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AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,126
He is definitely leaving after this season. He Can't hold on the huge pressure.

He was a great coach when we were underdog as a team. Since expectation has increased and we became favorites in UCL , he dosent have the guts and answer for it and eventually something obvious goes wrong and we lose it.

This year as expected, happened a lot sooner.
Nah all the signs point to a renewal
 

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Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
I'm sure this guy would have benched 18 years old Pogba on his first season apart from 2 or 3 games and some known folk here would defend his ass and say " we have 3 world class mids, who do bench for a 18 years old?" :D
It was certainly very un-Italian from Conte to make Pogba a starter at the age of 19 when we already had 3 wc mids.

If Pep comes here, the first thing he will probably do is bench Mandzukic for Kean.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Allegri's Juventus has no identity
Juventus keep notching records, yet Max Allegri is lambasted for failing to make the most of their talent. Elio Salerno analyses the Bianconeri problems.

Massimiliano Allegri’s car was pelted with eggs when he arrived to replace club legend Antonio Conte in July 2014. Fast forward five years and he proved the doubters wrong with multiple records, trophies, individual accolades and two Champions League Final appearances. Yet a quick scan of social media would have you believe he is a flop who brought shame upon the Old Lady and should’ve been sacked some time ago.
The Bianconeri faithful have become increasingly despondent with what they deem as negative tactics and boring football. Now some will – rightly – point out that The Old Lady have never been an overly expansive side, but the defensive solidity that was once championed and celebrated has also begun to desert them. Relying on a strength that has weakened and seemingly refusing to embrace the obvious talent at your disposal is a recipe for disaster.
The last 18 months have seen a fundamental change in his thinking. One of the attributes that initially saw Allegri admired was his ability to find solutions. The Coach’s flexibility, the team’s adaptive nature and a multi-layered approach was a driving force behind their success. It is the reason they were able claim impressive victories over the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Monaco in recent years, whilst maintaining their vice-like grip of Serie A.
Always methodical, implementing changes took time and usually coincided with the calendar ticking over into the New Year. Retaining the formula from the previous season aided stability early on, the focus was on collecting wins and providing a platform for the business end of the campaign. This was highlighted in Allegri’s tactical switches during those periods.
It began with a move away from the famed 3-5-2 to a 4-3-1-2, only to see the former return before Allegri surprised everyone with a switch to a four-pronged attack in the shape of a 4-2-3-1. That formation was superseded by the current 4-3-3 and despite looking unbalanced at times, it has been maintained.

The former Milan and Sassuolo boss was somewhat forced into finding these solutions due to the way the Italian Champions operated on the transfer market. An abundance of brilliance has left during his tenure. The likes of Andrea Pirlo, Carlos Tevez, Arturo Vidal, Paul Pogba, Alvaro Morata and Dani Alves all moved on at important moments, leaving gaps in the squad, but Allegri made up for those shortfalls as he re-addressed the balance to find the best answer. The way the Serie A Coach of the year dealt with significant player turnover, but maintained a competitive team, is undeniably a great achievement.
So why has that pro-active version of Allegri become a distant memory? Partly, it is because Juve’s dynamic has changed. There’s no need for those short-term fixes, the quality of the players available grew and that was supposed to be reflected on the pitch. However, that never transpired and in its place a reliance on the individual was born, players that produce moments of magic to save the day and snatch victory.

