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Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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Yes, Rabiot and Arthur are pussies but Allegri has coached almost all these players before (you could probably make a full XI of players he has coached before). The only ones he hasn't coached are basically our best players: MDL, Chiesa, Locatelli, McKennie :cool:

They all understood his dacdics years ago but don't now? Allegri is just not keeping up with football IMO.
The squad is completely different from when Allegri was here. He was starting Khedira, Pjanic and Matuidi in his midfield, all experienced pros and intelligent players. Say what you like about them but they were streets ahead of our current mids excluding Locatelli.

He also had Ronaldo or Higuain up front. Mandzukic too. Plus BBC and Buffon at the back. The core of that squad was filled with Intelligent and experienced players, with an excellent attitude. On the bench you had Rabiot and Bentancur where their role was far smaller than what it is now, especially in terms of providing leadership.

Compare that to now where our most experienced mid is Rabiot at 26 and not a leader in any way. The squad is filled with inexperienced flaky players who seem to down tools as soon as something goes against them. Changing that sort of attitude, especially when in a slump doesn't happen immediately.

I actually think we would be far ahead of where we are now had Tek not thrown those games at the start of the season. All that positivity and hype vanished quickly when we dropped those points. Momentum is huge in football and we should have built it then.
 
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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
34,479
...Allegri is just not keeping up with football IMO.
2 years ago he had one of the best first half of seasons ever, i didn't check but it must be pretty close to the best ever start of a serie a season by any club. then football changed so much that he simply became obsolete. :baus:

tell me honestly, how many of our current players could start for juve between '14-18? for me, maybe locatelli, and a healthy chiesa certainly, and that's probably all.

but we expect the same results.
 

Knowah

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Jan 28, 2013
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The squad is completely different from when Allegri was here. He was starting Khedira, Pjanic and Matuidi in his midfield, all experienced pros and intelligent players. Say what you like about them but they were streets ahead of our current mids excluding Locatelli.

He also had Ronaldo or Higuain up front. Mandzukic too. Plus BBC and Buffon at the back. The core of that squad was filled with Intelligent and experienced players, with an excellent attitude. On the bench you had Rabiot and Bentancur where their role was far smaller than what it is now, especially in terms of providing leadership.

Compare that to now where our most experienced mid is Rabiot at 26 and not a leader in any way. The squad is filled with inexperienced flaky players who seem to down tools as soon as something goes against them. Changing that sort of attitude, especially when in a slump doesn't happen immediately.

I actually think we would be far ahead of where we are now had Tek not thrown those games at the start of the season. All that positivity and hype vanished quickly when we dropped those points. Momentum is huge in football and we should have built it then.
Rabiot arrived July of 2019 when Allegri was already gone. 17 May, Allegri was announced as not coming back. Rabiot didn't sign until 1 July.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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2 years ago he had one of the best first half of seasons ever, i didn't check but it must be pretty close to the best ever start of a serie a season by any club. then football changed so much that he simply became obsolete. :baus:

tell me honestly, how many of our current players could start for juve between '14-18? for me, maybe locatelli, and a healthy chiesa certainly, and that's probably all.

but we expect the same results.
I don't expect the same results. But we have less goals than fucking Bologna, Samp and Empoli. There's no excuse for that and the reason is obvious. We are not aggressive enough. It's not a mystery.

When we press these small teams, they literally pass the ball right back to us. But we refuse to do it consistently.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,690
The squad is completely different from when Allegri was here. He was starting Khedira, Pjanic and Matuidi in his midfield, all experienced pros and intelligent players. Say what you like about them but they were streets ahead of our current mids excluding Locatelli.

He also had Ronaldo or Higuain up front. Mandzukic too. Plus BBC and Buffon at the back. The core of that squad was filled with Intelligent and experienced players, with an excellent attitude. On the bench you had Rabiot and Bentancur where their role was far smaller than what it is now, especially in terms of providing leadership.

Compare that to now where our most experienced mid is Rabiot at 26 and not a leader in any way. The squad is filled with inexperienced flaky players who seem to down tools as soon as something goes against them. Changing that sort of attitude, especially when in a slump doesn't happen immediately.

