Maresca to Fiorentina? (13 Viewers)

kweku · Jul 21, 2004

I do agree that maresca was one of the few players who played to his potential. But its not like he lead us to a scudetto or the Cl trophy. But yes he surely didnt let us down. But some how playing Maresca as regular doesn´t seem good enough for Juve IMO. There is a reason Juve hasnt won the Cl for years, the reason is called TAcchinardi, You dont win Cl with players like this. you win with players like Paulo Sousa, Decshamps. The midfield is the most imortant part of a team.

So what I´m trying to say is that even if I myself would like Maresca to stay, it wont hurt the team if Maresca leaves. Losing Davids will however, even if we do replace him with Emerson, the squad would still be as strong, but we wouldn´t be stronger, however keeping DAvids and getting Emerson would give our team a complete new dimension. But however having a strong central midfield doesnt seem to be important to Moggi. Because I have always claimed that Deschamps has never really been replaced ever since I joined this forum.

I want a great Juve not just good Juve, and I dont believe Maresca can make Juve great, even if I do like his game very much. Some may talk about players like Pessotto not being great, but so far I have never seen a macth where pessotto has made me feel let down. A team is like a car. You can have the best driver, the best wheels, but if you dont have a engine you cant use it anyway, now can you?

btw I never said he lacked the heart, the skill or the Juve spirit, I said he lacked the mentality and consistency of a champion

The Arif · Jul 21, 2004

++ [ originally posted by kweku ] ++

I do agree that maresca was one of the few players who played to his potential. But its not like he lead us to a scudetto or the Cl trophy. But yes he surely didnt let us down. But some how playing Maresca as regular doesn´t seem good enough for Juve IMO. There is a reason Juve hasnt won the Cl for years, the reason is called TAcchinardi, You dont win Cl with players like this. you win with players like Paulo Sousa, Decshamps. The midfield is the most imortant part of a team.

So what I´m trying to say is that even if I myself would like Maresca to stay, it wont hurt the team if Maresca leaves. Losing Davids will however, even if we do replace him with Emerson, the squad would still be as strong, but we wouldn´t be stronger, however keeping DAvids and getting Emerson would give our team a complete new dimension. But however having a strong central midfield doesnt seem to be important to Moggi. Because I have always claimed that Deschamps has never really been replaced ever since I joined this forum.

I want a great Juve not just good Juve, and I dont believe Maresca can make Juve great, even if I do like his game very much. Some may talk about players like Pessotto not being great, but so far I have never seen a macth where pessotto has made me feel let down. A team is like a car. You can have the best driver, the best wheels, but if you dont have a engine you cant use it anyway, now can you?

btw I never said he lacked the heart, the skill or the Juve spirit, I said he lacked the mentality and consistency of a champion

great post kweku. agree with every single word here :thumb:

Edge · Jul 21, 2004

Yep, that's my thoughts exactly, he is a squard player who sometimes can have a great game, but play him every game ? no, thanks. My guess is Capello will start with Blasi and Emerson next season.

The Arif · Jul 21, 2004

btw, i heard a lot of people here saying that for example X juve player mustn't be sold, coz he is very long juve player and has given a lot for juve.

i dont agree. i know that they have given a lot for juve, but now their time has passed, they're not young anymore, they cant give Juve what they did in the past yrs. none is bigger than the club. as long as juve have great successes, in italy or europe, i dont care who is bought or who is sold.

simpson-juvefan · Jul 21, 2004

hm.. is there nothing we can't do against it??

i hope that it not happen and Maresca stays!! didn't capello said he wants to keep enzo??

why don't we sell our stupid defenders like Montero, Iuliano, or maybe Tudor or give the Co ownership of Brighi, Blasi or Appiah??

did Maresca sleep with Moggis daugther???

i hope that Roma is blocking the Transfer from Emerson to Juve so maybe that there is a little chance of keeping Maresca!!

The Arif · Jul 21, 2004

exactly. didnt he say that he wants enzo while he was at roma?

Jun-hide · Jul 21, 2004

Well Kewku, I have to agree to disagree.

