Massimiliano Allegri (235 Viewers)

[MikeM]

Look above.

Yes to a certain degree there's randomness. But look at this year in the EPL. The most PKs received are Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.

 

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[Post Ironic]

MikeM turning into a RUS level poster. Allegri Derangement Syndrome is a powerful thing.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

MikeM turning into a RUS level poster. Allegri Derangement Syndrome is a powerful thing.

Sure, because statistics are important. And we don't live by achievements from the past like you do.

 

[s4tch]

Yes to a certain degree there's randomness. But look at this year in the EPL. The most PKs received are Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.

since november, so in the last 18 rounds we got 1 penalty awarded (against samp, by valeri; he only had 2 assignments ever since lol). even the most obvious ones aren't given for juve. it has nothing to do with tactics, we simply stopped getting them. just some italian specialty we have to deal with.

 

[il brutto]

Yes to a certain degree there's randomness. But look at this year in the EPL. The most PKs received are Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.

And Crystal Palace.

I was referring to the part where they wrote "there is no correlation between how many touches a team has in the opposition box and how many penalties they get". Discrediting the point you tried to make.

 

[Strickland]

since november, so in the last 18 rounds we got 1 penalty awarded (against samp, by valeri; he only had 2 assignments ever since lol). even the most obvious ones aren't given for juve. it has nothing to do with tactics, we simply stopped getting them. just some italian specialty we have to deal with.

So what are you saying, refs are actively whistling against Juventus, its a conspiracy carried out by all the refs in Italy and Valeri is the victim for not following orders?

 

[s4tch]

So what are you saying, refs are actively whistling against Juventus, its a conspiracy carried out by all the refs in Italy?

"so you're saying" followed by something i didn't say

i said we were awarded 1 single penalty in 18 rounds, and didn't get obvious penalties. make anything you want out of it.

 

[MikeM]

And Crystal Palace.

I was referring to the part where they wrote "there is no correlation between how many touches a team has in the opposition box and how many penalties they get". Discrediting the point you tried to make.

I don't feel it's that discredited when the top 4 teams literally are the top 4 teams also in PKs received. Yes also there will be a random moment where a shit team ranks high, of course.

 

[Hist]

"so you're saying" followed by something i didn't say

i said we were awarded 1 single penalty in 18 rounds, and didn't get obvious penalties. make anything you want out of it.

Conspiracy against max for sure

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

on average, the more possession you have - the more penalties you receive. and then there are other factors like randomness and luck.

 

[s4tch]

Sure, because statistics are important. And we don't live by achievements from the past like you do.

would you have fired guardiola after his first failed season at city? or when he lost the league title in his 4th year, based on your past achievements don't matter bs? klopp after 1-2-3 seasons when he failed to make any visible progress?

 

[Strickland]

"so you're saying" followed by something i didn't say

i said we were awarded 1 single penalty in 18 rounds, and didn't get obvious penalties. make anything you want out of it.

To me it sounded like you implied the following, so thats the reason I asked to confirm whether thats what youre saying between the lines. If you just wanted to post stats, carry on.

Imo over a long period of time the more non-penalty goals you score, the more penalties youll get. We dont create a lot of chances, dont score a lot of goals and dont get a lot of penalties, nothing strange there. Sure there have been a couple of incidents in the past few months, but I dont think theres some antijuve movement by the refs.

 

[il brutto]

I don't feel it's that discredited when the top 4 teams literally are the top 4 teams also in PKs received. Yes also there will be a random moment where a shit team ranks high, of course.

Show me the correlation between touches in the box and the amount of penalties then, those guys couldn't find it.

Could there perhaps be other factors in play? Could it actually be that there are multiple factors that determine the amount of penalties a team gets in any given season? I'm not arguing against the idea that usually it's the bigger teams that get more penalties than the Venezia's of the world. I'm arguing that it's more complex than just looking at touches int the opposition box.

 

[MikeM]

Show me the correlation between touches in the box and the amount of penalties then, those guys couldn't find it.

Could there perhaps be other factors in play? Could it actually be that there are multiple factors that determine the amount a team gets in any given season? I'm not arguing against the idea that usually it's the bigger teams that get more penalties than the Venezia's of the world. I'm arguing that it's more complex than just looking at touches int the opposition box.

Well not all touches are created equal either. Like if you told me Sarri's team didn't generate a lot of PKs with so many touches, I could believe that lol.

