Massimiliano Allegri (800 Viewers)

[Strickland]

Again; the first responsible for one's mentality is the player itself. Stop blaming someone else. It's 3 coaches in a row...

I don't see Chiesa, Loca or Chiellini lacking effort under Allegri for example...

Chiellini himself said that this is not a team. Manager is not the only one, but definitely the first one responsible for that.

 

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[kao_ray]

Nah, you wouldnt keep patrolling this thread then, trying to stop every criticism of your old fart. You are deeply invested in this, you aint fooling anyone lol.

Slurp, slurp.

 

[Robee]

Chiellini himself said that this is not a team. Manager is not the only one, but definitely the first one responsible for that.

No man, that's how the football fan thinks quite often but it's not. It's not a team because of the overrated softies on the roster. Not because it's the 3rd coach in a row with a strong squad.

I said Pirlo wasn't the main problem last season and it's actually being confirmed. Yet we're blaming the next guy here while it should be so freaking obvious by now. And if we're getting a decent transfer or 2 in the winter mercato, it'll show.

The onz being held accountable is going to be the coach yes. But that's different from being the actual main cause to me. And is Max free of blame? No ofc not.

 

[Strickland]

No man, that's how the football fan thinks quite often but it's not. It's not a team because of the overrated softies on the roster. Not because it's the 3rd coach in a row with a strong squad.

I said Pirlo wasn't the main problem last season and it's actually being confirmed. Yet we're blaming the next guy here while it should be so freaking obvious by now. And if we're getting a decent transfer or 2 in the winter mercato, it'll show.

The onz being held accountable is going to be the coach yes. But that's different from being the actual main cause to me. And is Max free of blame? No ofc not.

If you read the Pirlo book, I think Conte's impact on the players mentality is instantly recognizable the way Pirlo describes it and you see it in his other teams as well. Similar to how Mourinho early in his career is quoted to have created a family like atmosphere in his clubs (until Madrid broke him). I'm not saying this coach or that coach is better, but obviously creating the right atmosphere, mentally preparing the team and other stuff like that is part of a coaches job description. And of course Max isn't solely to blame, the players must shoulder a lot of it too, but it's Max's job to right the ship and weed out the bad apples.

 

[Robee]

If you read the Pirlo book, I think Conte's impact on the players mentality is instantly recognizable the way Pirlo describes it and you see it in his other teams as well. Similar to how Mourinho early in his career is quoted to have created a family like atmosphere in his clubs (until Madrid broke him). I'm not saying this coach or that coach is better, but obviously creating the right atmosphere, mentally preparing the team and other stuff like that is part of a coaches job description. And of course Max isn't solely to blame, the players must shoulder a lot of it too, but it's Max's job to right the ship and weed out the bad apples.

I do believe coaches make a difference but have you seen which teams he coached?

You can not make a player do something, he's simply not capable of.

In bold; it definitely is. But I don't believe any coach could make this imbalanced team click. That's why we should actually give our coach multiple years this time; keep one formation/strategy in mind and rebuild

 

[juve123]

I do believe coaches make a difference but have you seen which teams he coached?

You can not make a player do something, he's simply not capable of.

I cant understand how Allegri is reponsible for Rabiot or arthur mentality.In the case of Arthur he took a strict action against him and then his agent said he wants to leave the club.

 

[Strickland]

I do believe coaches make a difference but have you seen which teams he coached?

You can not make a player do something, he's simply not capable of.

In bold; it definitely is. But I don't believe any coach could make this imbalanced team click. That's why we should actually give our coach multiple years this time; keep one formation/strategy in mind and rebuild

Fully agreed on stability, I'd too keep Max around as long as there's reason to believe we'll do better soon, we've changed too much the past few years. We just slightly disagree on whether Max is doing a good job so far, imo he definitely isn't, but then again it's Max, I'm holding out hope that he whips out his magic wand and we play a lot better after the Christmas break.

 

[Robee]

Fully agreed on stability, I'd too keep Max around as long as there's reason to believe we'll do better soon, we've changed too much the past few years. We just slightly disagree on whether Max is doing a good job so far, imo he definitely isn't, but then again it's Max, I'm holding out hope that he whips out his magic wand and we play a lot better after the Christmas break.

