Massimiliano Allegri (205 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

Zidane is more tactically versatile than Klopp imo. And would be better able to adapt to our side as currently constructed and get immediate results.

I think Klopp could/would be a disastrous hire for at least a year, if not 2, while he tried to impose his tactics on this team. Disastrous, as in I could easily see us missing CL the first season. I said we have some players who could work under him, but would need to bring a dozen or more to fill out the team. Obviously not going to happen in a mercato or two. If this club has the patience to weather a couple very poor years, sure... but I suspect we don’t.

And dude, Allegri is easily capable of European success. He was within 45 minutes of a treble twice. We came up against two all-time great squads in the finals and we got overpowered in the end. Had nothing to do with his coaching, which was the only reason we got there in the first place. Klopp got to play Tottenham in a CL final. Lol. If only we’d been so lucky in 2015 or 2017 for some mediocre overachieving team to play us.

It's not titles won but how they play. Klopp is more suited for Europe imo. Allegri was close and I do love him as a coach, but I don't see us winning CL with him, no. Allegri used to have great players in that team and I doubt he'd find this one to be an eye candy. Klopp might take more time but I do see us getting better in Europe because we'd have suited style for CL, unlike with usual Italian coaches. What Klopp did in his career is quite huge. Nobody expected Klopp to win with Liverpool, not even their fans, yet he did. My Liverpool buddy friend didn't even expect EPL title.

I have a feeling Liverpool will do something stupid and sack him. Whoever grabs him will be lucky.

 

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[Vlad]

You guys remember when Allegri was owning prime time Barca in CL with that disastrous Milan team? Good times. Guy’s a legend

Niang on the wing I fell in love with Max after he beat us 2-0 with Cagliari, 2009/10 season. Back then you could tell what a huge difference a coach like him can make to a team. Milan ofc snapped him a season after and we hired Del Neri

 

[Dostoevsky]

Ur wrong there. We have replicated it perfectly over the last 2 years. Instead of Villareal we got knocked out by Lyon, instead of RB Leipzig we got knocked out by Porto...This season though we might go all the way and miss out on Scudetto, just like Napoli have all those years. I find correlation striking.

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They also keep harping about Ajax loss and he isnt completely out of blame there but lets not forget young and vibrant Ajax side destroying Real at Bernabeu 4-1 and then they were seconds away from going to CL final.

When we lose against Real Madrid that's because we played against all-time great squads. When Ajax trashes them, it's because they were young and vibrant.

 

[Cerval]

It's not titles won but how they play. Klopp is more suited for Europe imo. Allegri was close and I do love him as a coach, but I don't see us winning CL with him, no. Allegri used to have great players in that team and I doubt he'd find this one to be an eye candy. Klopp might take more time but I do see us getting better in Europe because we'd have suited style for CL, unlike with usual Italian coaches. What Klopp did in his career is quite huge. Nobody expected Klopp to win with Liverpool, not even their fans, yet he did. My Liverpool buddy friend didn't even expect EPL title.

I have a feeling Liverpool will do something stupid and sack him. Whoever grabs him will be lucky.

What are your metrics for which Klopp is more suited to Europe? Because in terms of success, Zidane achieved more in less time and is more resourceful in terms of adaptation

 

[Dostoevsky]

What are your metrics for which Klopp is more suited to Europe? Because in terms of success, Zidane achieved more in less time and is more resourceful in terms of adaptation

Klopp was in the weaker club, of course he'd have less success. Klopp wouldn't win shit with Fiorentina but that doesn't mean he's bad.

PS I never compared Klopp and Zidane.

 

[Vlad]

When we lose against Real Madrid that's because we played against all-time great squads. When Ajax trashes them, it's because they were young and vibrant.

We are talking about different years and entirely different situations. I fail to see a connection between the two.

 

[Cerval]

Klopp was in the weaker club, of course he'd have less success. Klopp wouldn't win shit with Fiorentina but that doesn't mean he's bad.

I agree. I think he's great even. Just think Zidane is better coach personally

 

[Dostoevsky]

We are talking about different years and entirely different sutations. I fail to see a connection between the two.

Your task is to win CL titles, not finding excuses why we didn't win it. Do the unexpected. Hell, Leicester managed to do it.

It's always us saying could have, should have.

 

[zizinho]

To be honest , it was beautiful football , watching Lavesi and Cavani countering was thrilling even with Higuain... i was envying them they have such approach .... our directors wanted to replicate this but all failed with us ....

our team identity is different , they play without care of results , but for us it is difficult .... we need both ...

Lavezzi and Cavani? You sure you're not a fan of Mazzari football after all?

