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CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,321
I never really understood this resting thing in Italy. I’ve always been under the impression that Pep’s Barcelona fielded the same line up for most part of the season and looking at the stats that’s probably right. And even though their philosophy required their full focus at all they never really looked tired.

During that era someone like Xavi would play anywhere from 48 to 54 official matches a season not counting the ones for Spain. Locatelli never played more than 34 a season in his career.

Having said that play the mofo. He’s the only worth anything in that midfield.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,834
I never really understood this resting thing in Italy. I’ve always been under the impression that Pep’s Barcelona fielded the same line up for most part of the season and looking at the stats that’s probably right. And even though their philosophy required their full focus at all they never really looked tired.

During that era someone like Xavi would play anywhere from 48 to 54 official matches a season not counting the ones for Spain. Locatelli never played more than 34 a season in his career.

Having said that play the mofo. He’s the only worth anything in that midfield.
When you have the ball all game, it's easier.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
I never really understood this resting thing in Italy. I’ve always been under the impression that Pep’s Barcelona fielded the same line up for most part of the season and looking at the stats that’s probably right. And even though their philosophy required their full focus at all they never really looked tired.

During that era someone like Xavi would play anywhere from 48 to 54 official matches a season not counting the ones for Spain. Locatelli never played more than 34 a season in his career.

Having said that play the mofo. He’s the only worth anything in that midfield.
we rest players so much, yet they still look completely tired by 70th minute. been like that for 5 seasons now.

time to bring EPL fitness coaches in. no joke
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
87,942
I never really understood this resting thing in Italy. I’ve always been under the impression that Pep’s Barcelona fielded the same line up for most part of the season and looking at the stats that’s probably right. And even though their philosophy required their full focus at all they never really looked tired.

During that era someone like Xavi would play anywhere from 48 to 54 official matches a season not counting the ones for Spain. Locatelli never played more than 34 a season in his career.

Having said that play the mofo. He’s the only worth anything in that midfield.
This. Never understood how we have the same fitness and injury problems for a decade running.

Obviously there is a problem here with the fitness and medical staff.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I never really understood this resting thing in Italy. I’ve always been under the impression that Pep’s Barcelona fielded the same line up for most part of the season and looking at the stats that’s probably right. And even though their philosophy required their full focus at all they never really looked tired.

During that era someone like Xavi would play anywhere from 48 to 54 official matches a season not counting the ones for Spain. Locatelli never played more than 34 a season in his career.

Having said that play the mofo. He’s the only worth anything in that midfield.
Xavi would play 4000-4500 minutes in their CL winning seasons. In our CL final seasons of 14-15 and 16-17, Tevez and Higuain played 4100 and 4500 minutes respectively. Pogba played 4300 minutes in 15-16 even though we got knocked out in Rof16 CL. All teams rotate. All teams most important players if injury free play a lot. Our problem is injuries and players not being available.

Edit: to give full picture in 14-15

Bonucci - 4700 minutes
Marchisio - 4300 minutes
Licht - 4100 minutes
Tevez - 4050 minutes
Chiellini - 4000 minutes
 
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LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
This shit 442 with Rabiot as LM must stop, I've said it already and can't stress it enough. Our left side is nonexistent, unbelievable scenario at this level.

Everything points to a 4231 at the moment, simply because we need Dybala and we hardly have more than one capable CM. Sucks for the wingers who will need a lot of running but for closing down the games with defensive classic from Allegri, I can live with McKennie being the lungs for the last 15 minutes.

What sucks is the fact there are games every 3 days now so Allegri won't be able to fix much even if he wanted to. However I feel like the best he can do right now is to limit roles of some players while giving more room for the others.

By now I'm already tired of Mckennie and Bentancur, those two are simply hopeless. Rabiot should be tried in 4231 IMO, he has the brains to play that, he just lacks the character sometimes but I'd definitely limit his 'offensive' role, he's useless as LM. I kinda hope Arthur somehow adapts to Allegri's needs, otherwise we have just one capable CM for this season and that's Locatelli. Good fucking luck winning anything with that :/
 

DeviAngel

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2014
3,687
I have the feeling he is trying to perfect the Pirlo fluid formation experiment and its not working. He doesn't want to disturb the team right away like it was with Conte's 352 but this time we need drastic change right away.
 

MrMonkey

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2017
4,286
Xavi would play 4000-4500 minutes in their CL winning seasons. In our CL final seasons of 14-15 and 16-17, Tevez and Higuain played 4100 and 4500 minutes respectively. Pogba played 4300 minutes in 15-16 even though we got knocked out in Rof16 CL. All teams rotate. All teams most important players if injury free play a lot. Our problem is injuries and players not being available.

Edit: to give full picture in 14-15

Bonucci - 4700 minutes
Marchisio - 4300 minutes
Licht - 4100 minutes
Tevez - 4050 minutes
Chiellini - 4000 minutes
I like looking at these numbers. Was going over myself how Max could distribute the minutes extending out to the end of the year with not allocating for unexpected injuries. Doing so without burning out the players. Meaning limiting as much as possible minutes for suspect performers like MDS, Bent, Rabiot, and probably McKenn too. Forgot Rugani but he hasn't played yet. LOL. I like to see more of Pelle before including him. Max was keen today on knowing MDS and Bent needed to sit. Pirlo unfortunately was a deer in the headlights with when to sub but I blame AA! Hopefully Max realizes some players he was counting on just don't cut it on being first 11 guys.

Hypothetical using 4-4-2 formation .....
So say 45 matches left in the season, 4050 minutes. As for L/R Backs = 8100. Sandro, Danilo, and Cuads could handle those 2700 minutes.

CB positions involving MDL, Bono, Chiell and another 2700 minutes each played..

Forward line with 2 spots with Dybala, Morata, Kean and again 2700 minutes.

Now for the difficult part being the midfield ...
Say 4 spots with 16000+ minutes ....
Loca and Chiesa only givens. Play all 45 matches = 4000 minutes. Impossible to do so say 3500 each for 7000. So 9000 minutes left. Honestly can't even think about how to divi up the rest of the time? So many different options to what I'm posting here but going by what I propose, how would you give out the rest of Juve's midfield minutes or other options for the team as a whole? Backline seems set for me on minutes played but the rest is hypothetical depending on what formation Max uses.
 

pavluska

Senior Member
Apr 25, 2013
7,339
As subpar as our CM options are, quality of them wasn't even the main issue. Quantity on the field plus one of them playing in wrong position were.

You're supposed to maximize your strengths and minimize your weaknesses. Playing a third CM instead of a more capable winger makes no sense.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,036
I never really understood this resting thing in Italy. I’ve always been under the impression that Pep’s Barcelona fielded the same line up for most part of the season and looking at the stats that’s probably right. And even though their philosophy required their full focus at all they never really looked tired.

During that era someone like Xavi would play anywhere from 48 to 54 official matches a season not counting the ones for Spain. Locatelli never played more than 34 a season in his career.

Having said that play the mofo. He’s the only worth anything in that midfield.
It’s because all the Italian managers are in cahoots trying to fluff the Azzurri. That’s why you see players resting all the time, others like Berna get endless chances, and Bonucci and Chiellini never putting in incredible performances for Juve when it matters.
 

Powis

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2009
8,483
No coach in the world would manage to fix this Juventus. Team is full of mediocre players who have weak mentalities and there's not much you can do about it. Only new solid arrivals will make us title contenders again.

At least I am sure Allegri will get that 4th place by the end of the season.
Forza Max
 

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