Ooh, that I agree on: he isn't doing a good job so far, pal. He's just not the main culprit imo.

 

[Mike-e-y]

I don't agree with the bang average part, however you're spot on that the squad mentally isn't at the level they need to and that's a direct responsibility of Allegri, who else is going to manage the team if not the manager?

I honestly see this squad as mediocre, we have some talented players sure but we have a hell of a lot of deadwood.

Mentality is certainly on Allegri to fix but it’s not right to blame him for the poor mentality that exists in this team, that’s been created and brought into the club over the last 2 years. Max needs time to get rid of the bad apples.

Rabiot for example - this guy has always had a poor mentality, Allegri hasn’t created that, his mentality was poor in Paris and he’s controlled by his poisonous mother. Arthur is unprofessional and refused to play for Barca after he realised he was being sold - huge character flaws that are part of his make up. We have to cut the cancer out of this group of players and new blood is needed.

Max should be doing a better job, I think he is genuinely surprised at the drop off in mentality since he was last here across the whole club (particularly the directors)

 

[U Picciriddu]

I honestly see this squad as mediocre, we have some talented players sure but we have a hell of a lot of deadwood.

Mentality is certainly on Allegri to fix but it’s not right to blame him for the poor mentality that exists in this team, that’s been created and brought into the club over the last 2 years. Max needs time to get rid of the bad apples.

Rabiot for example - this guy has always had a poor mentality, Allegri hasn’t created that, his mentality was poor in Paris and he’s controlled by his poisonous mother. Arthur is unprofessional and refused to play for Barca after he realised he was being sold - huge character flaws that are part of his make up. We have to cut the cancer out of this group of players and new blood is needed.

Max should be doing a better job, I think he is genuinely surprised at the drop off in mentality since he was last here across the whole club (particularly the directors)

Im more disappointed by the fact that we accept all that bullshit. Ramsey, Rabiot etc shoudve left this club last summer already.

We said that it was enough against Mandzukic, Higuain, Khedira while they gave everything they had, yet we seem to accept mental midgets who will never change. It made us lose time, money and precious points.

 

[Alex-444]

 

[K.O.]

Parameters used to come up with this astonishing stat:

Bernardo Silva = McKennie
De Bruyne = Rabiot
Mahrez = Kulusevski
Foden = Bernardeschi
Grealish = Ramsey
Gundogan = Arthur
Cancelo = Alex Sandro
Walker = MDS
Rodri = Bentancur

 

[edgardavids2608]

If you read the Pirlo book, I think Conte's impact on the players mentality is instantly recognizable the way Pirlo describes it and you see it in his other teams as well. Similar to how Mourinho early in his career is quoted to have created a family like atmosphere in his clubs (until Madrid broke him). I'm not saying this coach or that coach is better, but obviously creating the right atmosphere, mentally preparing the team and other stuff like that is part of a coaches job description. And of course Max isn't solely to blame, the players must shoulder a lot of it too, but it's Max's job to right the ship and weed out the bad apples.

If you want to say conte you have to also realize that the first thing he does is snub a lot of players and leaves if he doesnt get players for his systems. When he came in he also brought in Pirlo, Vidal,Pogba, Barzagli etc. At Inter the same thing happened. He builds a good mentality not only through training and culkture but also through purchasing players. You need a majority of players that buy in or you lose the locker room and the dont respond well. Allegri can change it or it might not be his style but he has not really had the chance to build that. To your point he might have just benefited rom conte lockerroom before. I have faith in Max but a squad revamp is critical. And not just quality but players with some fight and swagger on the pitch

 

[Lion]

ALLEGRI

 

[MikeM]

I honestly see this squad as mediocre, we have some talented players sure but we have a hell of a lot of deadwood.

Mentality is certainly on Allegri to fix but it’s not right to blame him for the poor mentality that exists in this team, that’s been created and brought into the club over the last 2 years. Max needs time to get rid of the bad apples.

Rabiot for example - this guy has always had a poor mentality, Allegri hasn’t created that, his mentality was poor in Paris and he’s controlled by his poisonous mother. Arthur is unprofessional and refused to play for Barca after he realised he was being sold - huge character flaws that are part of his make up. We have to cut the cancer out of this group of players and new blood is needed.

