativity and lack of passing the ball around. Miretti and Rovella both showed they can add this and are willing to be the guys to spark something despite their lack of experience. We are approaching the point where it is going to be hard to defend not having one of them from the start, if we aren't there already.
Yeah I think Locatelli is getting worse in regista position certainly Miretti and Rovella need to start. Also Missing Paredes Pogba and Di Maria our creativity is back to zero .
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
He has 3 young and talented mids and as soon as 2 of them got on, we started pushing forward. Rovella and Miretti showed more in those final minutes than Rabiot has in the entire last season. But for the most of the match he plays it safe with 'experienced' ones that lack any kind of end product and unless we start dropping more points, this wont change.
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,233
Great analysis :tup:

He has to grow some balls and stop playing undeserving fossils.
Rabiot finishing the game is a disgrace.
It's over for him. He doesn't look like he has a clue how to fix the team.
It's STREET time or at maximum 3rd place.
We can't be thinking about the scudetto after this showing.
We can't be thinking about the Scudetto for as long as we keep playing like this, but my point is that it's Allegri's job to look at tonight and think of a way to deploy the same players in such a way that can win the scudetto. Even with the injuries we should breeze to top 4 with the squad we have, and with an effective setup should challenge for top spot. And he's historically been good at figuring shit like this out- it's where he's found success for us in the past. The Conte team was grey and kinda dull to watch, and he brought imagination and unlocked what was blocking us.

He's not dumb and he's not blind. He knows this is his fault. He saw the difference the younger ones made when coming on same as we did. I trust he will make the appropriate changes to our first 11 for Roma. Their style of play is aggressive and forward-thinking. We need to either play a counter game (like tonight) or press them up high to prevent their attacks from starting. I prefer the second but it's Allegri's job to decide which is more likely to get us 3 points, which is ultimately what I care about.
 

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