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1st, he didnt build shit, he didnt buy none of those players, he was being given them. coaches dont buy players unless they are in England and call themself managers, when will people finally learn this? very limited squad 
also, you obviously dont know much about the BL 10 years ago, Bayern was far from what it is today in terms of league dominance, league was also far more balanced than it is now. VW won the title in 2009, Bayern responded with buying Robben, Olic, Gomez etc, and reclaimed the throne. barely, do i need to say? they were tied with Schalke at 64 pts 2 games before season end, they finished with 70 pts out of a possible 101. this Schalke team with Farfan as its star player should have no business competing with Bayern for the title, dot you think? next season, Dortmund won the title,with an astonishing 75 pts out of 101. Bayern was 3rd with 65, 5 pts better than Hannover and 3 pts behind 2nd place Leverkusen, and had they not fired Van Gaal somewhere around March, they wouldnt even have made the CL. props to Klopp for beating this super strong Bayern, and to Leverkusen as well i guess. Sahin was the seasons best player after which he went to Madrid, Kagawa, Hummels, Gotze, Lewa were emerging, it was a young and talented team on a rise that took its opportunity when Bayern was down. next season Bayerns rise started under Heynckes, but they still won only 73 pts (probably due to lack of depth and a deep CL run) and finished 2nd, and still needed some rebuilding to be done. the very next season, Bayern won 91 pts, and from this moment on, Klopp had no chance of ever sniffing to a title again. its the same story with Leicester, they had the luck of all top teams underachieving at the same time, and them having an extraordinary year for their standards, so they managed to win the league with 81 pts out of a possible 114. can you imagine them having their historical year this season? theyd probably finish 3rd or 4th, and wouldnt even be nearly as legendary and memorable as it was. you can say the same about Atletico, atleast one of Barcelona and Madrid have won atleast 91 points in all of the seasons since Ronaldo joined Madrid, except that one time when Atletico won the title and they both finished with 87. still, id consider Atleticos achievement much more impressive than Dortmunds even if it was only one year, since they beat 2 top teams and still needed to win 90pts. Monaco is the other impressive team, they won with 95 pts, so you cant say it was because PSG had a bad year. they legit beat them at their near best.
Klopps and Simeones impressive results are the CL finals they reached, or to be precise, eliminating Barcelona, Bayern and Madrid. same as Allegri. i kind of expect that Dortmund to knock out Shakhtar and Malaga (they barely won with 2 extratime goals) or the champions of Spain to eliminate a Milan and Chelsea side in shambles, or PSV in 2016 (which they barely won, on penalties lol). but those 3 duels vs Barcelona twice and Bayern once for Simeone, and Real Madrid once vs Klopp, those are their most impressive results so far. Allegri eliminated both Real and Barcelona (could have beaten both one more time with no ref mistakes), and could have be the only one to eliminate all of the big 3, if not for Moratas offside goal vs Bayern being disallowed. Klopp this season hasnt beaten a single one of the big 3, and unless he does so, this shouldnt be some extraordinary surprise. he still sucks in the league, never the less
also, you obviously dont know much about the BL 10 years ago, Bayern was far from what it is today in terms of league dominance, league was also far more balanced than it is now. VW won the title in 2009, Bayern responded with buying Robben, Olic, Gomez etc, and reclaimed the throne. barely, do i need to say? they were tied with Schalke at 64 pts 2 games before season end, they finished with 70 pts out of a possible 101. this Schalke team with Farfan as its star player should have no business competing with Bayern for the title, dot you think? next season, Dortmund won the title,with an astonishing 75 pts out of 101. Bayern was 3rd with 65, 5 pts better than Hannover and 3 pts behind 2nd place Leverkusen, and had they not fired Van Gaal somewhere around March, they wouldnt even have made the CL. props to Klopp for beating this super strong Bayern, and to Leverkusen as well i guess. Sahin was the seasons best player after which he went to Madrid, Kagawa, Hummels, Gotze, Lewa were emerging, it was a young and talented team on a rise that took its opportunity when Bayern was down. next season Bayerns rise started under Heynckes, but they still won only 73 pts (probably due to lack of depth and a deep CL run) and finished 2nd, and still needed some rebuilding to be done. the very next season, Bayern won 91 pts, and from this moment on, Klopp had no chance of ever sniffing to a title again. its the same story with Leicester, they had the luck of all top teams underachieving at the same time, and them having an extraordinary year for their standards, so they managed to win the league with 81 pts out of a possible 114. can you imagine them having their historical year this season? theyd probably finish 3rd or 4th, and wouldnt even be nearly as legendary and memorable as it was. you can say the same about Atletico, atleast one of Barcelona and Madrid have won atleast 91 points in all of the seasons since Ronaldo joined Madrid, except that one time when Atletico won the title and they both finished with 87. still, id consider Atleticos achievement much more impressive than Dortmunds even if it was only one year, since they beat 2 top teams and still needed to win 90pts. Monaco is the other impressive team, they won with 95 pts, so you cant say it was because PSG had a bad year. they legit beat them at their near best.