I actually think we would be far ahead of where we are now had Tek not thrown those games at the start of the season. All that positivity and hype vanished quickly when we dropped those points. Momentum is huge in football and we should have built it then.
Started with the Ronaldo transfer drama one week before the end of transfer window and then the panic signing of kean for 40 million euros.No wonder we had our worst start in the last sixty years plus Princess dybala and chiesa injury issues.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,873
The squad is completely different from when Allegri was here. He was starting Khedira, Pjanic and Matuidi in his midfield, all experienced pros and intelligent players. Say what you like about them but they were streets ahead of our current mids excluding Locatelli.

He also had Ronaldo or Higuain up front. Mandzukic too. Plus BBC and Buffon at the back. The core of that squad was filled with Intelligent and experienced players, with an excellent attitude. On the bench you had Rabiot and Bentancur where their role was far smaller than what it is now, especially in terms of providing leadership.

Compare that to now where our most experienced mid is Rabiot at 26 and not a leader in any way. The squad is filled with inexperienced flaky players who seem to down tools as soon as something goes against them. Changing that sort of attitude, especially when in a slump doesn't happen immediately.

I actually think we would be far ahead of where we are now had Tek not thrown those games at the start of the season. All that positivity and hype vanished quickly when we dropped those points. Momentum is huge in football and we should have built it then.
Morata, Dybala, Bernardeschi, Cuadrado, Bentancur, Alex Sandro, Chiellini, Bonucci, De Sciglio, Szczesny. He has coached all these players before. These are all among the most played players. Then you add Chiesa, MDL, Locatelli and Danilo (who are GOOD players). So the players who are foreign to Allegri are most likely fine. The rest should understand what he wants.

The only pussy that regularly plays is Rabiot and it's not like there's a gun to Max's head. Max picks him and puts him at LM!!
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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I don't expect the same results. But we have less goals than fucking Bologna, Samp and Empoli. There's no excuse for that and the reason is obvious. We are not aggressive enough. It's not a mystery.

When we press these small teams, they literally pass the ball right back to us. But we refuse to do it consistently.
All y’all went on and on about xGoals to suggest Allegri sucked before. Well, according to xGoals we should be up in third for goals scored right now. 1 goal behind Atalanta. We’ve been terrible at finishing chances this year. No surprise given that we let Ronaldo leave one week before window ended and didn’t adequately replace him. So… that not aggressive enough is bollocks according to the very stay that was used to bash Max in the past lol
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
34,479
I don't expect the same results. But we have less goals than fucking Bologna, Samp and Empoli. There's no excuse for that and the reason is obvious. We are not aggressive enough. It's not a mystery.

When we press these small teams, they literally pass the ball right back to us. But we refuse to do it consistently.
our accuracy is abysmal, no two ways about it. but when ronaldo leaves you literally after the season has already started, dybala still can't manage to stay fit for 2 months, chiesa returns with an injury from the nt, and you have kean who rarely managed to score against parked buses, then you have to rely morata. and morata LOOOOVES pressure, doesn't he :tuttosport:

we have ~the same amount of shots on target than atalanta. they scored 37, we scored 23. even fiorentina scored 32 goals with ~the same amount of shots on target. swap this morata or kean with zapata or vlahovic and see what happens.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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our accuracy is abysmal, no two ways about it. but when ronaldo leaves you literally after the season has already started, dybala still can't manage to stay fit for 2 months, chiesa returns with an injury from the nt, and you have kean who rarely managed to score against parked buses, then you have to rely morata. and morata LOOOOVES pressure, doesn't he :tuttosport:

we have ~the same amount of shots on target than atalanta. they scored 37, we scored 23. even fiorentina scored 32 goals with ~the same amount of shots on target. swap this morata or kean with zapata or vlahovic and see what happens.
He’s been talking about how we need to be playing Dybala as a False 9 in a 4-3-3 and then talks about playing a pressing game. Dybala. Aggressive pressing. :lol:
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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Morata, Dybala, Bernardeschi, Cuadrado, Bentancur, Alex Sandro, Chiellini, Bonucci, De Sciglio, Szczesny. He has coached all these players before. These are all among the most played players. Then you add Chiesa, MDL, Locatelli and Danilo (who are GOOD players). So the players who are foreign to Allegri are most likely fine. The rest should understand what he wants.

