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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,052
I think we would set some kind of precedent to fire a coach after record breaking start into the season, because of our playing style. Outrageous tbh. We have issues but I see those more related to group of players we currently have and lack of dynamic creative midfielder. Imo
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
I think we would set some kind of precedent to fire a coach after record breaking start into the season, because of our playing style. Outrageous tbh. We have issues but I see those more related to group of players we currently have and lack of dynamic creative midfielder. Imo
The thing is we have dynamic creative midfielders, but they are benched whenever Allegri is going for his prefered starting eleven.
I think it is a bit worrying that he keeps pushing for the Dybala-Ronaldo-Mandzu frontline, that is really no performing that well.
Really wish he would start putting some priority into getting some more creativity into the team. When you have a coach, who likes to give his forwards a lot of freedom and who is not a believer of having strict attacking structures, those players who can create just becomes even more important.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,052
The thing is we have dynamic creative midfielders, but they are benched whenever Allegri is going for his prefered starting eleven.
I think it is a bit worrying that he keeps pushing for the Dybala-Ronaldo-Mandzu frontline, that is really no performing that well.
Really wish he would start putting some priority into getting some more creativity into the team. When you have a coach, who likes to give his forwards a lot of freedom and who is not a believer of having strict attacking structures, those players who can create just becomes even more important.
Who are they? Maybe Im failing to notice someone like Isco or Pogba warming our bench. :p
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,052
Costa and Berna.
They cant cut it as a central mids and this is where our woes lie. If you want more attractive play, slick passes through the middle, you need to have midfielders capable of pulling it off. Players which are good under pressure, great first touch and close control, sharp eye for a pass, etc...
 
Jan 22, 2016
2,188
They cant cut it as a central mids and this is where our woes lie. If you want more attractive play, slick passes through the middle, you need to have midfielders capable of pulling it off. Players which are good under pressure, great first touch and close control, sharp eye for a pass, etc...
I think Cuadrado could be a very good B2B mid in the long run. He has the engine and the technique to play in the middle.

We played him twice as a midfielder this year against Manchester and he was one our better performers in both matches.

I believe our tedious mid would suddenly improve a lot with this switch.
 

IlCapitano

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2012
5,614
You don't even deserve a reply, the way you change the discussion and make things up, to try to come out good on the other end. I never said anything about pretty football, that's a very silly attempt. I like effective and direct football, if you are interested in my personal preference.

I have achieved my goal, to establish the fact that Allegri doesn't have any favor over other coaches in March, therefore meaning that worries about our play now, is relevant in the discussion.

That's all there is about it, I have no clue where you are going now with the rest of it, if you dont disagree.
I don't deserve a reply yet you couldn't wait to reply and try to twist my words again? Cool story.

I never changed the discussion. You're the one trying to twist everyone's words. No one ever said Allegri has a magic switch nor did anyone say Allegri has some sort of secret advantage over other teams when talking about peak form in spring.

Peak form is about being in best possible condition physically, mentally, tactically, technically for the most important stretch of the season. That is achieved differently by different coaches. We may still play the same way, still have the same tactical and technical choices but the whole team will be in a better position to win games because of things I listed above.

I know you didn't say anything about pretty football. I'm saying you're confusing taste and quality. You don't like the way we play so you think it's bad football. No, it's maybe ugly to some, but this is the best Juventus both performance and results wise in these 8 years at this point of the season.

The only thing you've achieved is twist everyone's words. I don't know how you could've established that when no one ever said that. Idk what makes you think Allegri needs a favor over other coaches and Idk what is there to worry about our current performance. 19 1 2 is unbelievable quite honestly. Only really miserable people can bitch about that.
 

Snobist

DareDevil
Apr 16, 2017
13,287
Our results are truly terrible. We should definitely sack him. We’re basically in the relegation zone, and already got kicked out of CL. Nothing to lose by firing this bum.
That the reason he wont get fired. At Juve all they care is about results. He just pulled off a record of 46/48 points. No team has managed that in top 5 leagues in Europe.
 

Snobist

DareDevil
Apr 16, 2017
13,287
I think Cuadrado could be a very good B2B mid in the long run. He has the engine and the technique to play in the middle.

We played him twice as a midfielder this year against Manchester and he was one our better performers in both matches.

I believe our tedious mid would suddenly improve a lot with this switch.
In long run he will be 35 years old.
 

juve103423

Senior Member
Mar 22, 2010
949
I don't deserve a reply yet you couldn't wait to reply and try to twist my words again? Cool story.

I never changed the discussion. You're the one trying to twist everyone's words. No one ever said Allegri has a magic switch nor did anyone say Allegri has some sort of secret advantage over other teams when talking about peak form in spring.

Peak form is about being in best possible condition physically, mentally, tactically, technically for the most important stretch of the season. That is achieved differently by different coaches. We may still play the same way, still have the same tactical and technical choices but the whole team will be in a better position to win games because of things I listed above.

I know you didn't say anything about pretty football. I'm saying you're confusing taste and quality. You don't like the way we play so you think it's bad football. No, it's maybe ugly to some, but this is the best Juventus both performance and results wise in these 8 years at this point of the season.