Klopps and Simeones impressive results are the CL finals they reached, or to be precise, eliminating Barcelona, Bayern and Madrid. same as Allegri. i kind of expect that Dortmund to knock out Shakhtar and Malaga (they barely won with 2 extratime goals) or the champions of Spain to eliminate a Milan and Chelsea side in shambles, or PSV in 2016 (which they barely won, on penalties lol). but those 3 duels vs Barcelona twice and Bayern once for Simeone, and Real Madrid once vs Klopp, those are their most impressive results so far. Allegri eliminated both Real and Barcelona (could have beaten both one more time with no ref mistakes), and could have be the only one to eliminate all of the big 3, if not for Moratas offside goal vs Bayern being disallowed. Klopp this season hasnt beaten a single one of the big 3, and unless he does so, this shouldnt be some extraordinary surprise. he still sucks in the league, never the less
I think you are not remembering well. I don't either so I looked it up. Dortmund won the league in 2010/11 and 2011/12 seasons twice in a row. The team that finished 2nd in that second league title was Bayern. In that very same season, Bayern went all the way to the CL final (beating Madrid in the process) and only lost by poor luck to Chelsea in the final. Heynckes was the coach. So by no means was this a poor team having a crazy bad season like you are making it seem. Look up their squad too and you'll know how good this team was. Only one year after they became the treble winners.
This year pool has bulldozed every team they faced in the CL including City. They havent beaten the top 3 because they havent played them. While we played them and got humiliated and needed a miracle to get past Spurs. In the past, Klopp's Dortmund beat Madrid and City in the group stage before bulldozing Madrid again in the famous semi-final.
I am not clear on what you are trying to argue. Do you believe that Klopp is a bad coach?
His results in the CL are on par with Allegris despite managing smaller teams. The style of his team is also significantly better.
He never got to manage a Bayern or a Juve to win five leagues in a row, but he nevertheless won 2 leagues in a row and the cup against CL finalists Heynck's Bayern. Undervalue that all you want, but two league titles with Dortmund shows he is pretty good at the league.
So good results in the CL (who knows he might even win it), good results in the league, on a tight budget with good football. How that signifies a dumb coach I dunno.
I believe he shows that you could play good attacking football and use that to punch above your weight in Europe, while picking up league titles. No need for snoozefest football.
Thats exactly the point. Both have had impressive achievements and got teams to punch well above their weight. But to some here this makes one a tactical genius and the other a joke or an idiot.
I dont care if you think Allegri is better than Klopp, he is a great manager afterall and we can argue back and forth. But no way a rational person can hold that one is a genius and the other is an idiot. Thats the type of position that I am saying is totally off.
I dont care if you think Allegri is better than Klopp, he is a great manager afterall and we can argue back and forth. But no way a rational person can hold that one is a genius and the other is an idiot. Thats the type of position that I am saying is totally off.
Dybala and Douglas Costa dropped?
By Football Italia staff
Juventus are expected to drop Paulo Dybala and Douglas Costa for Saturday’s Derby d’Italia against Inter, with a 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 formation.
It kicks off on Saturday at 19.45 UK time (18.45 GMT), click here for a match preview.
Giorgio Chiellini, Mattia De Sciglio and Stefano Sturaro are out injured, but Max Allegri is tempted to ring the changes following two disappointing performances against Crotone and Napoli.
