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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,043
have you ever heard a coach admitting failure beforehand?

he's just taking pressure off the squad. also, his pre-match conference was vintage allegri with his "barza is fresh like a daisy" kinda remarks.

he fucked two things this term: we peaked at the wrong time, and he froze benatia out. otherwise it's a normal result oriented season by allegri. i can't get the hate he's facing. :boh:
Hate is over the top. But expectations were all time high before the season began due to signing of the Goat, eventhough signs were all there that team isnt complete. Criticism after Atletico game were warranted, he messed up with approach, selection, etc... Allegri's teams have more facets to their game, hes more adaptable and reads the game well, yet he failed to outwit Simeone and break down the team that for the past 5-6 years havent changed the approach. Thats what is puzzling to me.
 

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Aug 2, 2005
4,420
As Allegri said, it was one game and everything could happen during one match. Yet some people now claim they 'knew from the beginning' that it was coming. Pathetic.
Actually not some people.. many expected this outcoming against ATM. It is not like we are against team better than us, but most knew if Allegri approach to this game is negative (which was) then we will lose.
Now that we have no choice but to attack, we actually may have a better chance than a draw in Madrid. Though 2-0 is a difficult result to overcome

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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,676
... yet he failed to outwit Simeone and break down the team that for the past 5-6 years havent changed the approach. Thats what is puzzling to me.
to be frank, atleti is incredibly hard to break. best defense in the world, period. also, allegri can't predict fuckups like the one bonucci made before their first goal. you can't prepare for those moments.

imo physical condition of the team is a bigger issue than our so called pussy approach. during a high tempo match, we look exhausted after 60 minutes, and that is something that already cost us cardiff. we peaked at the wrong time.

as for the squad: as @lgorTudor said some weeks ago, our formation is an unorthodox 3-1-3. we simply lack a class cb instead of bonucci, and 2 mids to complete pjanic. accepting nothing else but winning the cl with bentancur or matuidi behind ronaldo is not realistic at all.
 
Jan 22, 2016
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Hate is over the top. But expectations were all time high before the season began due to signing of the Goat, eventhough signs were all there that team isnt complete. Criticism after Atletico game were warranted, he messed up with approach, selection, etc... Allegri's teams have more facets to their game, hes more adaptable and reads the game well, yet he failed to outwit Simeone and break down the team that for the past 5-6 years havent changed the approach. Thats what is puzzling to me.
I don't think that bold part is true at all. We seem to always gets rekt in the second half of games by opposition team. How is he a good reader of the game when he tends to lose the battle of half time in UCL frequently ?
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,043
to be frank, atleti is incredibly hard to break. best defense in the world, period. also, allegri can't predict fuckups like the one bonucci made before their first goal. you can't prepare for those moments.

imo physical condition of the team is a bigger issue than our so called pussy approach. during a high tempo match, we look exhausted after 60 minutes, and that is something that already cost us cardiff. we peaked at the wrong time.

as for the squad: as @lgorTudor said some weeks ago, our formation is an unorthodox 3-1-3. we simply lack a class cb instead of bonucci, and 2 mids to complete pjanic. accepting nothing else but winning the cl with bentancur or matuidi behind ronaldo is not realistic at all.
Bonucci has been making brainfarts since the season begun so there is a clear pattern. But no I dont blame him for Bonucci, approach and build up to the game was entirely wrong. You have a point about physical state of players like Pjanic and winning CL depends on a lot of variables but expectations were higher than 1st knockout round, which is entirely realistic.

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I don't think that bold part is true at all. We seem to always gets rekt in the second half of games by opposition team. How is he a good reader of the game when he tends to lose the battle of half time in UCL frequently ?
Tottenham...
 
Jan 22, 2016
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Bonucci has been making brainfarts since the season begun so there is a clear pattern. But no I dont blame him for Bonucci, approach and build up to the game was entirely wrong. You have a point about physical state of players like Pjanic and winning CL depends on a lot of variables but expectations were higher than 1st knockout round, which is entirely realistic.

