Massimiliano Allegri (252 Viewers)

[Adrian]

Allegri was brought in to polish a turd. It hasn't worked.

Whether it was allegri, zidane...lippi back in his fucking prime...it wouldn't matter. These players are mentally fucked up, too lazy, dumb or just plain shit.

 

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[singus]

Because these players jacking off instead of running are big part of the 5 years of mismanagement.

Any jacking off on the pitch should result in the bench for 3 weeks. It REALLY is the responsibility of the coach to get these fuckers to run and put in the effort required and punish them if they dont.

 

[K.O.]

Any jacking off on the pitch should result in the bench for 3 weeks. It REALLY is the responsibility of the coach to get these fuckers to run and put in the effort required and punish them if they dont.

True. Except, even your bench is a bunch of lazy ass fuckers who lack quality.

As I said before, If we really think our place is leading the standing or even top 4, we sadly need to rebuild the squad and it will take 2 or 3 transfer windows.

 

[singus]

True. Except, even your bench is a bunch of lazy ass fuckers who lack quality.

As I said before, If we really think our place is leading the standing or even top 4, we sadly need to rebuild the squad and it will take 2 or 3 transfer windows.

I dont buy that excuse at all. Start setting some examples, send them to train with the youth team when they dont give 100%. If we are serious about it, this problem is easily fixed. We can afford to piss some of them off, we are not losing anything.

And even if we agree that some of our players lack technical abilities and football IQ, then whip the fuck out of them in training and become a well conditioned team instead. But no, we cant run either, and thats been the case during some of Allegris previous seasons as well, running out of gas way before the opponent.

Just fix some of it and show some overall improvements, thats all we need to see, then we can have patience!

Hopefully this new camp is just about that.

 

[Mokku]

If you piss the players off too much they'll deliberately play shit to get the coach sacked, it happens at the biggest clubs. Big wages at a big club gives you a big ego.

 

[singus]

If you piss the players off too much they'll deliberately play shit to get the coach sacked, it happens at the biggest clubs. Big wages at a big club gives you a big ego.

lol, do you actually believe this yourself.

 

[juve123]

If you piss the players off too much they'll deliberately play shit to get the coach sacked, it happens at the biggest clubs. Big wages at a big club gives you a big ego.

Good for us the likes of arthur ramsey and rabiot would then be ready to leave the club

 

[Mokku]

lol, do you actually believe this yourself.

Chelsea did to Sarri, Madrid to Benitez, Mourinho at a number of clubs.

 

[singus]

Chelsea did to Sarri, Madrid to Benitez, Mourinho at a number of clubs.

Probably not for the reason we just talked about. Think a bit about it.
If players dont fucking run or give a shit, then why would the directors fire the coach and not the players lol. Our directors can obviously see that the players dont give a shit. So it wouldnt be an issue for Allegri to get their backing on a strategy of whipping them and getting rid of those not willing to give their all for the jersey.

 

[Mokku]

It's easier to sack the coach than the players plus, the players can dictate these things these days.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Name these players, and we'll see the caliber of most of them.



Allegri did make mistakes with squad selection and a few times at that and I've said that often, but we still should have done better despite that. During our run of form with 1-0s we regained some defensive stability since the whole team was limiting space to the opponent. There is no better tactics at the moment to mask the shortcomings of this team. We were playing more solid than the open game we had with Pirlo last season.

Name me internationals of Empoli, Sassuolo, Udinese and Verona then.

Then look at our direct competitors for 4th spot: Roma, Lazio and Atalanta. Say it with a straight face that they have the better rosters and coaches. Go ahead.

I'm assuming here that Napoli, Milan and Inter are out of our reach by now. That's ok tho - 4th place is good enough for Max, yet for Pirlo it wasn't somehow.

 

[DAiDEViL]

4th place is good enough for Max, yet for Pirlo it wasn't somehow.

It wouldn't be good enough for me, but still a lot depends on how we look at the end of the season. Is there clear improvement?

There was none under Pirlo. The same all season, just a back and furth. Nothing that indicates he's capable of building a team. It'd have been madness to continue with a newb that offers zero guarantees for ever getting it right.

Max has shown before he can build teams, so of course I'll be more patient with him, as we know what he's capable of.