With just one point from two games, their lead at the top of the table has been sliced to one point and there are four rounds to go.
According to the latest reports, Dybala and Douglas Costa could be dropped from the starting XI and the system moved to 3-5-2, although it could remain as 4-3-3 with Benedikt Howedes cutting inside as Alex Sandro moves up.
Andrea Barzagli is the favourite to step in for injured Chiellini rather than Daniele Rugani.
It’s believed Mario Mandzukic will partner Gonzalo Higuain in attack with Juan Cuadrado a good option on the right.
The midfield three or Sami Khedira, Miralem Pjanic and Blaise Matuidi remain untouched.
By Football Italia staff
Juventus are expected to drop Paulo Dybala and Douglas Costa for Saturday’s Derby d’Italia against Inter, with a 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 formation.
It kicks off on Saturday at 19.45 UK time (18.45 GMT), click here for a match preview.
Giorgio Chiellini, Mattia De Sciglio and Stefano Sturaro are out injured, but Max Allegri is tempted to ring the changes following two disappointing performances against Crotone and Napoli.
With just one point from two games, their lead at the top of the table has been sliced to one point and there are four rounds to go.
According to the latest reports, Dybala and Douglas Costa could be dropped from the starting XI and the system moved to 3-5-2, although it could remain as 4-3-3 with Benedikt Howedes cutting inside as Alex Sandro moves up.
Andrea Barzagli is the favourite to step in for injured Chiellini rather than Daniele Rugani.
It’s believed Mario Mandzukic will partner Gonzalo Higuain in attack with Juan Cuadrado a good option on the right.
The midfield three or Sami Khedira, Miralem Pjanic and Blaise Matuidi remain untouched.
i know, i mentioned Schalke for the 2010 season when Bayern won it after a close race, the season after Bayern was pure crap when they finished 3rd in the last few rounds beating Hannover for a CL spot, which Dortmund took advantage of. in 2012 as i said already, they reached the final and were fighting with Dortmund for thew title until the end, but that team ended up with 73 points, and Dortmund won the league with 81. this could be due to lack of depth, and fighting on 3 fronts until the end (they were 1st after 17-18 rounds, but you cold see the team crumbled in the end of the season, losing the crucial tie for the title to Dortmund, a CL final at home and even the Cup final. in 2012/13 however, the very next year, Bayern won 91 points, there is no way Dortmund or anyone else in Germany can come close to winning a title if Bayern has a consistency like this, which they simply didnt have in the previous years, hence the competition being so much more balanced in the 2000s and early 2010s.
beating City doesent impress me as much as it is presented tbh, they are a very strong league team but in these ties they showed already that they can fall apart last season vs Monaco. i reckon if they faced a stronger team than Basel in the 1st knock out stage, like us, they would have shown they weaknesses as well. they will have a chance to beat a big 3 team in the final, lets see how well they do. and when did we get humiliated? we were in excellent position to advance past Madrid in overtime, we had Cuadrado on the bench and 2 subs to use: Allegri set us up perfectly to win it in overtime, before the penalty took us out. miracle against spurs? now you reaching. and yes, Klopp beat Madrid in 2013, already said so. also already mentioned how underrated that team was, it wasnt considered a top team just because it was named Dortmund, and not Bayern or Real. also, Max beat both Barcelona and Real, the only coach to do so since he took us over. would have been Bayern as well, if it wasnt for Moratas disallowed goal
im not arguing that hes a bad coach, just correcting your wrong statements in your previous post, and showing that it isnt really as black and white as you think. Thomas Schaaf, Armin Veh, Felix Magath, those are all coaches that won the BL against Bayern before Klopp did, are they good at the league as well? what does finishing 7th with Dortmund or 8th with Liverpool tell you about his qualities as a league coach?
all in all, hes a very good coach, he does punch above his weight sometimes, but so do some other coaches as well. Simeone for example, did that a few years back, now everyone forgot about him, until the next time he beats a "big club" and you all start fapping to him again, before i remind you why you shouldnt suddenly think hes any different than this year when he went out in the group stage
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you think this team can win 75 points? lol, half of them would die in February, and then if you are a backup for 37 yo Barza, 34 yo Licht, cant play more than 60 minutes a month Marchisio, 19 yo Bentancur and Stu, how would you make this team any better if you play instead of one of them?