The only pussy that regularly plays is Rabiot and it's not like there's a gun to Max's head. Max picks him and puts him at LM!!
especially mds, berna and chiellini. also, i reckon morata fully understands the dacdics, he just can't score a sitter.

what's your best formation using the squad allegri had for this season?
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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I don't expect the same results. But we have less goals than fucking Bologna, Samp and Empoli. There's no excuse for that and the reason is obvious. We are not aggressive enough. It's not a mystery.

When we press these small teams, they literally pass the ball right back to us. But we refuse to do it consistently.
Chiellini and Bonucci don't want to though
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,873
All y’all went on and on about xGoals to suggest Allegri sucked before. Well, according to xGoals we should be up in third for goals scored right now. 1 goal behind Atalanta. We’ve been terrible at finishing chances this year. No surprise given that we let Ronaldo leave one week before window ended and didn’t adequately replace him. So… that not aggressive enough is bollocks according to the very stay that was used to bash Max in the past lol
I never said Allegri sucked before and you know that.

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especially mds, berna and chiellini. also, i reckon morata fully understands the dacdics, he just can't score a sitter.

what's your best formation using the squad allegri had for this season?
anytime he played aggressive 4-2-3-1 is fine enough. Are you happy with Rabio playing LM in 4-4-2? That's the best we can do?

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He’s been talking about how we need to be playing Dybala as a False 9 in a 4-3-3 and then talks about playing a pressing game. Dybala. Aggressive pressing. :lol:
Ya as a #9 all he has to do is funnel the CBs. As a #10 he can't do anything. That's why Max put McKennie and Berna in that position sometimes.
 

Mike-e-y

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Jul 18, 2004
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Yes, Rabiot and Arthur are pussies but Allegri has coached almost all these players before (you could probably make a full XI of players he has coached before). The only ones he hasn't coached are basically our best players: MDL, Chiesa, Locatelli, McKennie :cool:

They all understood his dacdics years ago but don't now? Allegri is just not keeping up with football IMO.
Yep but the age factor comes in. He’s only coached: Tek, Bonucci, Chiellini, Rugani, Sandro, MDS, Cuadrado, Bentancur, Berna, Dybala, Kean & Morata before (I may have missed one or 2). That’s a fairly radical change, and sadly the real big players like Chiellini, bonbon and Cuadrado are now into their thirties/late thirties which takes a toll physically, Chiellini can no longer be relied on regularly.

I don’t think it’s a case of Allegri being past his sell by date but I do think he has been quite surprised at the drop off at the club over the last few years. We really can’t judge him after 6 months though. We need a few windows, there isn’t a manger in my eyes that will be able to mould this set of players, let’s face it the summer window was really poor, we lost the GOAT. Aside from Locatelli we didn’t bring anything in that improved us. We were operating on a show string. Let’s see where he is this time next year before we write Allegri off
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I never said Allegri sucked before and you know that.

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anytime he played aggressive 4-2-3-1 is fine enough. Are you happy with Rabio playing LM in 4-4-2? That's the best we can do?

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Ya as a #9 all he has to do is funnel the CBs. As a #10 he can't do anything. That's why Max put McKennie and Berna in that position sometimes.
I think we’d be pretty poor and easy to shut down with Dybala as a #9. He doesn’t have the pace, touch, or versatility of most of the non-traditional strikers who succeed in that role. When he’s in form, he’s very good at what he does, but he would make us quite one-dimensional without a foil to play off imo.

And yes, I know you weren’t one of those endlessly spouting off about Max. More of a general comment on how the “modern football”, “advanced stats” crowd only crows about those metrics until they don’t support their position.

Everyone knows we have been bad this year. Max needs to do better. He’s tinkering too much, and taking to long to sort out how to get the best out of this limited squad. The useful players we do have need to do better. Too many of them are in poor form, playing too lazily on the pitch, and doing stupid shit. Management needs to bring in a few better players. The combination of those things has made for an appalling season thus far.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
34,479
...Are you happy with Rabio playing LM in 4-4-2? That's the best we can do?...
fully. i can't wait to see it again :tuttosport:

of course not. that's the most wtf thing of the last 10 years, worse than padoin as regista vs roma or sarri's experimenting with everybody bar buffon at tq lol.

anyway, i hope we stick with the 4-2-3-1 and get a decent mid and 9 in january. i reckon we'd still be higher on the table if tek didn't have an inexplicable september, morata scored some sitters, and we could count on chiesa, dybala and even your chouchou mckennie.
 

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