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[GordoDeCentral]

"his twin" is okay with it. I can prove I'm not a DA if needed.

Imma need you both to dress as mario and luigi, hold your respective birth certificates and sing one of the grease duets a capella

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

DEA?!?!?!

We have an agent here. Watch out for the cartels.

btw. mafia game in the world of Narcos would be nice next

That just guarantees ILFJ will be the first to get lynched

 

[king Ale]

Where is the last version of the rules?

 

[piotrr]

Ok, so we're 18 - @Alen do we make 4+1 Gs?
1. campionesidd
2. kappa96
3. Kyle
4. Alen
5. ALC
6. Voller
7. king Ale
8. Tomice
9. Quetz
10. GordoDeCentral
11. Klin
12. radekas
13. Ronn
14. Snobist
15. Fr3sh
16. Mr. Choc
17. Osman
18. ILFJ

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I'm in if:
We establish all the rules in advance.

Tomice created some consolidated post with the rules, i think they are mostly fine but i went with Alen's idea of auto-lych if someone is posting/Pming from the jail and that Lawyer has to make a decision before the voting is over (like we usually played):

The list includes Civilians (including the Detective, the Bodyguard, the Lawyer and the Jailer) and Gangsters (including the Crooked Cop and the Recruiter). Gangsters can recruit any civilian (except the detective and the bodyguard) as long as the recruiter is alive!

Gangsters - They know each other. Their aim is to kill off as many civilians as it takes to equal the number of G's and C's. So if there are 5 G's and 5 C's left in the game the G's win.

Civilians - They have no idea who is and who isn't a Civilian. This is what makes the game interesting. A lot of accusations are thrown and a lot of times you end up scratching your head after someone who you thought was a C or a G ends up dead. Civilians win when every single G is killed.

The Daytime runs between xx-xx CET. It's when you are all posting and trying to find out who the gangsters are (if you are a civilian) or manipulate (if you are a gangster). You should write the name of the person you want to vote in bold, otherwise your vote will not count. You can change your vote as many times as you want but I will count the last vote that you cast before the end of the daytime (xx:59 CET).

The lynched player role and special role (if any) will be reveled.

Lynching and The Lawyer:
The player with the most votes will be lynched unless the lawyer saves him/her. The lawyer has to send me their decision to save a lynch target either before or in (maximum) five minutes after the voting is over. The lawyer cannot save him/herself and can use his/her power twice in the entire game.

Whacking and The Bodyguard:
During the daytime, gangsters will send me their whack target. You (G's) can change your decision as many times as you want, I will act on the final decision that you send me (before the voting is closed). The whack target can be saved by the Bodyguard. During the daytime, the Bodyguard also sends me their protection target. If the G's decide on whacking someone but that person is being protected by the bodyguard then they fail on that whacking. The bodyguard can protect anybody (including themselves). The bodyguard can protect themselves or any other player every day should they so choose. Note if the Bodyguard is in Jail he/she cannot use their powers.

The Detective and The Crooked cop:
Every day the detective can ask me about the role of any player they want. He/she can send the investigation request during the day, but the role of the investigation target will be revealed to him/her only during the nighttime.
If the Detective is jailed he can not send an investigation request, if the request was sent before imprisonment the investigation result will be reveled as usual after the day ends.
Similarly, the crooked cop is allowed up to 4 times during the whole game to spy on the detective. He/she can let me know either during the day or the night whether they want to spy. The investigated person and his/her role will be then revealed to the crooked cop but not the detective identity.

The Detective and The Gun Blazing Mode:
The Detective also has the option once per game of using the "gun's blazing" mode which allows them to kill any one player, regardless of whether or not that player has been investigated. The gun blazing takes the place of an investigation, with the target of the gun blaze being revealed after the voting deadline. Afterwards their role will go back to normal, and they can investigate the next day. However, if the person they kill is any type of civilian, their role will immediately be revealed on the thread as a press release, blowing their cover.

The Jailer and The Jailed:
The jailer can jail anyone they want during the daytime, The jailer may not imprison the same person twice in a row. The jailing request has to be sent to me between xx:00-xx:00 CET. If the jailer is killed, there will be a random draw of all regular civilians, and one of them will secretly receive the jailer role. This is the only reassigned role allowed in the game. Once the jailer has been reassigned once, it cannot be reassigned a second time. The Jailer can also not imprison themselves.
The person who is jailed is not allowed to post until the daytime is over. His/her vote will not count. The jailed person cannot be whacked but can be lynched (i.e., voted out). A person in jail cannot speak in the thread or pm anyone at all involved in the game. Any violation of this will result in a further day of imprisonment. A third violation will mean an auto-lynching for that person.

