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Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,764
That's a crazyyyy insane unbelievably stupid thing to do, not only because they would risk their life, but also because they would catch the detective's attention for no reason.
If I get lynched and I'm a C, they'll be heroes

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Would you seriously vote for Alen?

Serious question.
Yep, him or you.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
By the way, I don't think I've heard the explanation yet. Why did you change votes in the last minute?
you mean when I changed it to JJ?

The decision to vote X was a split second decision driven by the fact so many people seemed intent on saving him, because I genuinely wanted to save him 5 minutes before the deadline. Then I thought I shouldn't make split second decisions like that, but it was too late.

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If I get lynched and I'm a C, they'll be heroes

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Yep, him or you.
I'm serious. If you are actually going to go for Alen, then I believe Alen is more of a C than anybody else.
 

WΏΏdy?

Senior Member
Dec 23, 2005
14,997
So fred finally answers the question as to why he voted X yesterday which is "the final flurry of voting people were ganging up to save X and that made me suspicious".

Firstly, it was not a final flurry, it was around 30 minutes of open discussions on how to save X because it was backed by a WHOLE day of common opinion that X is a civilian. So the entire day of discussions where almost everyone was convinced X was a civilian was not enough and Cs sticking together to save him was suspicious enough for you to vote X in the final minute? Dont bring up the last game, i admit im new to this but if people go after you tonight, which they will, it will be your fault :D

Another one of your arguments that why would you save matt if both him and X are Cs and look suspicious, its because if X was killed yesterday then matt would have looked like a sure G and gathered all the attention in the next vote.

Its a pity Alen is jailed, i would have liked to know why he voted X in the final minute as well, or if he did explain can someone link me to it?
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
If I get lynched and I'm a C, they'll be heroes

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Yep, him or you.
But they didn't know the lawyer was gonna save X, so X was gonna get lynched so if you think they are Gs, you HAVE TO believe that X is a c (Alen and Fred were trying to kill him, they actually almost killed him). That's why i say if you are a c, you of all people should never vote Fred/Alen :D

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you mean when I changed it to JJ?

The decision to vote X was a split second decision driven by the fact so many people seemed intent on saving him, because I genuinely wanted to save him 5 minutes before the deadline. Then I thought I shouldn't make split second decisions like that, but it was too late.

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I'm serious. If you are actually going to go for Alen, then I believe Alen is more of a C than anybody else.
How come did you write Jihadi John instead of jj in those pressing moments? SERIOUS question.
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
20,139
WΏΏdy?;5046828 said:
So fred finally answers the question as to why he voted X yesterday which is "the final flurry of voting people were ganging up to save X and that made me suspicious".

Firstly, it was not a final flurry, it was around 30 minutes of open discussions on how to save X because it was backed by a WHOLE day of common opinion that X is a civilian. So the entire day of discussions where almost everyone was convinced X was a civilian was not enough and Cs sticking together to save him was suspicious enough for you to vote X in the final minute? Dont bring up the last game, i admit im new to this but if people go after you tonight, which they will, it will be your fault :D

Another one of your arguments that why would you save matt if both him and X are Cs and look suspicious, its because if X was killed yesterday then matt would have looked like a sure G and gathered all the attention in the next vote.

Its a pity Alen is jailed, i would have liked to know why he voted X in the final minute as well, or if he did explain can someone link me to it?
He explained it in multiple posts. Basically he is (or maybe was) sure that X is a G and other Gs are saving him.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,764
But they didn't know the lawyer was gonna save X, so X was gonna get lynched so if you think they are Gs, you HAVE TO believe that X is a c (Alen and Fred were trying to kill him, they actually almost killed him). That's why i say if you are a c, you of all people should never vote Fred/Alen :D
True. But if X was lynched, I would be the obvious choice the next day, then what would you think about Fred and Alen?
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
20,139
Like I said the only thing that's worrying me about going for Alen (and by extension Fred, I guess) is that if they are Gs and killed (let's assume Lawyer didn't happen) X who was a C they would be basically confirmed Gs and out in day 2 and 3. This really needs to be considered because the only reason we are debating this is now is the Lawyer. If not for him we would be dead certain to either lynch Alen or to lynch one of the people who went for JJ.
 

