Massimiliano Allegri (425 Viewers)

[Hist]

Check the Vlahovic thread for correct stats about his goal per game ratio. Pretty much equal, if u exclude penalty goals since he doesnt take them at Juve. So this is just another myth about players getting ruined here....

And if you exclude the fact that's its much more difficult to maintain a good ratio over a long period. Ratio without the context of number of minutes or matches is misleading. Goal per game ratio in 1 game is not the same as 10 in 10 or 30 in 30.

Kulusevskis goal/assist ratio is insane right now, the question is whether he can remain close to that over a long period. Otherwise we'd be already considering him an elite player

 

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[Vlad]

And if you exclude the fact that's its much more difficult to maintain a good ratio over a long period. Ratio without the context of number of minutes or matches is misleading. Goal per game ratio in 1 game is not the same as 10 in 10 or 30 in 30.

Kulusevskis goal/assist ratio is insane right now, the question is whether he can remain close to that over a long period. Otherwise we'd be already considering him an elite player

Vlahovic has played 15 Serie A games for us so its not 1 game or few games that could skew the figure in our favor. Hence your example is invalid, like most of your troll posts.

 

[campionesidd]

And if you exclude the fact that's its much more difficult to maintain a good ratio over a long period. Ratio without the context of number of minutes or matches is misleading. Goal per game ratio in 1 game is not the same as 10 in 10 or 30 in 30.

Kulusevskis goal/assist ratio is insane right now, the question is whether he can remain close to that over a long period. Otherwise we'd be already considering him an elite player

Kulusevski was dogshit under Pirlo too, but you conveniently leave that out because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

 

[Hist]

Kulusevski was dogshit under Pirlo too, but you conveniently leave that out because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

What's the supposed narrative here? You do realize I am saying he likely won't keep up this ratio over a long period right?

 

[campionesidd]

What's the supposed narrative here? You do realize I am saying he likely won't keep up this ratio over a long period right?

The narrative that Allegri ruins players.

 

[juve123]

I thought this thread would be quite for the next few months but here it is the same arguments 100 times repeated by the wannabe Rus imposters.

 

[Hist]

Vlahovic has played 15 Serie A games for us so its not 1 game or few games that could skew the figure in our favor. Hence your example is invalid, like most of your troll posts.

Boy you are literal so let me spell it out for you.

Kulu or Vlahovic, easier to maintain a good ratio over 15 games than over a whole season or two.

So Vlahovic/Kulu maintaining close to the same ratio in 15 games is not the same as him having this ratio over a season +

It's basic data literacy

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The narrative that Allegri ruins players.

Pirlo not getting the best out of him/the team either is in conflict with this point how?

You do realize Pirlo failed too right?

 

[campionesidd]

I thought this thread would be quite for the next few months but here it is the same arguments 100 times repeated by the wannabe Rus imposters.

Did RUS get banned?

 

[juve123]

Did RUS get banned?

Obviously he was celebrating Italiano tactical masterclass against Allegri but little did he knew that he would be banned for his excessive celebration.

 

[Vlad]

Boy you are literal so let me spell it out for you.

Kulu or Vlahovic, easier to maintain a good ratio over 15 games than over a whole season or two.

So Vlahovic/Kulu maintaining close to the same ratio in 15 games is not the same as him having this ratio over a season +

It's basic data literacy

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Pirlo not getting the best out of him/the team either is in conflict with this point how?

You do realize Pirlo failed too right?

Your point, that u kept parroting in every thread, is that Allegri ruins players. Nothing in Vlahovic' case would suggest that so far. When figures arent in your favor then they are out of context ..

 

[JCK]

Imagine being a Juve fan that admires Pioli for winning a Serie A title and shit on the manager that won five in a row. WITH YOUR OWN TEAM

 

[campionesidd]

Boy you are literal so let me spell it out for you.

Kulu or Vlahovic, easier to maintain a good ratio over 15 games than over a whole season or two.

So Vlahovic/Kulu maintaining close to the same ratio in 15 games is not the same as him having this ratio over a season +

It's basic data literacy

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Pirlo not getting the best out of him/the team either is in conflict with this point how?

You do realize Pirlo failed too right?

The point is, Kulusevski is irrelevant to this discussion. Wingers always get superior goal and assist numbers in the PL because there is so much space to exploit.

