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MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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Fair enough. But even then I’d say it was mostly Rabbit and Arthur sitting on top of the CBs to defend. Zakarias was often pressing just behind the forwards.
The thing is just having the DM in the centre, even if it's Arthur, is better IMO. One guy in the centre, even if he's just a body, and then one on each side, I just think it's safer.

Usually with the 2 CM setup, I find the CBs more uncovered.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,658
People were criticising our midfielders but I thought they did the best they could with three strikers ahead of them. Even Arthur killed himself. I honestly think the shape of 3 CMs directly on top of the defence is better than 4 midfielders, but only 2 on top of the defence.

As always 4-3-3 is masterrace though.
that criticism was valid in the opening couple of minutes as they were all over the place. what was even more surprising than the mids decent performance is the defensive contribution of the attackers. dybala with 4 tackles, i mean wtf really, morata with 2 tackles 1 interception and endless pressing until he was subbed out. they made our mids look even better. for arthur it must be easier to run his lungs out when he sees morata and vlahovic doing the same.

as for the 4-3-3 vs. anything else, with allegri you rarely have vanilla formations so i stopped worrying about it too much. today we played 4-3-something.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
Says tons about how shitty Allegri considers our normal line-up when he starts both newcomers.
Hunger, drive and energy. We have been in a negative headspace since Ronaldo left, these signings can transform the mood at the club and with that the results. Hopefully the first of many wins
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
The thing is just having the DM in the centre, even if it's Arthur, is better IMO. One guy in the centre, even if he's just a body, and then one on each side, I just think it's safer.

Usually with the 2 CM setup, I find the CBs more uncovered.
True. And we didn’t give them all the space to attack through the middle of the pitch that we’ve had a tendency to do all season with the 4-4-2 of ours. Pushed them wider through much of the match and when they tried to go into the middle it was broken up pretty quickly most often.

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Even Verona's coach said after the game, they held the ball well but didnt pose much threat going forward...
They had tons of great goalscoring chances. What are you talking about?!? :andy2:
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,847
that criticism was valid in the opening couple of minutes as they were all over the place. what was even more surprising than the mids decent performance is the defensive contribution of the attackers. dybala with 4 tackles, i mean wtf really, morata with 2 tackles 1 interception and endless pressing until he was subbed out. they made our mids look even better. for arthur it must be easier to run his lungs out when he sees morata and vlahovic doing the same.

as for the 4-3-3 vs. anything else, with allegri you rarely have vanilla formations so i stopped worrying about it too much. today we played 4-3-something.
Our midfielders are never going to look good IMO. Our team is not compact enough. I wish our back line would come up a bit higher when our forwards are pressing. Our mids are really left in a lot of space.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,658
Our midfielders are never going to look good IMO. Our team is not compact enough. I wish our back line would come up a bit higher when our forwards are pressing. Our mids are really left in a lot of space.
well i can actually see a decent run with loca, zakaria and either of arthur and mckennie. too bad wes is such a shit passer and arthur is so inconsistent. fixing either of those issues would make us look miles better - provided zakaria can repeat these performances 4-5 times per month. (i don't mean the goal, that was an added bonus.) also, today's rabiot was literally the real rabiot finally @Bjerknes , he actually used his physique a lot.

as for the defenders, we can't really move much further up, you don't want chiellini (or for that matter, any of our defenders bar cuadrado) chase a counter attacking opposition. we have some slow defenders, and whenever we moved our defense further up the pitch with either sarri or pirlo we looked slow to react to counters. and a juve not able to stop counters is simply dumb. if we can create so many goal scoring opportunities while risking next to nothing in front of our goal i can live with that. unless arthur miraculously turns into prime pjanic, that is. a more confident holding game could boost our chances of playing higher.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,847
well i can actually see a decent run with loca, zakaria and either of arthur and mckennie. too bad wes is such a shit passer and arthur is so inconsistent. fixing either of those issues would make us look miles better - provided zakaria can repeat these performances 4-5 times per month. (i don't mean the goal, that was an added bonus.) also, today's rabiot was literally the real rabiot finally @Bjerknes , he actually used his physique a lot.

as for the defenders, we can't really move much further up, you don't want chiellini (or for that matter, any of our defenders bar cuadrado) chase a counter attacking opposition. we have some slow defenders, and whenever we moved our defense further up the pitch with either sarri or pirlo we looked slow to react to counters. and a juve not able to stop counters is simply dumb. if we can create so many goal scoring opportunities while risking next to nothing in front of our goal i can live with that. unless arthur miraculously turns into prime pjanic, that is. a more confident holding game could boost our chances of playing higher.
That is the trade off we're marking. Don't think we've been beaten in behind once all year. But it is risky to give so much possession around the box because guys like Alex Sandro just shoot it into their own net.