When Allegri was required to create an ideology and define a way of playing, he failed to do so. Look back over the last 18 months and you can count on one hand the occasions where Juventus played as a cohesive unit. You can find many more examples where they played poorly, but were saved by Mario Mandzukic, Paulo Dybala, Douglas Costa, Miralem Pjanic or more recently, Cristiano Ronaldo.
Is it fair to say that Allegri performs better when his options are limited? Look back over his first couple of seasons in charge, there was a clear disparity between the starting XI and players on the bench, options that included players such as Angelo Ogbonna, Simone Padoin, Roberto Pereyra, Mario Lemina and Stefano Sturaro. This results in working with a smaller core of players to maximise their potential as a group, so limitations existed, but the set-up was understood and boundaries pushed. In comparison, Allegri now boasts several options to choose from that provide near unlimited variety.
This is not to say that, in its current form, the Juventus squad is complete. Leonardo Bonucci is a shadow of his former self and the hierarchy’s failure to address the imbalance in midfield has certainly hampered the 51-year-old Coach.
The central midfield options are one-dimensional and the lack of a box-to-box technician capable of influencing play in the final third creates a dysfunction. That complication can be no excuse and Allegri appears fazed by the challenge of fusing Ronaldo, Pjanic, Joao Cancelo and co into the world’s best outfit.
Rather than address the faults, Allegri has used winning as way to cover them up. It has become a case of finding a way to win each game, use the appropriate tactic to win the battle in front you when belief in a single approach would overcome most opponents. Of course, there are multiple ways of playing, but when you look at football’s heavyweights, you can identify the philosophy imposed by their manager.
Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City are an obvious example, but there are others such as Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone, Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool or Ernesto Valverde’s reinvented Barcelona. Can anyone identify what the Juventus way of playing actually is?

The question remains, are Allegri’s tactics negative? Pragmatic certainly, but is it more a case of the Coach finding himself in an unfamiliar climate? One that he has not been previously exposed to, leading to a safety-first approach?
There has been tinkering during the last few months, but the players Allegri relies on – Sami Khedira for example - have remained, when this group needed to be unleashed. This set of players have vast potential and Allegri is the man that holds the key to unlocking it, but does he have the bravery to make the next step? Currently, it’s simply a no.
In football, judging the moment to make changes is priceless and if timed correctly, the possibilities are endless. At this current juncture, it seems that this time around, Allegri has missed the chance to make those required changes.
When Juventus and Allegri eventually call time on their agreement, he will leave as one of the most decorated Coaches in La Vecchia Signora’s rich history. Despite those that seem intent on tarnishing his time in Turin, that can never be taken away from him. If it is to be goodbye this time round, Max Allegri deserves a send-off befitting of the success he brought to the club.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,076
I never expected you to turn your back on Allegri.
I haven’t, I still think he’s been phenomenal for us, but it’s clear something has broken between him and the squad/management.

And it’s been pretty clear in his press conferences too, he used to have fun with the media, now he’s letting them get to him. Deleting his social media accounts was a total cuck move.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,042
This time around he has missed the chance

That's what I have been saying since November
That United game was turning point imo. I still feel we should continue with him regardless of Atletico results. However Id be intrigued to see where a coach like Zidane would take us next season.

This season though he didnt experiment as before, maybe because domestic results never required from him to try something else. We have been cruising in Serie A, despite some woeful games and have enough individual quality to pull us through when we get into trouble. But in Europe where the level of playing field is much higher it came back to bite us in the ass. Now he will simply have to experiment on Tuesday.
 
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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,663
His comments are a mix of Delneri and Conte these days. Sad!
have you ever heard a coach admitting failure beforehand?

he's just taking pressure off the squad. also, his pre-match conference was vintage allegri with his "barza is fresh like a daisy" kinda remarks.

he fucked two things this term: we peaked at the wrong time, and he froze benatia out. otherwise it's a normal result oriented season by allegri. i can't get the hate he's facing. :boh:
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,357
have you ever heard a coach admitting failure beforehand?

he's just taking pressure off the squad. also, his pre-match conference was vintage allegri with his "barza is fresh like a daisy" kinda remarks.

he fucked two things this term: we peaked at the wrong time, and he froze benatia out. otherwise it's a normal result oriented season by allegri. i can't get the hate he's facing. :boh:
After the first leg against Madrid last year he said something along the lines of "Oh well, we have two other competitions to play for" and then went to the Bernabeu to put up a spirited fight. These comments are nothing new.
 

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