 

[electricRoo]

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To me thats a piss poor attempt at trying something new to better the team. Look outside of Italy ffs, just for once! There were lots of coaches available during the last 2-3 years. Even a coach like Mourinho would bring some new winds at our club and get everyone to try to prove themselves on the field.

But yeah, anyways. Lets see what happens and how this season pans out.

Ok, let's look outside of Italy. Coaches that are at least as good as Allegri: Guardiola, Klopp, Zidane. Zidane was not interested in coaching this season, Klopp is busy with Liverpool and Guardiola with Man City.

Done. Our best bet was and still is Allegri. He needs to work on the player's mentality and that's not something that's easily changed, be patient.

 

[JCK]

Sarriboyz lecturing people on how to behave

 

[pavluska]

You've to be extraordinarily special to think this isn't a top 4 squad.

In the past, you'd be stoned for exhibiting this level of stupidity.

 

[electricRoo]

Name me internationals of Empoli, Sassuolo, Udinese and Verona then.

Then look at our direct competitors for 4th spot: Roma, Lazio and Atalanta. Say it with a straight face that they have the better rosters and coaches. Go ahead.

I'm assuming here that Napoli, Milan and Inter are out of our reach by now. That's ok tho - 4th place is good enough for Max, yet for Pirlo it wasn't somehow.

Pirlo squeaked by to 4th due to a spectacular Napoli choke while having Ronaldo in our squad AND losing to Benevento twice I believe. We didn't exactly let go of prime Guardiola.

 

[pavluska]

We could bring Conte back but you know it will only ever be a short term thing with him. Plus we don't have money now so he'd never put up with the squad like Allegri does.

Relationship between Conte and Agnelli is completely severed. And didn't think any Juventino would want him back after what transpired past two seasons esp last year. Thought people were just talking hypotheticals. Wanting Conte is the other extreme of desperation.

But Conte takes teams that finish 7th consecutively to league titles right away and hits the ground running from first matchday. Literally the best rebuild coach. Would keep failing in CL (so, short term perfect) but we've to secure the league first. Funny, not too long ago some used to take our Serie A titles for granted.

 

[Cerval]

Name me internationals of Empoli, Sassuolo, Udinese and Verona then.

Then look at our direct competitors for 4th spot: Roma, Lazio and Atalanta. Say it with a straight face that they have the better rosters and coaches. Go ahead.

I'm assuming here that Napoli, Milan and Inter are out of our reach by now. That's ok tho - 4th place is good enough for Max, yet for Pirlo it wasn't somehow.

Like I pointed out in another post, its not strictly about talent, but work ethics and being mentally weak. This is a collection of misfits and especially in midfield.

Lazio and Atalanta have better midfields, nothing outrageous saying that after watching this team play.

 

[pavluska]

Pep Pirlo getting a 6 rating again.

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Like I pointed out in another post, its not strictly about talent, but work ethics and being mentally weak. This is a collection of misfits and especially in midfield.

Lazio and Atalanta have better midfields, nothing outrageous saying that after watching this team play.

Today I learned it isn't the job of the coach to motivate the team (literally one of the most important aspects of coaching).

The things I learn daily.

 

[singus]

Ok, let's look outside of Italy. Coaches that are at least as good as Allegri: Guardiola, Klopp, Zidane. Zidane was not interested in coaching this season, Klopp is busy with Liverpool and Guardiola with Man City.

Done. Our best bet was and still is Allegri. He needs to work on the player's mentality and that's not something that's easily changed, be patient.

Lol, thats a poor attempt of a list. With your football knowledge and time spent on this, and without any scouting network or nothing, this is what you came up with.

When we hired Conte, and when we hired Allegri, how much international success did they have? and did they do pretty well both of them? YES.
They would not have been included in your above list back then.

There are probably 10-40 coaches out there with good ideas and good results, who could be the next world famous coach, if we cared to look to other people than ex-players and italians.

Without much research I could also add the following:
- Poch
- Tuchel
- Mourinho
- Gasperini
- Nagelsmann

And these are very well knowns too. Our directors should be able to identify more interesting candidates, if they actually watch football and do their job.
Other clubs are doing so with success as well.