Recruting:
Gangsters can recruit 1 civillian any time they want during the game with the role "the Recruiter". Recruiting does not apply for the detective or the bodyguard. The lawyer and any other civillian can be recruited and thus become a gangster. Gangster's has to submit 3 names to the narrator. The narrator will make a draw and let gangesters who they recruited (Bodyguard and Detective cant be recruited, but Jailer and Lawyer can). The recruited civilian will be informed also. The players at large will NOT be informed that there has been a recruitment. They have to figure that by themselves.

Things you are allowed to do:
Lying, manipulating, sending pm's, making horrible mistakes!

Things you are not allowed to do:
Creating fake accounts, posting when jailed, posting in the thread when/if dead, sending/posting screenshots of the role pm I have sent you, being an asshole

Auto-Lynch:
You will be auto lynched if you don't meet the daily required post number of 5 10 posts.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Imma need you both to dress as mario and luigi, hold your respective birth certificates and sing one of the grease duets a capella

I think Ima take that ban.

But srsly, thanks for being reasonable. I still agree to the permeban if I sabotage the game btw.

 

[Alen]

Ok, so we're 18 - @Alen do we make 4+1 Gs?

I'd go with 15:3, which is in reality 14:4 after recruiting and guarantees a 5 day game at least.
But 14:4 is ok too. Your choice.

 

[Tomice]

Meh, people like Fr3sh who have ruined the game more times than others are allowed to play but not me that did stupid shit when I was young.

He does have a point here. Both should be out or both should play.

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NVM saw both play, 18 players nice

 

[piotrr]

I'd go with 15:3, which is in reality 14:4 after recruiting and guarantees a 5 day game at least.
But 14:4 is ok too. Your choice.

Checked the previous games and 15:3 seemed to work nicely so i will go with this.

Anyway, does anyone have any questions/remarks to the rules?

Tonight i will try to prepare everything so hopefully the game thread will be up and running and the first daytime starts tomorrow.

 

[Klin]

THE LAWYER HAS TO SENT HIS REQUEST BEFORE DEADLINE. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

 

[Tomice]

THE LAWYER HAS TO SENT HIS REQUEST BEFORE DEADLINE. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

I think this is actually worth discussing. If he can only send the request before deadline then what exactly does the role do? I can hardly imagine any player using it's power to basically save someone against majority vote based on a hunch. Even so it will end with no-lynch, no-one knows if it was a right move or not and no new information is available the next day (beside suspecting the lawyer to be recruited).

Isn't the role purpose is to actually prevent the G's from swinging votes last min? if not then the only benefit a lawyer brings to the game is to the G's if they recruit him

 

[Völler]

I think this is actually worth discussing. If he can only send the request before deadline then what exactly does the role do? I can hardly imagine any player using it's power to basically save someone against majority vote based on a hunch. Even so it will end with no-lynch, no-one knows if it was a right move or not and no new information is available the next day (beside suspecting the lawyer to be recruited).

Isn't the role purpose is to actually prevent the G's from swinging votes last min? if not then the only benefit a lawyer brings to the game is to the G's if they recruit him

But this is a fun element of the game. Why get rid of that?

 

[Tomice]

But this is a fun element of the game. Why get rid of that?

It's a good point just thinking aloud

 

[Osman]

I think this is actually worth discussing. If he can only send the request before deadline then what exactly does the role do? I can hardly imagine any player using it's power to basically save someone against majority vote based on a hunch. Even so it will end with no-lynch, no-one knows if it was a right move or not and no new information is available the next day (beside suspecting the lawyer to be recruited).

Isn't the role purpose is to actually prevent the G's from swinging votes last min? if not then the only benefit a lawyer brings to the game is to the G's if they recruit him

I personally think the deadline for ALL night actions should be 10 to 15 minutes after the deadline. Meaning if we vote to lynch 20 00. Lawyer, bodyguard, detective, recruiter and so on have till 20.10 or 20.15 to send in their actions. They are literal night time events, happen after day ends.



Only exception is jailer, it's a day time event. Jailing deadline should be 5 hours before lynch deadline.



Also we have Americans/south Americans playing, make sure the 20.00 CET changed deadline is ok with them.

 

[Alen]

I think this is actually worth discussing. If he can only send the request before deadline then what exactly does the role do? I can hardly imagine any player using it's power to basically save someone against majority vote based on a hunch. Even so it will end with no-lynch, no-one knows if it was a right move or not and no new information is available the next day (beside suspecting the lawyer to be recruited).