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I think Maresca can be legitimate starter in the team and good one at that. As a rule of thumb 24 is the age where players starts to peak, and when their physique starts to mature to complement technical ability. And it would be pity to deem player and sell him because he is not good enough when we havent even seen best of Enzo yet.
As far as I am concerned he is real talent, and one that merits at least a crack at the squad. Similar case that I can think of is Gattusso: He had his critics in the past for his lack of technical ability but Milan stood by him, and now he has become arguably the best defensive midfielder in the world, and heir to Davids IMO.
It is about having faith in young players and giving them opportunities to succeed, because their ability evolve with each game.
And beside I think it is hard to blame one player for not winning CL, even if I, too, am not a big fan of Tach. Winning Cup requires combination of talent, teamwork, peaking at the right time and luck. Not all of these factors are controllable, and in the end, Nedved's suspension, and suprise loss in the final to Dortmund, Real are not purely down to lack of talent but the way things meant to be. Zizou, for the sake of argument, never won CL in Juve and havent been to CL final to last to years. Was Porto so talented that they won the CL with Baia, Derlei, Alenichev, Costinha, Carlos Alberto in the team? While Paolo Ferreira, Deco, Valente are good players, they are over-typed IMHO. Only Maniche and Cavalho qualify as true WC players IMO, and yet they manage to pip star-studded Milan, Real, Arsenal, Inter, Juve, Man U, Bayern, Depor for that matter. Monaco the loosing finalist had likes of Bernadi, Prso, Rodriguez, Ibarra, Roma in the team - hardly a group of top talents I would say.
Winning titles and Cups and being successful team is about building a good team that combines individual talent and group effort. Whether Maresca can be good player for the team not only depends on himself but also the step Club is taking. However, I do believe that Maresca has enough talent, and spirit to become a big part of our future, and given that he is 24 the best is yet to come. If the club feels otherwise then that should be it, but personal animosity between Enzo and Moggi should be not preside over the decision making process like it happened with Davids in retrospect, and this is exactly what I fear is happening.

The Arif · Jul 21, 2004

++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
Well Kewku, I have to agree to disagree.

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Similar case that I can think of is Gattusso: He had his critics in the past for his lack of technical ability but Milan stood by him, and now he has become arguably the best defensive midfielder in the world, and heir to Davids IMO.

gattusso best DM in the world? :rolleyes:

Jun-hide · Jul 21, 2004

Probably not ATM with the likes of Viera and Emerson, but name me a better midfielder breaking the opposition attack and he is in mid 20s. Rino is the one who allows the flair of Kaka, Pirlo, Sheva to florish.

Lilianna · Jul 21, 2004

i am really hoping maresca will stay.
now with cappelo,the things may be different and maresca will play more,maybe each match

Edge · Jul 21, 2004

Capello rates Blasi more highly, and so its really a choice between Maresca and Blasi, so I guess Juve has decided Enzo is the one to go.

Jun-hide · Jul 21, 2004

That is the pity of the whole issue IMO. Out of all CMs we have, Blasi, Brighi, Appiah, Tach, Maresca (excluding likes of Baiocco), I think Maresca is the most versatille and attacking minded. Anyway, if Maresca is the deal-breaker for Emerson deal then I would pull the trigger, but my perception is that rather than being trade-off between Blasi and Enzo for Emerson deal, the whole issue is more to do with personal animosity between Moggi and Maresca. My guess is that something must have happended during the contract negotiation, and as a consequence IMO Moggi is trying off-load Maresca at all cost. While I have been a big fan of Moggi in the past, if such thing happens again shortly after Davids Saga, then I believe his head has become bigger than the club and he must go.
Such attitudes does not serve players, shareholders or fans well.

kweku · Jul 21, 2004

Well jun hide, my point is exactly what your saying, its about having a good team. ZZ didnt win Cl with Juve becuase he was playing with players like TAcchi, its no coincidence he won it the first year with Real Madrid, ZZ makes you win things, but nobody wins trophies by himself, but just as you said yourself. Gattuso makes people like Kaka shyne, and this was Tacch job.And Milan can affordto play Gattuso more than we They have midfeiders like Pirlo, Seedorf and Kaka providing the offensive power.

Maresca is good enough for Juve no doubt, but as I said before, I dont believe he will ever become good enough to be a key player at Juve. Because players like maresca wont make Juve great. So if Juve can sell ZZ and BAggio we can surely sell Maresca to rasie money to buy players more needed.

But as I said I do want Maresca to stay but I also want Juve to be great.

kweku · Jul 21, 2004

Yep so true. It nearly cost us Trez aswell, its ego thing, but we need Moggi

baggio · Jul 21, 2004

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
fvck's sake, I'm sick of this. Esteban's right.. as much as I like Maresca and want to see great things for him in the future, we don't deserve to have him. Imagine any other team in the world screwing around with such a promising young player instead of securing his contract for the next 10 years.

Agreed.

Jun-hide · Jul 21, 2004

Your point is respected Kweku.

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I guess it is down to fundamental differences regarding assumptions on the ability of Maresca, his future role within the team, relations between the system and individual, and the role of coach in building the team.
This is more to do with the difference in opinion than logic.

kweku · Jul 21, 2004

And I respect your views aswell

I´m just trying to look at it from a business view, sometimes you have to do that

The Pado · Jul 21, 2004

As much as I like Tacchinardi, Maresca is miles better than Tacch. Juve will not even consider selling Tacch, but tries to include Maresca in every deal (according to media rumours). What is it about this great young player that makes Juve want to sell him?

We need to extend the lad's contract and give him a first team opportunity. Do we expect Blasi to be the answer? Was Baiocco the answer?

Roman · Jul 21, 2004

Fvck...we better sell Brighi instead...

Holdon · Jul 21, 2004

No one wants him.

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