WΏΏdy?

Senior Member
Dec 23, 2005
14,997
He explained it in multiple posts. Basically he is (or maybe was) sure that X is a G and other Gs are saving him.
We talking about alen right? I know he said he thought X was a G but did he provide an explaination of why he thought so?

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BTW I'm pretty sure almost anyone 2 games old would see that Im a C, i do not understand why Alen would put himself in harm's way by accusing me like that. I'm all for voting for Fred today but Alen's behaviour is making me go for him instead because if he's not a G he is damaging the C team by trying to go after a clear C ( and im refering to myself, not X yesterday)
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
20,139
You mentioned something about Alen's suspicious behavior shortly after the deadline. Care to explain?
His posts about the L for once. And more importantly his 100% certainty that X is a G and that other Gs organized an action to save him. I would understand if it was his theory but he was posting like he's sure of it.

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WΏΏdy?;5046838 said:
We talking about alen right? I know he said he thought X was a G but did he provide an explaination of why he thought so?
No, which is the biggest reason I suspect him.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,535
Since when are we killing people to know other people's roles? Given what happened last night, he (or Fresh) should go imo. If he's a g, then great. If not, we won't lose much (no contribution whatsoever and that's why i prefer to keep Fresh in the game).

On the one hand i have a strange feeling that people involved in the final minutes fiasco were all Cs while on the other hand i feel painfully paranoid thinking all of you are gs :cry:

Anyways, Matt or ALC? Matt i have absolutely nothing against but his death may help us know a thing or two.

Btw, I hate that we are literally playing this game without being able to study Zach and Tomice.
What exactly happened last night that makes me a G? I voted twice and that's it.

Anyways, I tend to go out in Friday and Saturday nights so I can't post that much in the morning since I wake up at noon.

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I don't think Alen is a G. I have a hunch about X, and I wouldn't be surprised if Zach was one too, considering he's being much more quiet than the previous game.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
Just finished reading the whole thread, sorry for not being around and contributing but it seems you guys got most angels pretty covered (hoori :tup:, great summery posts)

Anyway it's too soon for me to formulate an opinion, I will use the time until voting to go back and forth on the last, not so few, pages and hopefully will have something to add by deadline
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
True. But if X was lynched, I would be the obvious choice the next day, then what would you think about Fred and Alen?
Nope, nothing would have changed compared to today, they would have seemed like gs who were trying to save another g (you). Like i said, very unnecessary risk. They could have just easily let your lynch go through if they are gs and you are a c.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,764
Nope, nothing would have changed compared to today, they would have seemed like gs who were trying to save another g (you). Like i said, very unnecessary risk. They could have just easily let your lynch go through if they are gs and you are a c.
I mean after I got lynched and was proven to be a G, what would you think about Fred and Alen then?

Btw, thinking about it more, the more reasonable explanation to me is Alen really did think X is a G, and Alen himself is a C. Of course, I wouldn't be able to convince you of that, and as a result, everyone else. So I guess it's impossible to get X lynched.

And I mean, considering everything else, I really thought X was a C, but trying to understand why Alen voted him and brought suspicion on himself brings me to that conclusion.

Edit: of course Alen could be wrong about X being a G, but in that scenario Alen is a C to me

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Juventino[RUS];5046848 said:
so you saved X's ass.....
See my above post, would you vote X?
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
I mean after I got lynched and was proven to be a G, what would you think about Fred and Alen then?

Btw, thinking about it more, the more reasonable explanation to me is Alen really did think X is a G, and Alen himself is a C. Of course, I wouldn't be able to convince you of that, and as a result, everyone else. So I guess it's impossible to get X lynched.

And I mean, considering everything else, I really thought X was a C, but trying to understand why Alen voted him and brought suspicion on himself brings me to that conclusion.

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See my above post, would you vote X?
I think both Alen and x are cs :scared:
 

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