The only thing you've achieved is twist everyone's words. I don't know how you could've established that when no one ever said that. Idk what makes you think Allegri needs a favor over other coaches and Idk what is there to worry about our current performance. 19 1 2 is unbelievable quite honestly. Only really miserable people can bitch about that.
How do you know what I like? That's a remarkable assumption you throw in there.
My personal opinion is that we right now (the last 5 games or so) play very poor football. Not talking about entertainment, I'm talking about our level. That's it. We struggle to win, look very disorganized and confused, we get run over sometimes, and Allegri himself is even afraid to perform a single substitution. That means that he is not very confident in his team. Especially with injuries and players he actually need to rest. That was what these posts were all about, before some of you started to talk about taste, Sarri and other things.

And yes, I agree that it does look great in Serie A in terms of points. But I also wouldn't expect anything less.

After all it seems we don't disagree that much.
 
Apr 19, 2007
3,959
I still remember the day Conte resigned and Allegri took the job. Almost all members except some Conte haters were all crying and loosing their shit, bashing management left and right for giving the job to this guy.

I remember i was the only one between my friends that i believed we would get a better result in CL with Allegri and thought it was a right time Conte left the club.

Our gameplay and passing improved massively under Allegri in his first season and that let us playing some silky football and going far in the CL because of it. we weren't able to play half as pretty with exact same players under Conte. He got too pragmatic in his last 2 seasons and left and betrayed his philosophy of his game.
Talking shit about our players not good enough for CL always made me fuming because i believed that team could give more under another circumstances.

Assigning Allegri and reaching CL final suddenly showed that Conte was wrong and we all laughed at his 10 euros restaurant with each win in the CL.

Fast forward i have the same feeling i had 4 years ago during Conte's era. I believe this team can give a lot more than of what is showing right now. We don't even play on the level of Allegri's first season despite having a much stronger Squad. Don't bring up the 2015's midfield, we all know it wasn't as good as we think of it right now. Vidal was extremely out of form, couldn't even pass the ball correctly, Pirlo was simply past it and showed weakness in his last season a lot.Pogba and Marchisio were the only mids playing up to their name that year. Even Pogba got injured but our level of passing and gameplay never dropped even with guys like Padion in the line up.

What I try to say is, don't expect some disastrous results without this guy at the helm, we might even play much better and get better results under another coach you guys are laughing at or bashing just like when we appointed Allegri 4 years ago.
Wnat Im saying isnt that youre wrong but just like with Allegri we got worse we could just as easily go the other direction. I think you nailed it by saying that a coaching change when having success guarantees a dropoff but in the same way it doesnt guarantee anything better either
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,965
Do you watch football just to see a team win? or do you enjoy certain plays more than others and would rather see the type of play you like more often?

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Both. I watch Juve to see the team win, and having watched this team for a good 25 years (in memory) it's always been a team with a massive team ethos and sprinkling of star quality. I'm not saying we simple have to play like that but we have and we do.

There are individual players I like or liked watching. Ronaldinho is one in particular because he had all the attributes - pace, power, skill, tricks and end product. Zidane in terms of aesthetics. Del Piero with his turns and curling shots, it goes on. But it's often easier to enjoy and appreciate players and styles of play from other teams because there is no stress involved, you don't care so much about the errors and flaws, so the good things are easy to watch.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
Allegri seem to be the kind of coach that will always back up his bad gameplay with great numbers in the league.
The thing is, that if we want to win the CL, we need to play better and most importantly, to complement our best player better, who is ronaldo.

He seems to be capable of winning us 10 more straight scudetti, but he will never take us to the next level gameplaywise.
 
Apr 19, 2007
3,959
Allegri seem to be the kind of coach that will always back up his bad gameplay with great numbers in the league.
The thing is, that if we want to win the CL, we need to play better and most importantly, to complement our best player better, who is ronaldo.

He seems to be capable of winning us 10 more straight scudetti, but he will never take us to the next level gameplaywise.
GetPep so we can win the league with style and do the same in the CL. What coach would make us better in CL?
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,619
Both. I watch Juve to see the team win, and having watched this team for a good 25 years (in memory) it's always been a team with a massive team ethos and sprinkling of star quality. I'm not saying we simple have to play like that but we have and we do.

There are individual players I like or liked watching. Ronaldinho is one in particular because he had all the attributes - pace, power, skill, tricks and end product. Zidane in terms of aesthetics. Del Piero with his turns and curling shots, it goes on. But it's often easier to enjoy and appreciate players and styles of play from other teams because there is no stress involved, you don't care so much about the errors and flaws, so the good things are easy to watch.
Totally Agree. And when we had a star studded squad with played boring football under Capello, we were right to complain. Capello should have done better in Europe in terms of results, but he definitely needed to improve in terms of style as well. It is such a waste of a great squad to play very slow tempo defensive football when you have this group of forwards.
 

Snobist

DareDevil
Apr 16, 2017
13,287
Having all these great players and making them play such painfull football, Allegri is indeed a genius. The players at his disposal if anyone just picks randomly 11 players they’d win games in Serie A and play more attractive football without giving any instruction. It’s like Allegri tries so hard to play bad football, he even said himself that he doesnt care about attractive/beautiful football. Beautiful football and getting results are not mutually exclusive, especially against small teams. It’s okay to play Chess 2-3 games a year against big teams where you really need a scrapy win.
 

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