Massimiliano Allegri (217 Viewers)

[Nedved96]

We are top 4 in goals per match in Europe, averaging 2.5 goals per match. With a 94M striker out of form and whatever Dybala is this year.

We’ve been better going forward than last season, but there’s definitely still room for improvement.

Our goals are often a result of individual brilliance (usually Dybala) and rarely a result of inticrate passing and teamwork.

 

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[MikeM]

We’ve been better going forward than last season, but there’s definitely still room for improvement.

Our goals are often a result of individual brilliance (usually Dybala) and rarely a result of inticrate passing and teamwork.

Liverpool is good for that too. I heard they win a lot.

All you need is more goals than the other team. If you ask Khedira to run in circles to create offense then most likely for every goal he produces he will give up 3 or 4 because he can't run back.

If you ask Cuadrado to run from the right to the left and back to the right to create offense then most likely he won't be in position to defend.

Guardiola sacrifices traditional defensive positioning by counter pressing. It so far has only worked with Messi on his squad. Klopp does this too and it is extremely LOL worthy.

They defend by counter pressing because it is physically impossible to shape up like we do after you use so much movement in attack.

So you have to pick what you want. If you want Khedira and Matuidi changing positions every 2 seconds because you think that is a better attack then I don't know what to say.

 

[Nedved96]

Guardiola sacrifices traditional defensive positioning by counter pressing. It so far has only worked with Messi on his squad. Klopp does this too and it is extremely LOL worthy.

Guardiola set records in the Bundesliga and is currently setting recordings in the Premier League. It’s clear that his methods are working, unless your definition of success is winning the CL, in which case Allegri’s methods don’t work since he hasn’t won the CL either.

It’s not working for Klopp because Liverpool have Serie B level defenders and a Serie B level goalkeeper, we don’t have that problem.

So you have to pick what you want. If you want Khedira and Matuidi changing positions every 2 seconds because you think that is a better attack then I don't know what to say.

I don’t want Khedira starting period, Berna should be our more advanced CM. Yes, we need to improve our movement in the opponents half because right now it isn’t good enough.

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All you need is more goals than the other team. If you ask Khedira to run in circles to create offense then most likely for every goal he produces he will give up 3 or 4 because he can't run back.

If you ask Cuadrado to run from the right to the left and back to the right to create offense then most likely he won't be in position to defend.

Fun fact: City have conceded 2 less goals than us this season despite playing 3 more games.

Judging by your comment, I thought that they were conceding 3-4 goals per game because of how impossible it apparently is to defend if your midfielders and forwards move a bit more to create space.

 

[Monty]

Any? Are you sure about that? I think Max is a great coach, but he does have his limitations, and only biased Tuzzers will fail to acknowledge that.

You are just jealous that Max makes more money than you

 

[MikeM]

Guardiola's defence is possession. Guardiola can't take Khedira and Matuidi and run them in circles, score goals and hold 66% possession.

 

[Nedved96]

Guardiola's defence is possession. Guardiola can't take Khedira and Matuidi and run them in circles, score goals and hold 66% possession.

Guardiola wouldn’t play Khedira, that’s the difference. He’d likely play Berna as the most advanced CM.

I don’t want us to play completely like Guardiola, I just want us to improve our off-the-ball movement when in possession. Tactics isn’t black and white.

 

[Monty]

Guardiola wouldn’t play Khedira, that’s the difference. He’d likely play Berna as the most advanced CM.

I don’t want us to play completely like Guardiola, I just want us to improve our off-the-ball movement when in possession. Tactics isn’t black and white.

Memory is so short

Second half of last season when max shifted to the fab 5 , we had 8 attack minded players (front 5 + khedira, sandro and alves)

No manager has ever played such an attack minded formation, even guardiola has a martinez or busquets or fernandinho in his lineup

We played some electric football and scored lots of great goals

Even the champs league final first half we played incredible, I was watching and going like wtf , first touch , lots of movement etc.

 

[Nedved96]

Even the champs league final first half we played incredible, I was watching and going like wtf , first touch , lots of movement etc.

That first half was great, but fundamentally the team was unbalanced and lacked stamina, as we unfortunately saw in the second half.