 

[juve_juve_juve]

The point is, Kulusevski is irrelevant to this discussion. Wingers always get superior goal and assist numbers in the PL because there is so much space to exploit.

Just like the argument that Messi and CR7 were stats padders because they played in mickey mouse laliga that has no defending?

But somehow the superior defense serie a teams more often than not got absolutely wrecked when they met those teams (laliga and EPL) and has been that way in more than a decade.

 

[Adrian]

Imagine being a Juve fan that admires Pioli for winning a Serie A title and shit on the manager that won five in a row. WITH YOUR OWN TEAM

Amazing right!!!

I used to have a football coach who would tell me "you are only as good as your last game". I guess many think Allegri is only as good as his last season.

 

[Bianconero81]

Amazing right!!!

I used to have a football coach who would tell me "you are only as good as your last game". I guess many think Allegri is only as good as his last season.

He gets a pass because of his storied history here, but another season like this one and he should rightfully be sacked - not only him though. The whole board should be fired and held accountable if we endure another season like this. Three years of abject failure and absolute mediocrity cannot be tolerated at a club like Juventus.

 

[Post Ironic]

Imagine being a Juve fan that admires Pioli for winning a Serie A title and shit on the manager that won five in a row. WITH YOUR OWN TEAM

It’s so fecking bizarre to witness this nonsense. Like zero shame or self-respect to be going on about Pioli-ball, Italianoball, Artetaball, Xaviball, while non-stop shitting on a coach who won 11 trophies for his own club in 5 years

 

[Vialli_92]

Allegri is just a bandage on a wound, problem is the bandage wasn't big enough for the wound this season. Management have run this club into the ground in the last seasons 5-6 seasons tearing this team apart and replacing it with inferior players. The whole club is run terribly.

 

[Post Ironic]

Boy you are literal so let me spell it out for you.

Kulu or Vlahovic, easier to maintain a good ratio over 15 games than over a whole season or two.

So Vlahovic/Kulu maintaining close to the same ratio in 15 games is not the same as him having this ratio over a season +

It's basic data literacy

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Pirlo not getting the best out of him/the team either is in conflict with this point how?

You do realize Pirlo failed too right?

Why do you keep saying this about Vlahovic? He played 21 games at Viola this year in the league. 15 games here. It’s not at all unreasonable to compare those two periods. And his non-penalty goals/90 was nearly identical/marginally better here at Juve. 0.59 vs 0.58. Add to this no preseason, came into a side with an injury crisis, a side missing its best attacker/best chance creator for the entire time he’s been here. All reasons to be optimistic about Vlahovic for next year. But if him not scoring a bunch of penalties here has you believing he flopped go right ahead I guess.

If on the other hand you would like more evidence that he didn’t regress here and we can be optimistic? I can provide that.

His non-penalty xGoals climbed from 0.39 at Viola to 0.45 at Juve. His shots/90 climbed from 3.34 at Viola to 3.76 at Juve. His shots on target/90 climbed from 1.31 at Viola to 1.67 at Juve. His average distance from goal/shot dropped from 16.2 yards at Viola to 13.9 yards at Juve. His shot on target percentage climbed from 39% at Viola to 44% at Juve.

To summarize, he scored more non-penalty goals/90 here. His expected goals were higher here. He took more shots and from closer to goal. He put more shots on target and a higher percentage of his overall shots were on target.

All these things point to success imo. But to each their own.

 

[AOD4]

One thing with Allegri , he seems to fail to integrate young attacking talents, we see him selling Coman and Kulu . Chiesa also struggling under him.
Its dissapointing to get these players, but failed to be handled by the coach

 

[campionesidd]

One thing with Allegri , he seems to fail to integrate young attacking talents, we see him selling Coman and Kulu . Chiesa also struggling under him.
Its dissapointing to get these players, but failed to be handled by the coach

That’s a lazy stereotype.
Pogba, Dybala, Bentancur, Morata (first spell) all flourished under Allegri. Even Berna was actually decent in his first 2 seasons at Juve.
De Ligt and Locatelli had good seasons this year and Miretti got minutes near the end.
Chiesa should’ve been rested more, he had been playing every game for Juve, Fiorentina and Italy in the year or two preceding his injury.
As for Kulu, he was dogshit under Pirlo too.
And Coman is nothing special, he’s spent most of his time at Bayern on the bench.