Mafia: Chaos in the Kingdom of Tuz (4 Viewers)

[Seven]

Lagertha.. Fuck me.

 

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[Klin]

Okay so whats suspicious about him voting on the confirmed C Fresh?

Are you hearing yourself here?

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Fred went to bed an hour before the deadline. I didn't vote for CK until 23.50. Went Fred left it was between him, Fresh and Osman.

When he went to bed, him and CK were the ones with the most votes.

 

[king Ale]

So when Fred went to bed, him and CK were the ones with the most votes to get lynched. Why would he leave like that without making any effort whatsoever to defend himself if he didn't know his G buddies will save him later?

Please note j0ker changed his vote from Fr3sh to Ck a few minutes before deadline.

Correct me if I'm wrong but perhaps Joker didn't know that Fresh was gonna be autolynched so he was genuinely trying to save his stupid ass (any civilian in their right mind would do that, Fresh was obviously a C). However, if he was only trying to make sure that someone OTHER THAN Fresh is getting the most votes (knowing that Fresh would be autolynched, so two civilians will be dead, which is yet another good reason why I believe Osman is a G), that's certainly a G behavior.

Fred leaving like that is not a good argument though. I have been in a similar situation, you have other works to take care of.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

You seem to be defending Fred a lot lately.

Im trying to make sense of people's accusations, and figure out if theyre trying to save Osman.

Your question about why he would leave when he was in danger is a good one though. He needs to answer that. But you're saying joker saved him. So why not vote Fred instead who would be the more certain G in this scenario? Joker might have unintentionally saved him (very unlikely). But if jokers a G then Fred is too. But Fred could be one without joker being one, in your theory

 

[Maddy]

When he went to bed, him and CK were the ones with the most votes.

No.

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/40607-Mafia-Chaos-in-the-Kingdom-of-Tuz?p=4778899#post4778899 - Fred bedtiem

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/4...ngdom-of-Tuz?p=4779114&viewfull=1#post4779114 - CK: 2, Fresh: 3, Fred: 4. A lot of other on 2 as well

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Is Klin lying? I cant check that shit from my phone

 

[Maddy]

I've clearly stated that until I voted for CK at 23.50. It was between Os, Fred and Fresh. I purposely voted on CK to see if anyone would follow and maybe move their vote from fresh, os or Fred sinve they were in danger.

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/40607-Mafia-Chaos-in-the-Kingdom-of-Tuz?p=4779336#post4779336

 

[Ocelot]

Quick thoughts concerning the other characters:

89man - He really acts like a newbie. If that's genuine or whether he was told to do this by more experienced G collegue I don't know, and to me there's no way to know as of now.

Zacheryah - From what I can tell. he's his usual random self. His inactivity also isn't really any worse than in the last game, where he was a C as well. That doesn't say that he's innocent in anyway, but I would call it a bit too farfetched to accuse him as well.

Klin - Very aggressive, mostly towards Osman and Fred. Could be that it's part of a the Gs' tactic, could be that he's a C. If he's a gangster, he's playing well.

Enron - One of the more inactive ones who seem more suspicious to me, mostly due to his faux-pas concerning the fake fr3sh PM.

X - Don't know whether I should buy his reason for being absent yesterday, but I have nothing to disprove it as well. Don't really remember him saying much substantially since he came back, other than defending both of Osman & Fred (not quite sure about that though, gotta reread) without giving many arguments for it. Nothing more than a hunch, but part of a group of posters leaning towards more suspicious.

Maddy, Völler - So far the only ones from who I get the feeling that they're Cs. Doesn't mean much in Mafia obviously, but I think the jailor wasn't wrong with jailing Völler.

j0ker - Didn't notice anything tbh, but seeing as there seems to be a tangible movement against him I'll check out his posts.

Soren - Also part of the "more suspicious" group, mostly due to his erratic and insubstantial posting.


Again, I might have missed ot misunderstood a few things.