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442, Cuads cross it to Mandzu on the far post, we almost won the 1st game against them this way
Licht Benatia Rugani AS
Cuads Khedira Pjanic Matuidi
Higuain Mandzukic
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beating City doesent impress me as much as it is presented tbh, they are a very strong league team but in these ties they showed already that they can fall apart last season vs Monaco. i reckon if they faced a stronger team than Basel in the 1st knock out stage, like us, they would have shown they weaknesses as well. they will have a chance to beat a big 3 team in the final, lets see how well they do. and when did we get humiliated? we were in excellent position to advance past Madrid in overtime, we had Cuadrado on the bench and 2 subs to use: Allegri set us up perfectly to win it in overtime, before the penalty took us out. miracle against spurs? now you reaching. and yes, Klopp beat Madrid in 2013, already said so. also already mentioned how underrated that team was, it wasnt considered a top team just because it was named Dortmund, and not Bayern or Real. also, Max beat both Barcelona and Real, the only coach to do so since he took us over. would have been Bayern as well, if it wasnt for Moratas disallowed goal
im not arguing that hes a bad coach, just correcting your wrong statements in your previous post, and showing that it isnt really as black and white as you think. Thomas Schaaf, Armin Veh, Felix Magath, those are all coaches that won the BL against Bayern before Klopp did, are they good at the league as well? what does finishing 7th with Dortmund or 8th with Liverpool tell you about his qualities as a league coach?
all in all, hes a very good coach, he does punch above his weight sometimes, but so do some other coaches as well. Simeone for example, did that a few years back, now everyone forgot about him, until the next time he beats a "big club" and you all start fapping to him again, before i remind you why you shouldnt suddenly think hes any different than this year when he went out in the group stage
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is that above or under the attractive football scudetto, in terms of prestige
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SZCZ
Licht Barza Rugani Asa
Marchisio Bentancur
Cuads Berna Stu
Mandzukic
you think this team can win 75 points? lol, half of them would die in February, and then if you are a backup for 37 yo Barza, 34 yo Licht, cant play more than 60 minutes a month Marchisio, 19 yo Bentancur and Stu, how would you make this team any better if you play instead of one of them?
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442, Cuads cross it to Mandzu on the far post, we almost won the 1st game against them this way
Licht Benatia Rugani AS
Cuads Khedira Pjanic Matuidi
Higuain Mandzukic
transforms into 433 or 451
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2017/12...ic-combination-cant-quite-provide-the-winner/
gonna try the same thing again i guess
gonna try the same thing again i guess
i know, i mentioned Schalke for the 2010 season when Bayern won it after a close race, the season after Bayern was pure crap when they finished 3rd in the last few rounds beating Hannover for a CL spot, which Dortmund took advantage of. in 2012 as i said already, they reached the final and were fighting with Dortmund for thew title until the end, but that team ended up with 73 points, and Dortmund won the league with 81. this could be due to lack of depth, and fighting on 3 fronts until the end (they were 1st after 17-18 rounds, but you cold see the team crumbled in the end of the season, losing the crucial tie for the title to Dortmund, a CL final at home and even the Cup final. in 2012/13 however, the very next year, Bayern won 91 points, there is no way Dortmund or anyone else in Germany can come close to winning a title if Bayern has a consistency like this, which they simply didnt have in the previous years, hence the competition being so much more balanced in the 2000s and early 2010s.
beating City doesent impress me as much as it is presented tbh, they are a very strong league team but in these ties they showed already that they can fall apart last season vs Monaco. i reckon if they faced a stronger team than Basel in the 1st knock out stage, like us, they would have shown they weaknesses as well. they will have a chance to beat a big 3 team in the final, lets see how well they do. and when did we get humiliated? we were in excellent position to advance past Madrid in overtime, we had Cuadrado on the bench and 2 subs to use: Allegri set us up perfectly to win it in overtime, before the penalty took us out. miracle against spurs? now you reaching. and yes, Klopp beat Madrid in 2013, already said so. also already mentioned how underrated that team was, it wasnt considered a top team just because it was named Dortmund, and not Bayern or Real. also, Max beat both Barcelona and Real, the only coach to do so since he took us over. would have been Bayern as well, if it wasnt for Moratas disallowed goal
im not arguing that hes a bad coach, just correcting your wrong statements in your previous post, and showing that it isnt really as black and white as you think. Thomas Schaaf, Armin Veh, Felix Magath, those are all coaches that won the BL against Bayern before Klopp did, are they good at the league as well? what does finishing 7th with Dortmund or 8th with Liverpool tell you about his qualities as a league coach?