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Tottenham...
One game dosent change anything, especially when you consider in the first leg TOT came back and could have won the game in our pitch.

Even in the next round, both second halfs against Real, Zidane outsmarted him completely.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,043
One game dosent change anything, especially when you consider in the first leg TOT came back and could have won the game in our pitch.

Even in the next round, both second halfs against Real, Zidane outsmarted him completely.
the game we won 3-1? How did he outsmart him? I mean it was dubious penalty at the end decided the outcome. First leg though we were wasteful af and few ref decisions went against us... I swear hes either shit, useless or genius.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
Can people stop with this peaked too early nonsense excuse we never peaked at all we had a couple of good matches early in season but it was mostly the same turd football we were playing just spamming cross after cross looking for headers.
I dont think anyone has used this excuse, because is ridiculous.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,005
After the first leg against Madrid last year he said something along the lines of "Oh well, we have two other competitions to play for" and then went to the Bernabeu to put up a spirited fight. These comments are nothing new.

Unfortunately though, 'putting up a fight' is not enough for this Juve. Regardless of how we perform against Atletico on Tuesday, not progressing beyond the round of 16 will be a considered an abject failure this season. Since the start of the season, there was talk of only one thing that is the CL. We have been the highest spending club in Europe. I'm tired of Juve just 'putting up a fight', how about we actually cross the final hurdle too...

This was the season he was expected to step up and we have looked in the worst shape ever since he took over. It is high time for a change and a change in approach in our football.
 

JuveE46

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,595
if you believe the tie isn't over then what is the problem? He can take responsibility if we go out when it happens, until then he should be optimistic for the fans and especially his players.

Does this look like optimism to you? I dont remember even Del Neri running his mouth so much without thinking first. Overall level has increased? Motherfawker you have RONALDO in your squad now are you aware of this? just wow..Malmo? white as sheet? Just a football match?
I was mad at him before now I want this joker gone no matter how he does in this CL. Like i said this guy doesnt know when to STFU he is a paper-coach...show the players his plan on the blackboard no other skills..no feeling of what to say and when to say it. Just wow.

“Since I arrived, the Champions League has always been an objective, but if people say that it’s a failure if Juventus go out, that is not right. “The overall level in the Champions League has increased and on Tuesday we’ll do our best. If we go through, then that’s great, if not then we’ll try again next year. “In every season we reached the knockout stages, so we’ll see what happens. I remember in my first season here we played against Malmo: there were people who were white as a sheet with fear.
“Even if I keep hearing otherwise, if Juventus go out, it won’t be a failure. I find that laughable. If we go through, fine, but if not then it’s just a football match and we’ll try again. We’ve in theory already won two trophies this season. That is not a failure.”

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the game we won 3-1? How did he outsmart him? I mean it was dubious penalty at the end decided the outcome. First leg though we were wasteful af and few ref decisions went against us... I swear hes either shit, useless or genius.
How? the players ran, ran and ran some more, we choked them simple as that. what did he do with athletico? The EXACT OPPOSITE. Allegri gave atletico way too much space this was our main downfall. had we played it by the same gameplan as RM it would have been a 0-0 even if we couldnt score up front. He was shit and wont admit it and this is what hurts the most not that he got it wrong.

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Bonucci has been making brainfarts since the season begun so there is a clear pattern. But no I dont blame him for Bonucci, approach and build up to the game was entirely wrong. You have a point about physical state of players like Pjanic and winning CL depends on a lot of variables but expectations were higher than 1st knockout round, which is entirely realistic.

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Tottenham...
Amen brother at least one guy admits it in so many words. Allegri needed to speak those words.

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have you ever heard a coach admitting failure beforehand?

he's just taking pressure off the squad. also, his pre-match conference was vintage allegri with his "barza is fresh like a daisy" kinda remarks.

he fucked two things this term: we peaked at the wrong time, and he froze benatia out. otherwise it's a normal result oriented season by allegri. i can't get the hate he's facing. :boh:
Beforehand no but what about afterwards? I get that the tie is not over yet but that is exactly the problem. To take pressure of the players a coach admits if he was wrong. I got the first leg wrong but we will work on doing better PERIOD.. You dont talk about malmo you dont talk about nonesense and BS get defensive.. Take blame, do better that is what any fan can expect. That is how you make the second leg better not by diverting to nonesense like a child.
 