I think as long as the line drops off, the CMs will just have to kill themselves. But if the 3 strikers score, who gives a shit.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
Allegri throaters in full force today 2: poor things kept in their caves for too long. One semi decent performance and suddenly he's the second coming of Trappatoni. Anyone who dares to suggest that we could have played better are idiots. You can sense how strong the desperation is, they needed this.
I'm only waiting for Post Moronic's routine reminder of 3-0 Barca and clean sheets
We are hear to discuss football, drop the ego and all the baggage of previous arguments thats compelling you to dig deeper in your trenches.


Acknowledge two things in face value since we witnessed it.


1st We gave Verona zilch of chances except that one shot, despite them being a tricky hard pressing possession team (I seen them pin back virtually everyone in this league). How can you say we gave them alot of chances? Weren't we watching the same game?


And 2nd. This was not a mere semi decent game. This was a fantastic performance. When Rabiot is pressing like a man possessed and winning alot of duels, you KNOW this ain't your average game. The team showed up to get shit done well and they did.


You should be proud of them.


But hey, maybe stubbornly trying for e-points in some online forum is more important.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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well i can actually see a decent run with loca, zakaria and either of arthur and mckennie. too bad wes is such a shit passer and arthur is so inconsistent. fixing either of those issues would make us look miles better - provided zakaria can repeat these performances 4-5 times per month. (i don't mean the goal, that was an added bonus.) also, today's rabiot was literally the real rabiot finally @Bjerknes , he actually used his physique a lot.

as for the defenders, we can't really move much further up, you don't want chiellini (or for that matter, any of our defenders bar cuadrado) chase a counter attacking opposition. we have some slow defenders, and whenever we moved our defense further up the pitch with either sarri or pirlo we looked slow to react to counters. and a juve not able to stop counters is simply dumb. if we can create so many goal scoring opportunities while risking next to nothing in front of our goal i can live with that. unless arthur miraculously turns into prime pjanic, that is. a more confident holding game could boost our chances of playing higher.
If i had to pick id say stick with loca at regista for now, and start zak mackennie, a more physical team would have broken arthur.
 

Jäger

Senior Member
May 2, 2021
1,529
We are hear to discuss football, drop the ego and all the baggage of previous arguments thats compelling you to dig deeper in your trenches.


Acknowledge two things in face value since we witnessed it.


1st We gave Verona zilch of chances except that one shot, despite them being a tricky hard pressing possession team (I seen them pin back virtually everyone in this league). How can you say we gave them alot of chances? Weren't we watching the same game?


And 2nd. This was not a mere semi decent game. This was a fantastic performance. When Rabiot is pressing like a man possessed and winning alot of duels, you KNOW this ain't your average game. The team showed up to get shit done well and they did.


You should be proud of them.


But hey, maybe stubbornly trying for e-points in some online forum is more important.
No, it wasn't a fantastic performance. It was a decent performance. They dominated us in possession in our own ground (53%), that's already not great. Using the one shot on target stat is also disingenuous and a poor metric to use when deciding whether or not we won comfortably, especially when you take into account that they had 13 shots in total, just 2 less than us.
The reality is that we didn't win comfortably. We were sloppy at times. Am I happy with the performance in general? Of course, I never denied that, as much as the fanboys here like putting words in my mouth. I just don't think it was a flawless performance. Apparently it's too much to ask for improvement, because criticising the manager is considered blasphemy these days. If this was Pirlo or Sarri on the other hand I wouldn't have recieved so much vehement opposition.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
great match. his tactics were spot on and his selection was good. his motivating clearly worked as entire team looked on fire and ready to roll.

no complaints from me. enjoyable match and i am happy with everyone today.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,535
No, it wasn't a fantastic performance. It was a decent performance. They dominated us in possession in our own ground (53%), that's already not great. Using the one shot on target stat is also disingenuous and a poor metric to use when deciding whether or not we won comfortably, especially when you take into account that they had 13 shots in total, just 2 less than us.
The reality is that we didn't win comfortably. We were sloppy at times. Am I happy with the performance in general? Of course, I never denied that, as much as the fanboys here like putting words in my mouth. I just don't think it was a flawless performance. Apparently it's too much to ask for improvement, because criticising the manager is considered blasphemy these days. If this was Pirlo or Sarri on the other hand I wouldn't have recieved so much vehement opposition.
you can’t expect flawless performances as the norm. Team dominated and won, complaining after that is sort of weird and seems like criticizing for the sake of it
 

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