Max does certainly play attacking lineups sometimes. I’ve never denied that, the formation we played in the second half of 2016/17 was very attacking on paper. However despite that we didn’t actually score that many goals. We scored 77 goals in total in our league campaign, Roma and Napoli scored more than 90. Our goalscoring has improved this season because we’ve bought talented attacking players.

It wasn’t Max’s fault that we had zero depth in attack last year after Pjaca got injured (although he should have played him more when he was fit), not was it Max’s fault that Marchisio can’t stay fit and our backup midfielders were Genoa quality (Rincon, Lemina, Sturaro).

However, the fact that we often look lazy and sluggish when the onus is on us to break a team down is Max’s fault, and he should be trying to improve on that.

Max did a great job to get us to the final in 2017 with a team that lacked depth in key areas. I can give him credit where it’s due, but I also criticize him and point out his weaknesses.

 

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[pitbull]

That first half was great, but fundamentally the team was unbalanced and lacked stamina, as we unfortunately saw in the second half.

Max does certainly play attacking lineups sometimes. I’ve never denied that, the formation we played in the second half of 2016/17 was very attacking on paper. However despite that we didn’t actually score that many goals. We scored 77 goals in total in our league campaign, Roma and Napoli scored more than 90. Our goalscoring has improved this season because we’ve bought talented attacking players.

It wasn’t Max’s fault that we had zero depth in attack last year after Pjaca got injured (although he should have played him more when he was fit), not was it Max’s fault that Marchisio can’t stay fit and our backup midfielders were Genoa quality (Rincon, Lemina, Sturaro).

However, the fact that we often look lazy and sluggish when the onus is on us to break a team down is Max’s fault, and he should be trying to improve on that.

Max did a great job to get us to the final in 2017 with a team that lacked depth in key areas. I can give him credit where it’s due, but I also criticize him and point out his weaknesses.

yeah, but we had CL and Coppa to worry about, neither Roma or Napoli had anything close to the packed fixture list we had, so they didn't have to conserve energy as much as we did last season. Higuain played 4500 minutes last season and was still fat, do you think he was going 100mph in all of them?

 

[Hust]

We are top 4 in goals per match in Europe, averaging 2.5 goals per match. With a 94M striker out of form and whatever Dybala is this year.

That’s interesting because in Italy Juve has more players that have scored than all the other clubs.


Max is getting the best out of others while Higuain and Dybala are soul searching

Max

 

[Juve_fanatic]

Max has one main weakness as a coach, and that’s teaching his players off-the-ball movement when we have possession.

https://twitter.com/11v11Sam/status/946397971574349827?s=17

If that has been us, our players would have been stationary and waiting to receive the ball at their feet before moving.

Whenever I watch other top teams play, the first thing I notice is how much easier it is for them to carve through packed defences than it is for us. This is an area where we are clearly lacking.

Max should just hire an attacking coach to teach our players how to plan an attack, because he himself doesn’t have much understanding about this part of the game.

I have mentioned this countless times before. Our off-the-ball movement is disgraceful and its the worst of all the big teams. Just like you said, it is THE single, greateat problem of our team.

Edit: Oh, and Pep is a mastermind

 

[DAiDEViL]

Liverpool is good for that too. I heard they win a lot.

All you need is more goals than the other team. If you ask Khedira to run in circles to create offense then most likely for every goal he produces he will give up 3 or 4 because he can't run back.

If you ask Cuadrado to run from the right to the left and back to the right to create offense then most likely he won't be in position to defend.

Guardiola sacrifices traditional defensive positioning by counter pressing. It so far has only worked with Messi on his squad. Klopp does this too and it is extremely LOL worthy.

They defend by counter pressing because it is physically impossible to shape up like we do after you use so much movement in attack.

So you have to pick what you want. If you want Khedira and Matuidi changing positions every 2 seconds because you think that is a better attack then I don't know what to say.

School them.


Might be too late though.

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Guardiola set records in the Bundesliga and is currently setting recordings in the Premier League. It’s clear that his methods are working, unless your definition of success is winning the CL, in which case Allegri’s methods don’t work since he hasn’t won the CL either.

It’s not working for Klopp because Liverpool have Serie B level defenders and a Serie B level goalkeeper, we don’t have that problem.

He took over one of the best Bayern teams i've ever seen, so yes, in this case i measure him on winning the CL. Which he didn't. Steamrolling the Bundesliga with that team - what an achievement. Now he again has the strongest team in the league, a league so inconsistent Leicester city used to win it. Only way to really measure him is the CL, in which he will again be unable to swallow his "beautiful football" pride and get outcountered against a team like us, A team with a coach that adapts his style of play if he has to.