I'm guessing the impetus to beat an opponent instead of pass would contribute to PKs. Not having Dybala get a ton of touches in the box, probably hurts PK generation for example.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

To me it sounded like you implied the following, so thats the reason I asked to confirm whether thats what youre saying between the lines. If you just wanted to post stats, carry on.

Imo over a long period of time the more non-penalty goals you score, the more penalties youll get. We dont create a lot of chances, dont score a lot of goals and dont get a lot of penalties, nothing strange there. Sure there have been a couple of incidents in the past few months, but I dont think theres some antijuve movement by the refs.

Lol the denial, there's an antijuve movement in the whole of italian football. Also your analysis of the correlation is rus level simplistic.

 

[s4tch]

To me it sounded like you implied the following, so thats the reason I asked to confirm whether thats what youre saying between the lines. If you just wanted to post stats, carry on.

Imo over a long period of time the more non-penalty goals you score, the more penalties youll get. We dont create a lot of chances, dont score a lot of goals and dont get a lot of penalties, nothing strange there. Sure there have been a couple of incidents in the past few months, but I dont think theres some antijuve movement by the refs.

first 15 rounds: 5 penalties for juve
last 18 rounds: 1 penalty for juve

you're smart, please explain. feel free to use xg

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

would you have fired guardiola after his first failed season at city? or when he lost the league title in his 4th year, based on your past achievements don't matter bs? klopp after 1-2-3 seasons when he failed to make any visible progress?

1) If i'd set the goal that i need the EPL title in the 1st season from him then yes but they didn't have that goal back then, they gave him 3 year contract to build the very new city under his philosophy.
2) why would i fire the coach that was able to win so many trophies just because he finished 2nd and lost to one of the greatest sides in the history of the EPL?
3) In the terms of results Klopp has never failed in Liverpool, if anything he is overachieving there since the day he was hired.

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Show me the correlation between touches in the box and the amount of penalties then, those guys couldn't find it.

Could there perhaps be other factors in play? Could it actually be that there are multiple factors that determine the amount of penalties a team gets in any given season? I'm not arguing against the idea that usually it's the bigger teams that get more penalties than the Venezia's of the world. I'm arguing that it's more complex than just looking at touches int the opposition box.

I've showed you above that on average the squads with more possession receives more penalties. what the fuck touches inside the box have in common with penalties? You've might spam shots on goal or low/high crosses inside the box and get penalties for handballs, fouls WITHOUT having any touches inside the box

 

[Post Ironic]

So what are you saying, refs are actively whistling against Juventus, its a conspiracy carried out by all the refs in Italy and Valeri is the victim for not following orders?

Would it be that out of the realm of possibility seeing as one of our chief rivals manufactured a fake scandal only 15 years ago that saw our club stripped of two titles, relegated to B, and almost financially destroyed. Were you one of the Ians, laughing about the notion it might be a conspiracy?

Given the super league fiasco, uefa’s continued attempts to levy punitive measures against the club against EU anti-trust laws, and the comments FIGC and the League made about this club at the time, would it really be that shocking if refs were told Not give Juve the benefit of the doubt on debatable decisions? Which already happens to some extent because of the Italy wide outcry every time a 50/50 decision goes in our favour?

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1) If i'd set the goal that i need the EPL title in the 1st season from him then yes but they didn't have that goal back then, they gave him 3 year contract to build the very new city under his philosophy.
2) why would i fire the coach that was able to win so many trophies just because he finished 2nd and lost to one of the greatest sides in the history of the EPL?
3) In the terms of results Klopp has never failed in Liverpool, if anything he is overachieving there since the day he was hired.

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I've showed you above that on average the squads with more possession receives more penalties. what the fuck touches inside the box have in common with penalties? You've might spam shots on goal or low/high crosses inside the box and get penalties for handballs, fouls WITHOUT having any touches inside the box

This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve read on Tuz.

 

[s4tch]

2) why would i fire the coach that was able to win so many trophies just because he finished 2nd and lost to one of the greatest sides in the history of the EPL?

clear and undeniable regression, underachieving squad? look at their ppg for that season, compare it to the previous few seasons

 

[Strickland]

Lol the denial, there's an antijuve movement in the whole of italian football. Also your analysis of the correlation is rus level simplistic.

Its hardly an analysis, I agree, dont have the time to write a thesis on the subject.

As for antijuve movement - I dont see it. Most you could convince me of was a certain bias that stems from being "hated" by most of the opposing Italian teams and their fans, but I dont see the basis to suggest refs are systematically sabotaging Juventus. If they are, theyre doing a poor job.