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juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
https://app.football-italia.net/?re...a.net#article/footballitalia-135559&menu=blog

Massimiliano Allegri’s car was pelted with eggs when he arrived to replace club legend Antonio Conte in July 2014. Fast forward five years and he proved the doubters wrong with multiple records, trophies, individual accolades and two Champions League Final appearances. Yet a quick scan of social media would have you believe he is a flop who brought shame upon the Old Lady and should’ve been sacked some time ago.
The Bianconeri faithful have become increasingly despondent with what they deem as negative tactics and boring football. Now some will – rightly – point out that The Old Lady have never been an overly expansive side, but the defensive solidity that was once championed and celebrated has also begun to desert them. Relying on a strength that has weakened and seemingly refusing to embrace the obvious talent at your disposal is a recipe for disaster.
The last 18 months have seen a fundamental change in his thinking. One of the attributes that initially saw Allegri admired was his ability to find solutions. The Coach’s flexibility, the team’s adaptive nature and a multi-layered approach was a driving force behind their success. It is the reason they were able claim impressive victories over the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Monaco in recent years, whilst maintaining their vice-like grip of Serie A.
Always methodical, implementing changes took time and usually coincided with the calendar ticking over into the New Year. Retaining the formula from the previous season aided stability early on, the focus was on collecting wins and providing a platform for the business end of the campaign. This was highlighted in Allegri’s tactical switches during those periods.
It began with a move away from the famed 3-5-2 to a 4-3-1-2, only to see the former return before Allegri surprised everyone with a switch to a four-pronged attack in the shape of a 4-2-3-1. That formation was superseded by the current 4-3-3 and despite looking unbalanced at times, it has been maintained.
The former Milan and Sassuolo boss was somewhat forced into finding these solutions due to the way the Italian Champions operated on the transfer market. An abundance of brilliance has left during his tenure. The likes of Andrea Pirlo, Carlos Tevez, Arturo Vidal, Paul Pogba, Alvaro Morata and Dani Alves all moved on at important moments, leaving gaps in the squad, but Allegri made up for those shortfalls as he re-addressed the balance to find the best answer. The way the Serie A Coach of the year dealt with significant player turnover, but maintained a competitive team, is undeniably a great achievement.
So why has that pro-active version of Allegri become a distant memory? Partly, it is because Juve’s dynamic has changed. There’s no need for those short-term fixes, the quality of the players available grew and that was supposed to be reflected on the pitch. However, that never transpired and in its place a reliance on the individual was born, players that produce moments of magic to save the day and snatch victory.
When Allegri was required to create an ideology and define a way of playing, he failed to do so. Look back over the last 18 months and you can count on one hand the occasions where Juventus played as a cohesive unit. You can find many more examples where they played poorly, but were saved by Mario Mandzukic, Paulo Dybala, Douglas Costa, Miralem Pjanic or more recently, Cristiano Ronaldo.
Is it fair to say that Allegri performs better when his options are limited? Look back over his first couple of seasons in charge, there was a clear disparity between the starting XI and players on the bench, options that included players such as Angelo Ogbonna, Simone Padoin, Roberto Pereyra, Mario Lemina and Stefano Sturaro. This results in working with a smaller core of players to maximise their potential as a group, so limitations existed, but the set-up was understood and boundaries pushed. In comparison, Allegri now boasts several options to choose from that provide near unlimited variety.
This is not to say that, in its current form, the Juventus squad is complete. Leonardo Bonucci is a shadow of his former self and the hierarchy’s failure to address the imbalance in midfield has certainly hampered the 51-year-old Coach.
The central midfield options are one-dimensional and the lack of a box-to-box technician capable of influencing play in the final third creates a dysfunction. That complication can be no excuse and Allegri appears fazed by the challenge of fusing Ronaldo, Pjanic, Joao Cancelo and co into the world’s best outfit.
Rather than address the faults, Allegri has used winning as way to cover them up. It has become a case of finding a way to win each game, use the appropriate tactic to win the battle in front you when belief in a single approach would overcome most opponents. Of course, there are multiple ways of playing, but when you look at football’s heavyweights, you can identify the philosophy imposed by their manager.
Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City are an obvious example, but there are others such as Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone, Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool or Ernesto Valverde’s reinvented Barcelona. Can anyone identify what the Juventus way of playing actually is?
The question remains, are Allegri’s tactics negative? Pragmatic certainly, but is it more a case of the Coach finding himself in an unfamiliar climate? One that he has not been previously exposed to, leading to a safety-first approach?
There has been tinkering during the last few months, but the players Allegri relies on – Sami Khedira for example - have remained, when this group needed to be unleashed. This set of players have vast potential and Allegri is the man that holds the key to unlocking it, but does he have the bravery to make the next step? Currently, it’s simply a no.
In football, judging the moment to make changes is priceless and if timed correctly, the possibilities are endless. At this current juncture, it seems that this time around, Allegri has missed the chance to make those required changes.
When Juventus and Allegri eventually call time on their agreement, he will leave as one of the most decorated Coaches in La Vecchia Signora’s rich history. Despite those that seem intent on tarnishing his time in Turin, that can never be taken away from him. If it is to be goodbye this time round, Max Allegri deserves a send-off befitting of the success he brought to the club.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,672
"Of course, there are multiple ways of playing, but when you look at football’s heavyweights, you can identify the philosophy imposed by their manager.
Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City are an obvious example, but there are others such as Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone, Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool or Ernesto Valverde’s reinvented Barcelona. Can anyone identify what the Juventus way of playing actually is?"