 

[Klin]

Correct me if I'm wrong but perhaps Joker didn't know that Fresh was gonna be autolynched so he was genuinely trying to save his stupid ass (any civilian in their right mind would do that, Fresh was obviously a C). However, if he was only trying to make sure that someone OTHER THAN Fresh is getting the most votes (knowing that Fresh would be autolynched, so two civilians will be dead, which is yet another good reason why I believe Osman is a G), that's certainly a G behavior.

Fred leaving like that is not a good argument though. I have been in a similar situation, you have other works to take care of.

He could have gone for anyone other than CK. CK was Fred's direct opponent of getting lynched. I wouldn't have been this concerned if he voted for another one if he wasn't at risk at getting lynched like Fed was. Also the timing of when he changed his vote is suspicious as hell. Just a few minutes before deadline.

Im trying to make sense of people's accusations, and figure out if theyre trying to save Osman.

Your question about why he would leave when he was in danger is a good one though. He needs to answer that. But you're saying joker saved him. So why not vote Fred instead who would be the more certain G in this scenario? Joker might have unintentionally saved him (very unlikely). But if jokers a G then Fred is too. But Fred could be one without joker being one, in your theory

No.

 

[Ocelot]

Okay so whats suspicious about him voting on the confirmed C Fresh?

This could actually be one of the things I might have missed, but wasn't there a discussion earlier this day about this subject, coming to the conclusion that Fred had put his vote on Fr3sh after he it was obvious that the latter was a C?

 

[Maddy]

Is Klin lying? I cant check that shit from my phone

Either lying or have a very wrong impression of what happened last night.

 

[Klin]

No.

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/40607-Mafia-Chaos-in-the-Kingdom-of-Tuz?p=4778899#post4778899 - Fred bedtiem

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/4...ngdom-of-Tuz?p=4779114&viewfull=1#post4779114 - CK: 2, Fresh: 3, Fred: 4. A lot of other on 2 as well

Even better then.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Ocelot was told by a more experienced G to act like a C and "analyze" behaviors.

 

[Maddy]

This could actually be one of the things I might have missed, but wasn't there a discussion earlier this day about this subject, coming to the conclusion that Fred had put his vote on Fr3sh after he it was obvious that the latter was a C?

Meh. Fred left in the middle of it all. The very clear proof came just around his bedtiem. Look at my link earlier where I link to his bedtiem.

 

[ALC]

Ocelot was told by a more experienced G to act like a C and "analyze" behaviors.

 

[Maddy]

This could actually be one of the things I might have missed, but wasn't there a discussion earlier this day about this subject, coming to the conclusion that Fred had put his vote on Fr3sh after he it was obvious that the latter was a C?

This is when it became clear the fresh was a C. Völler trying out his password and it worked. 15 minutes after bedtiem for fred. http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/4...ngdom-of-Tuz?p=4779072&viewfull=1#post4779072

 

[Ocelot]

This is when it became clear the fresh was a C. Völler trying out his password and it worked. 15 minutes after bedtiem for fred. http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/4...ngdom-of-Tuz?p=4779072&viewfull=1#post4779072

Thanks.

Drop that point then.

 

[Maddy]

So in the crazy mafia game last summer where both Fred and Alen were G's. Didn't they both start up attacking each other? In the same manor Os and Fred have?

Might be seeing Ghost. But I'm have a hunch that Os and Fred are playing on the same team, just liek in real lief

 

[IliveForJuve]

Ocelot

 

[Klin]

This is when it became clear the fresh was a C. Völler trying out his password and it worked. 15 minutes after bedtiem for fred. http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/4...ngdom-of-Tuz?p=4779072&viewfull=1#post4779072

Thanks.

Drop that point then.

Read from here.

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/40607-Mafia-Chaos-in-the-Kingdom-of-Tuz?p=4778801&viewfull=1#post4778801

It's not about his Fr3sh vote. It's about going to bed when he was the top candidate to get lynched with 4 votes.

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