all in all, hes a very good coach, he does punch above his weight sometimes, but so do some other coaches as well. Simeone for example, did that a few years back, now everyone forgot about him, until the next time he beats a "big club" and you all start fapping to him again, before i remind you why you shouldnt suddenly think hes any different than this year when he went out in the group stage
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is that above or under the attractive football scudetto, in terms of prestige
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SZCZ
Licht Barza Rugani Asa
Marchisio Bentancur
Cuads Berna Stu
Mandzukic
you think this team can win 75 points? lol, half of them would die in February, and then if you are a backup for 37 yo Barza, 34 yo Licht, cant play more than 60 minutes a month Marchisio, 19 yo Bentancur and Stu, how would you make this team any better if you play instead of one of them?
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442, Cuads cross it to Mandzu on the far post, we almost won the 1st game against them this way
Licht Benatia Rugani AS
Cuads Khedira Pjanic Matuidi
Higuain Mandzukic
transforms into 433 or 451
beating City doesent impress me as much as it is presented tbh, they are a very strong league team but in these ties they showed already that they can fall apart last season vs Monaco. i reckon if they faced a stronger team than Basel in the 1st knock out stage, like us, they would have shown they weaknesses as well. they will have a chance to beat a big 3 team in the final, lets see how well they do. and when did we get humiliated? we were in excellent position to advance past Madrid in overtime, we had Cuadrado on the bench and 2 subs to use: Allegri set us up perfectly to win it in overtime, before the penalty took us out. miracle against spurs? now you reaching. and yes, Klopp beat Madrid in 2013, already said so. also already mentioned how underrated that team was, it wasnt considered a top team just because it was named Dortmund, and not Bayern or Real. also, Max beat both Barcelona and Real, the only coach to do so since he took us over. would have been Bayern as well, if it wasnt for Moratas disallowed goal
im not arguing that hes a bad coach, just correcting your wrong statements in your previous post, and showing that it isnt really as black and white as you think. Thomas Schaaf, Armin Veh, Felix Magath, those are all coaches that won the BL against Bayern before Klopp did, are they good at the league as well? what does finishing 7th with Dortmund or 8th with Liverpool tell you about his qualities as a league coach?
all in all, hes a very good coach, he does punch above his weight sometimes, but so do some other coaches as well. Simeone for example, did that a few years back, now everyone forgot about him, until the next time he beats a "big club" and you all start fapping to him again, before i remind you why you shouldnt suddenly think hes any different than this year when he went out in the group stage
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is that above or under the attractive football scudetto, in terms of prestige
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SZCZ
Licht Barza Rugani Asa
Marchisio Bentancur
Cuads Berna Stu
Mandzukic
you think this team can win 75 points? lol, half of them would die in February, and then if you are a backup for 37 yo Barza, 34 yo Licht, cant play more than 60 minutes a month Marchisio, 19 yo Bentancur and Stu, how would you make this team any better if you play instead of one of them?
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442, Cuads cross it to Mandzu on the far post, we almost won the 1st game against them this way
Licht Benatia Rugani AS
Cuads Khedira Pjanic Matuidi
Higuain Mandzukic
transforms into 433 or 451
I'm sorry but it's stupid. You don't drop one of few players in your squad capable of creating, especially when he's been arguably the best you have lately.
If they manage to put a stop to Pjanic's playmaking we're dead in the water.
I respect Allegri a lot but this is one of the reasons why I'd rather try another coach next season.
We'll still win it though.
If they manage to put a stop to Pjanic's playmaking we're dead in the water.
I respect Allegri a lot but this is one of the reasons why I'd rather try another coach next season.
We'll still win it though.