That's actually not a negative thing for me.
 

lgorTudor

Senior Member
Jan 15, 2015
32,951
"Of course, there are multiple ways of playing, but when you look at football’s heavyweights, you can identify the philosophy imposed by their manager.
Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City are an obvious example, but there are others such as Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone, Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool or Ernesto Valverde’s reinvented Barcelona. Can anyone identify what the Juventus way of playing actually is?"

That's actually not a negative thing for me.
That has been Max' strength throughout the years

the author is a cuck like Hydde or so

Volume of that text and the amount of estrogen it emanates smells like Hydde indeed
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
That's actually not a negative thing for me.
It’s a negative if it doesn’t work, our lack of gameplan against Atletico Madrid was obvious.

I think Allegri is a natural defensive manager, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But now that we have Ronaldo in our team, there is an expectation/pressure from the media and the fans to play attacking football, and that doesn’t suit Allegri as much.

Atletico Madrid have a squad that would suit Allegri perfectly. Hard working forwards like Griezmann and Correa, a perfect target man in Costa, and technical midfielders with grinta like Saul and Koke.

Allegri is a great manager, but maybe not the right manager for this squad.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
It won't be a failure if we are out? Really max? Is CR7 going to get any younger? Are we ever going to get a better chance? Just quit already!!
it's pathetic when he yell to the world "it won't be a failure if we don't qualify" and you're at best 16 stage....
I could comply if we were in semi finals and failed to reach the final.
But right now? After the investments made last summer?
It's a too big of failure.
Seria right now isn't enough for us.
We need to be year in and year out in the best 4 at worst best 8. But that's it.
 

HAZEM

L'architetto
Apr 22, 2008
8,219
the problem is i like allegri, and i really would have liked him to win he CL with us. he is a great a coach no doubt about it. he didn't have the money and luck and corruption of the spanish teams yet he did his best and he did a lot of masterclass matches. i really would have loved if we had better midfield in our team this year to see him do what he can. i like ronaldo and i still have faith that he can perform for other couple of years.

my only concern is the vision of the club because after the loss of tevez vidal pirlo pogba marchisio and no buffon and the ageing players like chiellini and bonucci.

where is the foundation of our team? i am scared of becoming like Milan and Inter.

we need changes and its not all about allegri.
 

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