Isn't the role purpose is to actually prevent the G's from swinging votes last min? if not then the only benefit a lawyer brings to the game is to the G's if they recruit him

That's a good point and it's worth discussing.
Personally I'm 51-49 on this. If one option is the lawyer to send the request until deadline and the other 5 minutes after deadline, both options offer something good, but I choose the first one. The second option offers the lawyer a chance to clearly see what happened and to react accordingly, but that's a little unfair to the Gs. They can do everything right, place the votes in the last minute and then all their work be destroyed by the lawyer, who gets 5 additional minutes to think. I don't like that. I want everyone to have an equal chance. The Gs can vote in the last seconds, but so can the lawyer send a request. If he sees that people are voting in the last minute, he also gets some 20-30 seconds to decide what to do. If he fails, fuck it. But if he's there in the last minute, he can do something and make the game more interesting.

He might make a good or bad decision, but he needs to feel pressure. Once, I was the lawyer and people started voting suddenly for Cuti in the last 5 minutes. I thought the Gs are voting out a C. I saved him. He was a G It's these fuck ups that make the game more interesting. And the fuck ups are usually connected with pressure. I'd like everyone to feel pressured and that's why I don't choose the option when the lawyer gets additional time to think things through.

P.S: I won't object, though, if you choose the second option. But I'd give the lawyer 5 minutes tops after deadline.

 

[piotrr]

In my opinion 'before lynch' lawyer requires to foresee a certain events (for example Quetz would have to predict 2 Gs might change votes in the last minute) or as Alen explained to be able to act in seconds. Normally no one cares that much about a game as a L, so a civilian lawyer is usually as useful as a normal C.
If recruited though, can be a game changer.

The 'after lynch' lawyer for me is too powerful. Seeing how the events unfold and making a decision only then doesn't feel right.

 

[Alen]

In my opinion 'before lynch' lawyer requires to foresee a certain events (for example Quetz predicting 2 Gs might change votes in the last minute) or as Alen explained to be able to act in second or, if recruited, can be a game changer.

The 'after lynch' lawyer for me is too powerful. Seeing how the events unfold and making a decision only then doesn't feel right.

The Gs are starting with a numerical disadvantage. They do have the advantage of being able to work as a group, which the Cs do not have, but everything else is against them. The numbers, the fact that the BG can protect himself and others, that the D can investigate people etc. That is why I would not give even more power to the Cs.
I would tolerate the lawyer if he sends his request exactly at deadline (at 21:00 for example) even if the narrator closed voting in the same minute.

 

[Tomice]

All good arguments here. We can consider giving the lawyer one extra minute (E.g 22:00) so the pressure is still on but he can still react if online

Either way I'm fine, it a rare happenstance anyway, Up to @piotrr

 

[king Ale]

That's a good point and it's worth discussing.
Personally I'm 51-49 on this. If one option is the lawyer to send the request until deadline and the other 5 minutes after deadline, both options offer something good, but I choose the first one. The second option offers the lawyer a chance to clearly see what happened and to react accordingly, but that's a little unfair to the Gs. They can do everything right, place the votes in the last minute and then all their work be destroyed by the lawyer, who gets 5 additional minutes to think. I don't like that. I want everyone to have an equal chance. The Gs can vote in the last seconds, but so can the lawyer send a request. If he sees that people are voting in the last minute, he also gets some 20-30 seconds to decide what to do. If he fails, fuck it. But if he's there in the last minute, he can do something and make the game more interesting.

He might make a good or bad decision, but he needs to feel pressure. Once, I was the lawyer and people started voting suddenly for Cuti in the last 5 minutes. I thought the Gs are voting out a C. I saved him. He was a G It's these fuck ups that make the game more interesting. And the fuck ups are usually connected with pressure. I'd like everyone to feel pressured and that's why I don't choose the option when the lawyer gets additional time to think things through.

P.S: I won't object, though, if you choose the second option. But I'd give the lawyer 5 minutes tops after deadline.

I'd agree if the lawyer could use his/her power every night but since it's a limited power, I think we should allow for an after-deadline decision, even if it's only 5 minutes after the deadline. It's a useless role otherwise.

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In my opinion 'before lynch' lawyer requires to foresee a certain events (for example Quetz would have to predict 2 Gs might change votes in the last minute) or as Alen explained to be able to act in seconds. Normally no one cares that much about a game as a L, so a civilian lawyer is usually as useful as a normal C.
If recruited though, can be a game changer.

The 'after lynch' lawyer for me is too powerful. Seeing how the events unfold and making a decision only then doesn't feel right.

Is it possible for the lawyer to give if-then requests before the deadline? For example, if the lynch result is Fresh, please proceed. If it's Janna, save her.

 

[Fr3sh]

Is it possible for the lawyer to give if-then requests before the deadline? For example, if the lynch result is Fresh, please proceed. If it's Janna, save her.

What is this!?! So foul!! I'd expect behavior like this from the likes of @IliveForJuve but not from you....this hurt.

Also get off my nuts @ilfj I'm a top player.

 

[piotrr]

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