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Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
13,365
I'm a big Allegri fan but the tactics of our team when we are chasing a goal are crazy. We seem to lose all composure, chuck on attackers and just launch it forward aimlessly.
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,397
Mourinho anticipated that and took advantage of it...
Nah he didn't anticipate anything. Same usual subs when they're desperate and got the troll win which won't matter much. We already know deep down are not quite there and united still continue to be absolute dog shit under him.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
88,433
It was his fault. We stopped creating chances and controlling the game as soon as he switched to 352

It was a cowardly substitution.
Man, our players missed 4-5 amazing chances. Despite the formation, it was our players that failed to score. It was a perfect set-up and we literally destroyed Manchester. What happened tonight was pure fucking luck for Manchester. It should have been 4-0 or even 5-0. And it was not Allegri's fault players managed to gamble it away. We spent so much of our time attacking, it's only normal that our players were tired, so pushing them back is quite normal that in 95% of the cases result in fine defening and our win. But not tonight.
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
United players were able to play one touch passing while shielding the ball with their back against the goal. That was exactly what got them their 1st goal from fk.

But somehow we couldn't do such simple thing that a CL contender team is expected to be able to do so.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,184
Man, our players missed 4-5 amazing chances. Despite the formation, it was our players that failed to score. It was a perfect set-up and we literally destroyed Manchester. What happened tonight was pure fucking luck for Manchester. It should have been 4-0 or even 5-0. And it was not Allegri's fault players managed to gamble it away. We spent so much of our time attacking, it's only normal that our players were tired, so pushing them back is quite normal that in 95% of the cases result in fine defening and our win. But not tonight.
Yes, our players missed some big chances, and that was not Allegri’s fault.

However, that doesn’t change the fact that his completely unnecessary Barzagli sub cost us the game. We were controlling the tempo of the game in our 433 formation, there was absolutely no logical reason to switch to 352.

Attack is the best form of defence. Your opponent can’t score if they are pinned in their own half, but Allegri doesn’t understand that. He loves to invite pressure late in games.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,814
Man, our players missed 4-5 amazing chances. Despite the formation, it was our players that failed to score. It was a perfect set-up and we literally destroyed Manchester. What happened tonight was pure fucking luck for Manchester. It should have been 4-0 or even 5-0. And it was not Allegri's fault players managed to gamble it away. We spent so much of our time attacking, it's only normal that our players were tired, so pushing them back is quite normal that in 95% of the cases result in fine defening and our win. But not tonight.
yep, THAT was not Allegris fault. his fault however was, when we didnt convert those chances, to put us in a position to lose by subbing Barza in. that one was on him for sure
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
88,433
Yes, our players missed some big chances, and that was not Allegri’s fault.

However, that doesn’t change the fact that his completely unnecessary Barzagli sub cost us the game. We were controlling the tempo of the game in our 433 formation, there was absolutely no logical reason to switch to 352.

Attack is the best form of defence. Your opponent can’t score if they are pinned in their own half, but Allegri doesn’t understand that. He loves to invite pressure late in games.
You can rarely see a team attak for 90 minutes with pressure. Also, Mourinho did manage to win every fucking thing, in all leagues, using that strategy.
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
I'm a big Allegri fan but the tactics of our team when we are chasing a goal are crazy. We seem to lose all composure, chuck on attackers and just launch it forward aimlessly.
It's a proof how poor the coaching team actually is when it comes to attacking side of the game. It's what separate a real top team from pretender who still try to punch above it's own weight and being scared at the 1st trouble.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
15,835
What happened tonight was pure fucking luck for Manchester.
I believe that too but part of me feels our last match was no different. They were very lucky then and extremely lucky tonight. But does luck exist? Because I'm failing to justify this defeat and FFS using luck as an answer makes me feel like some nipples fan.

That said, these red cunts have historically been 'lucky' as fuck throughout. They basically won a hell of a lot big games in the final minutes. This might take a while registering but on a whole the boys did well, Allegri knew what he was doing but it backfired.

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Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,184
You can rarely see a team attak for 90 minutes with pressure. Also, Mourinho did manage to win every fucking thing, in all leagues, using that strategy.
Football has moved on since Mourinho’s prime.

Barzagli is an MLS player, but Allegri doesn’t see that. He also didn’t see Pirlo’s decline either, nor does he see Khedira’s decline. Allegri doesn’t notice the decline of old players in general.
 
Mar 10, 2009
8,119
Football has moved on since Mourinho’s prime.

Barzagli is an MLS player, but Allegri doesn’t see that. He also didn’t see Pirlo’s decline either, nor does he see Khedira’s decline. Allegri doesn’t notice the decline of old players in general.

Well said. Had this been prime Barzagli you can somewhat justify it but this version is clearly expired.
 

JuelzSantana

Junior Member
Sep 28, 2017
416
Fellaini was targeting De Sciglio constantly, so Max probably tried to counter that with the Barzagli sub. Mourinho was clever for once, he instructed Fellaini to move to the middle so Barza followed him.That hurt us badly as it allowed Martial to attack a tired Cuadrado 1v1 on the wing.

The loss itself isn´t a worry but it´s just too bad it happened while the whole world was watching.
 

pavluska

Senior Member
Apr 25, 2013
7,339
Usual first half season experimentation and prepping by Allegri in both Utd games. Could've easily controlled the game more later in second halves like we do in Serie A vs this Utd but chose to bunker down and prep and test the defense. Bonucci and Chiellini got good practice in Manchester, not so much today.
 

Gigiventus

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2017
3,130
Everyone talking about the Barzagli sub like he was the one who fouled for the free kick, didn't save the shot, marked Pogba for the goal, and failed to be a proper GK and come out of the line to save it.

Allegri couldn't the shots himself. All of our other forwards and midfielders were either injured or just coming back from injury. This was the lineup we had to play, and it worked. The players had to kill the game beforehand, luck does play a role.
 
Mar 10, 2009
8,119
Everyone talking about the Barzagli sub like he was the one who fouled for the free kick, didn't save the shot, marked Pogba for the goal, and failed to be a proper GK and come out of the line to save it.

Allegri couldn't the shots himself. All of our other forwards and midfielders were either injured or just coming back from injury. This was the lineup we had to play, and it worked. The players had to kill the game beforehand, luck does play a role.

The sub invited the pressure. Had we kept going the game would have ended in Man Utd's half. It was a stupid move and unwarranted to do so, when you are in control against a team you are clearly better than.
 

Gigiventus

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2017
3,130
Barzagli was subbed for the right back on the 83rd minute in a game we were wining, against a team we were better than, at home.

It didn't work, but that is a reasonable sub. This is not the reason we lost, its an overreaction. It was bad luck, complacency at the end, Szczesny on the second goal, and of course not having scored more from the many chances we had.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
19,545
Barzagli was subbed for the right back on the 83rd minute in a game we were wining, against a team we were better than, at home.

It didn't work, but that is a reasonable sub. This is not the reason we lost, its an overreaction. It was bad luck, complacency at the end, Szczesny on the second goal, and of course not having scored more from the many chances we had.
Of course bad finishing should take most of the blame, but despite that trying to shut off the game at 83rd with Barzagli, especially when his opposing winger is Martial is just stupid. In fact trying to close the game when you're much better than the opposition is just stupid. It's happened so many times before.
 

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