Klopp
If you know your defense is shite, then how about you don't (always) play like you do? He's Equally unable to adapt. Klopp 's teams have one gear. One gameplan. It either works, or it doesn't. He won't adapt shit ingame.
If you know you play a stronger team, then you adpapt, unless you are Klopp who would play a highline against Barca, even though he is aware of his '"serie b defense", because he is tactically inept and thinks he can outscore Barca.

 

[Fr3sh]

That’s interesting because in Italy Juve has more players that have scored than all the other clubs.


Max is getting the best out of others while Higuain and Dybala are soul searching

Max

Forza EuroMax, I really have nothing but praise for him. He's my favorite coach in the world, and wish he was my father in law ( sorry @DAiDEViL, its not because of Valentina but because I wanna be able to say I am EuroMax's son ).

I really can't wait to see what the likes of Bentacur, BernaGuti and MdS will amount to under him, both have been A LOT better then what we initially expected from them. The only thing I hold against EuroMax is his nonstop use of Sami, pls let him chill on the bench, play me some Blaze420 or some Bentacur.

 

[Nedved96]

He took over one of the best Bayern teams i've ever seen, so yes, in this case i measure him on winning the CL. Which he didn't. Steamrolling the Bundesliga with that team - what an achievement. Now he again has the strongest team in the league, a league so inconsistent Leicester city used to win it. Only way to really measure him is the CL, in which he will again be unable to swallow his "beautiful football" pride and get outcountered against a team like us, A team with a coach that adapts his style of play if he has to.

Allegri took over a Juve side that was already the best team in Italy. Conte went undefeated in 2011/12 and broke the points record in 2013/14. If we hold Allegri to the same standards as Guardiola, then we have to say that his domestic achievements are meaningless. He inherited the best team in Italy at Juventus and has merely continued what Conte started.

Allegri did a good job to get us to the CL finals, but Klopp achieved something similar with Dortmund. Also, Dortmund was a midtable team when Klopp took over in 2008, while Juventus was already the best team in Italy when Allegri took over in 2014. In other words, Klopp at Dortmund achieved something similar to what Allegri achieved at Juventus despite starting with a much, much worse team.

The double standards and mental gymnastics on this thread to prove Allegri's imaginary superiority over other coaches like Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp and Conte are laughable.

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Allegri is a good coach, but he is NOT superior to his peers. He hasn't won the Champions League, he has made tactical mistakes in big games, and he has his weaknesses just like any other coach. This is not Allegri bashing, that's the truth.

 

[Monty]

Here we go again .

 

[Hust]

 

[Fr3sh]

Allegri took over a Juve side that was already the best team in Italy. Conte went undefeated in 2011/12 and broke the points record in 2013/14. If we hold Allegri to the same standards as Guardiola, then we have to say that his domestic achievements are meaningless. He inherited the best team in Italy at Juventus and has merely continued what Conte started.

Allegri did a good job to get us to the CL finals, but Klopp achieved something similar with Dortmund. Also, Dortmund was a midtable team when Klopp took over in 2008, while Juventus was already the best team in Italy when Allegri took over in 2014. In other words, Klopp at Dortmund achieved something similar to what Allegri achieved at Juventus despite starting with a much, much worse team.

The double standards and mental gymnastics on this thread to prove Allegri's imaginary superiority over other coaches like Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp and Conte are laughable.

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Allegri is a good coach, but he is NOT superior to his peers. He hasn't won the Champions League, he has made tactical mistakes in big games, and he has his weaknesses just like any other coach. This is not Allegri bashing, that's the truth.

Serious?!

I can give you Mourinho and Pep, but Klopp and Conte?

 

[Nedved96]

Serious?!

I can give you Mourinho and Pep, but Klopp and Conte?

Absolutely, they are both at least as good as Allegri.

I rate Jupp Heynckes higher too.

But I guess I didn't get the memo on this thread. Allegri is absolutely perfect and he has never made a mistake in his entire time here at Juve. There is no manager in the world who is better than him at anything. Anyone who disagrees with this should go support Barcelona instead because they aren't a true fan.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Klopp at least as good as Allegri


Goodbye.