 

[Post Ironic]

It's not titles won but how they play. Klopp is more suited for Europe imo. Allegri was close and I do love him as a coach, but I don't see us winning CL with him, no. Allegri used to have great players in that team and I doubt he'd find this one to be an eye candy. Klopp might take more time but I do see us getting better in Europe because we'd have suited style for CL, unlike with usual Italian coaches. What Klopp did in his career is quite huge. Nobody expected Klopp to win with Liverpool, not even their fans, yet he did. My Liverpool buddy friend didn't even expect EPL title.

I have a feeling Liverpool will do something stupid and sack him. Whoever grabs him will be lucky.

Allegri’s style absolutely suits Europe. Hence the reason we played 2 CL finals in 3 years. It’s disingenuous to say otherwise and simply not true. Of course he wouldn’t find current team construction attractive. No top coach would. You think Klopp looks at our squad and he’s excited to coach it?

Give it a rest, man. Max with a a couple minor improvements on our weakest positions in 14-15 and 16-17 would have us with two titles right now. Heck, a fit Chiellini in 14-15 and we beat Barca imo.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I agree. I think he's great even. Just think Zidane is better coach personally

We'll see.

Imo it's a more difficult task to coach Dortmund and Liverpool compared to Real Madrid.

 

[Post Ironic]

Your task is to win CL titles, not finding excuses why we didn't win it. Do the unexpected. Hell, Leicester managed to do it.

It's always us saying could have, should have.

Klopp is 1 win - 3 losses in European finals, by your own metric this is a failure. His win came when he got lucky enough to face a mediocre Spurs team in the final.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Allegri’s style absolutely suits Europe. Hence the reason we played 2 CL finals in 3 years. It’s disingenuous to say otherwise and simply not true. Of course he wouldn’t find current team construction attractive. No top coach would. You think Klopp looks at our squad and he’s excited to coach it?

Give it a rest, man. Max with a a couple minor improvements on our weakest positions in 14-15 and 16-17 would have us with two titles right now. Heck, a fit Chiellini in 14-15 and we beat Barca imo.

Dude. Go read my posts about Allegri. What the hell... I always said he's a great coach. I'm arguing about different things.

Also, finals mean shit because nobody remembers who won the silver medal. Medal per se doesn't mean much always because even shit coaches like Rijkaard won everything.

With our old midfield we would have passed Porto even with Pirlo.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Klopp is 1 win - 3 losses in European finals, by your own metric this is a failure. His win came when he got lucky enough to face a mediocre Spurs team in the final.

And look who he coached.

Nobody expected them to be there 3-4 times.

 

[Post Ironic]

When we lose against Real Madrid that's because we played against all-time great squads. When Ajax trashes them, it's because they were young and vibrant.

Real Madrid 2016-17 and Real Madrid 2018-19 are two very different sides. What a nonsense post. You’re better than this

 

[Dostoevsky]

Real Madrid 2016-17 and Real Madrid 2018-19 are two very different sides. What a nonsense post. You’re better than this

So are we.

We used to have a better squad.

 

[Post Ironic]

Dude. Go read my posts about Allegri. What the hell... I always said he's a great coach. I'm arguing about different things.

Also, finals mean shit because nobody remembers who won the silver medal. Medal per se doesn't mean much always because even shit coaches like Rijkaard won everything.

With our old midfield we would have passed Porto even with Pirlo.

Of course finals aren’t the same thing as winning. But you don’t get choose to your opponent, and we came up against better teams, with better players twice. Simple as that.

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So are we.

We used to have a better squad.

Your point? Our 2016-17 overperformed massively in Europe thanks to Max. We were nowhere near Real’s level, player-wise.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Of course finals aren’t the same thing as winning. But you don’t get choose to your opponent, and we came up against better teams, with better players twice. Simple as that.

It's balls and mentality. Not just that.

How did Leicester win EPL?

 

[Vlad]

Your task is to win CL titles, not finding excuses why we didn't win it. Do the unexpected. Hell, Leicester managed to do it.

It's always us saying could have, should have.

Again, winning CL isnt objective, teams like City have spent billions and never came close. United in the last decade, PSG, etc... It is way too unpredictable, but the fact that we indeed came close, makes me more in favor of a coach that made us European powerhouse. You dismissed Allegri because he apparently lacks success in Europe which is absurd considering how his Juventus performed during his tenure.

 

[Post Ironic]

And look who he coached.

Nobody expected them to be there 3-4 times.

no one expected us there either after Conte. Not a single person. Nor again in 16-17 with choker Higgy. Lol

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It's balls and mentality. Not just that.

How did Leicester win EPL?

We literally lost to Barca due to “balls”. We pressed them hard after scoring our first and could have easily had a penalty for the second. Instead they hit us on the counter against the run of play of the last 45 minutes, and won.