Max should be doing a better job, I think he is genuinely surprised at the drop off in mentality since he was last here across the whole club (particularly the directors)

Tactics matter way more than "mentality". A lot of mentality is created by winning games. You win games with tactics. You need the mentality of a soldier to counter attack from your own 18 yard box. You need less of a mentality when you are the team doing the pressing because it's your opponent on the back foot.

If the plan is to just set up a Sunday league 4-4-2 and hope the players have the mentality to win, then we're going nowhere, quite frankly. Maybe that works when you have Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, etc.

 

[singus]

Why on earth would some give the old man 1 more summer window, when its clear that he has a preference for De Sciglios and Rabiots as wingers. I mean, thats absurd!
I wouldnt let him touch any transfer buttons.

 

[Mike-e-y]

Tactics matter way more than "mentality". A lot of mentality is created by winning games. You win games with tactics. You need the mentality of a soldier to counter attack from your own 18 yard box. You need less of a mentality when you are the team doing the pressing because it's your opponent on the back foot.

If the plan is to just set up a Sunday league 4-4-2 and hope the players have the mentality to win, then we're going nowhere, quite frankly. Maybe that works when you have Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, etc.

Sorry but tactics don’t matter more than mentality, not outside of football manager anyway. You’re mixing up morale and mentality, morale is created by victories - mentality is inherent. Players that lack mentality can’t execute tactics and it’s as simple as that. A team is a team, if you have 11 hard working players that have an excellent mentality they will beat 11 lazy players no matter how the lazy team is set out tactically.

I’m fairly sure a manager that has won 6 league titles and numerous other accolades in his career is above a Sunday league level. Also Allegri had pirlo and Vidal for a season and marchisio at that point was injured pretty much permanently.

Allegri won with Khedira, matuidi and Pjanic. Say what you want but those players had the right mentality and they interpreted tactics well. Allegri’s tactics require mentality, it’s why we’re not seeing the instant gratification. The squad needs a rebuild pure and simple.

 

[MikeM]

Sorry but tactics don’t matter more than mentality. Morale is created by victories - mentality is inherent. Players that lack mentality can’t execute tactics and it’s as simple as that. A team is a team, if you have 11 hard working players that have an excellent mentality they will beat 11 lazy players no matter how the lazy team is set out tactically.

I’m fairly sure a manager that has won 6 league titles and numerous other accolades in his career is above a Sunday league level. Also Allegri had pirlo and Vidal for a season and marchisio at that point was injured pretty much permanently.

Allegri won with Khedira, matuidi and Pjanic. Say what you want but those players had the right mentality and they interpreted tactics well. Allegri’s tactics require mentality, it’s why we’re not seeing the instant gratification. The squad needs a rebuild and simple.

Can you expand on this further?

 

[Mike-e-y]

Can you expand on this further?

Sure. Allegri’s tactics have always been based around a functional team that is able to interpret and implement tactical instructions. His tactics are also based around game management, player intelligence and reading of the game and when to implement elements of the instructions he gives the players. You’ll be aware of that from the multiple interviews where he quotes this.

Allegri’s tactics require a lot of in game intelligence from the players. If you look at the players that have flourished under Allegri Mandzukic, Khedira and Matuidi stand out - these aren’t the most talented players but one of their pubic hairs posses a better mentality than Rabiot and Arthur combined.

 

[MikeM]

Sure. Allegri’s tactics have always been based around a functional team that is able to interpret and implement tactical instructions. His tactics are also based around game management, player intelligence and reading of the game and when to implement elements of the instructions he gives the players. You’ll be aware of that from the multiple interviews where he quotes this.

Allegri’s tactics require a lot of in game intelligence from the players. If you look at the players that have flourished under Allegri Mandzukic, Khedira and Matuidi stand out - these aren’t the most talented players but one of their pubic hairs posses a better mentality than Rabiot and Arthur combined.

Yes, Rabiot and Arthur are pussies but Allegri has coached almost all these players before (you could probably make a full XI of players he has coached before). The only ones he hasn't coached are basically our best players: MDL, Chiesa, Locatelli, McKennie

They all understood his dacdics years ago but don't now? Allegri is just not keeping up with football IMO.