Mario Götze - AM - Bayern Munich (28 Viewers)

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Mus™

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Mar 16, 2009
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Haha, no, not even close man :rofl:

Oscar is better then Isco. And so is Ozil. Aguably james but i dont like james
Gotze has no pause, mainly excells in open spaces and facing stretched defences in transition, Isco has more strings to his bow and can break lines without the opposition helping
 

Zacheryah

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Mus™;5011132 said:
Gotze has no pause, mainly excells in open spaces and facing stretched defences in transition, Isco has more strings to his bow and can break lines without the opposition helping
Wow, clearly you dont watch them.

Isco thrives when he has a little space so he can do something needlesly complex, while a simple cutback and pass has the same result.

Götze is excellent in open space, and has terrific close controll with the ball at his feet, or as high as his head, and can get easely out of clustered situations like Oscar, wich is exactly's Isco's weak spot


But most, by far the most important :

Oscar and Isco are excellent players, own with their qualities. None have that special genius side that pathetic few players got these days

Götze has it.
 

Mus™

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Wow, clearly you dont watch them.

Isco thrives when he has a little space so he can do something needlesly complex, while a simple cutback and pass has the same result.

Götze is excellent in open space, and has terrific close controll with the ball at his feet, or as high as his head, and can get easely out of clustered situations like Oscar, wich is exactly's Isco's weak spot


But most, by far the most important :

Oscar and Isco are excellent players, own with their qualities. None have that special genius side that pathetic few players got these days

Götze has it.
You wouldn't task Gotze with the creative burden of the team, his best is creating numerical advantages by beating 1 or 2 players through a press or in transition, Isco doesn't have this so much but he has a better football brain
 

Zacheryah

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Mus™;5011148 said:
You wouldn't task Gotze with the creative burden of the team, his best is creating numerical advantages by beating 1 or 2 players through a press or in transition, Isco doesn't have this so much but he has a better football brain
Again, do you even watch them ?

Isco is good in combining quickly with short passes, and dribbeling players where he sees the space. Wich is directly his limitation, because he's not the most efficient dribbeler.

Götze's big talent is finding a way out of a crowded situation with a genius move, wich can catch the entire opponent defence off guard, while beeing better at putting in passes trough the defence at Isco, and slightly less good at quick combinations.

Isco is the type of player that thrives in la liga, but would find it hard to play against an organised defence.

Götze is a nightmare for an organised defence
 

Zacheryah

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I was totally going to expect you would prefer a flairfull, less efficient player, over much more efficient player

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A simple question is. Where was Isco against Juventus ? Both games had freaking Pirlo at CDM.


He was nowhere, because we are organised and dont leave space to exploit.

Meanwhile, look up what Götze did against organised teams when he was at Dortmund.
 

Mus™

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Again, do you even watch them ?

Isco is good in combining quickly with short passes, and dribbeling players where he sees the space. Wich is directly his limitation, because he's not the most efficient dribbeler.

Götze's big talent is finding a way out of a crowded situation with a genius move, wich can catch the entire opponent defence off guard, while beeing better at putting in passes trough the defence at Isco, and slightly less good at quick combinations.

Isco is the type of player that thrives in la liga, but would find it hard to play against an organised defence.

Götze is a nightmare for an organised defence
Yes.. I've watched both, and I think you have it wrong, I don't see Gotze as being the primary source of creativity, he's more of an impact peripheral player and was at his best when Sahin, Gundo and Reus dictated the game - not to mention he isn't the same player since his ankle injury

Isco at Malaga was a phenom, the entire team ran through his heartbeat and he excelled at pulling defenses from side to side and breaking them down with their attractive style
 

Cheesio

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Again, do you even watch them ?

Isco is good in combining quickly with short passes, and dribbeling players where he sees the space. Wich is directly his limitation, because he's not the most efficient dribbeler.

Götze's big talent is finding a way out of a crowded situation with a genius move, wich can catch the entire opponent defence off guard, while beeing better at putting in passes trough the defence at Isco, and slightly less good at quick combinations.

Isco is the type of player that thrives in la liga, but would find it hard to play against an organised defence.

Götze is a nightmare for an organised defence
Isco is as a good of dribbler as it gets, tight or open, so much bettern than Gotze in that regard. Don't get me wrong i would love Gotze but he is not better than Isco, the only thing he has over the spaniard is that he's more of goal threat.

I was totally going to expect you would prefer a flairfull, less efficient player, over much more efficient player

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A simple question is. Where was Isco against Juventus ? Both games had freaking Pirlo at CDM.


He was nowhere, because we are organised and dont leave space to exploit.

Meanwhile, look up what Götze did against organised teams when he was at Dortmund.
So by your Logic, the " best player in the world " Ronaldo is shit because he was nowhere to be seen against us, meaning he would struggle in serie A ?? just stop please.
 

Mus™

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I was totally going to expect you would prefer a flairfull, less efficient player, over much more efficient player

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A simple question is. Where was Isco against Juventus ? Both games had freaking Pirlo at CDM.


He was nowhere, because we are organised and dont leave space to exploit.

Meanwhile, look up what Götze did against organised teams when he was at Dortmund.
Uhh... struggled significantly when the game wasn't in transition from a counterpress?
 

Zacheryah

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Isco is as a good of dribbler as it gets, tight or open, so much bettern than Gotze in that regard. Don't get me wrong i would love Gotze but he is not better than Isco, the only thing he has over the spaniard is that he's more of goal threat.



So by your Logic, the " best player in the world " Ronaldo is shit because he was nowhere to be seen against us, meaning he would struggle in serie A ?? just stop please.
Ronaldo scored on the first chance by real in the first game, and had several good chances in both games, before fading out of the second, and juventus was a bit on the lucky side he wasnt as clinical as usual
Isco, was doing a whole lot of nothing special in both games.

Isco is a good dribbeler, in pure dribbeling, like Denilson was or Lucas is. Both Lucas and Denilson however, are stupid as shit when it comes to intelligence on how to dribble where and when. Isco is a fairly intelligent player, but isnt an efficient dribbeler. He often does alot unneccecary stuff, wich could be done easely and quicker.

Zidane or Del Piero were notoriously intelligent dribbelers. IF they would dribble, it would allways end up a more dangerous situation if they succeeded. Also they could pull genius moves from nowere and completely put a defence on the wrong foot.

Götze isnt as good as those two offcourse. But he does have this talent of doing genius moves wich sets a defence wrong, wich is why he is held in such very high regard by every analist.



Its like back in the day, Mourinho and i think Rijkaard said, that they would rather face off against Drogba, then Inzaghi. Drogba was alot better at just about everything. But Inzaghi, had the uncanny ability, that he could not be marked. This was because he could predict where he had to be, and move there at just the right moment for the defender to lose him, making marking useless, and a defending against him a gamble.

Simularly, a defender nowadays can predict that Isco would go on dribbles and stop him when he does with a foul or legit tackle. But when Götze is pulling this sudden genius move, you and your teammates are wrongly positionned and you can only hope you are in range to foul
 
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