Mafia 2015.5 || 'Tuz: The Beginning (33 Viewers)

[Fred]

On the other hand "I'm too experienced to be so stupid" is slowly becoming a very handy excuse for more experienced players.

Ok fuck that excuse then.

Why would I or Alen attract attention to ourselves in the last minute on day 1 if we were G's for any other reason than to save a fellow G?

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You're right. I was assuming that X is a C and that everyone else thought so too, so your actions were inexplicable to me. My theory was that you wanted to do what is actually happening now: create a situation of one C against the other, so that when one C died, the other would follow the next day. That could still be the reality imo. i.e. X and I are Cs and one or both of you are Gs

Or X is actually a G, and both of you are Cs. Harder to believe though.

That is such a far fetched theory, come on. We didn't need to do that, we could have just let the C's kill each other.

 

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[king Ale]

But how will ALC tell us whether or not Matt and are C's. If he's a G, sure, then we'd be smarter, but if he's a C, we've wasted a day. Lynching Alen would tell us more even if he turns out to be a C.

Since when are we killing people to know other people's roles? Given what happened last night, he (or Fresh) should go imo. If he's a g, then great. If not, we won't lose much (no contribution whatsoever and that's why i prefer to keep Fresh in the game).

On the one hand i have a strange feeling that people involved in the final minutes fiasco were all Cs while on the other hand i feel painfully paranoid thinking all of you are gs

Anyways, Matt or ALC? Matt i have absolutely nothing against but his death may help us know a thing or two.

Btw, I hate that we are literally playing this game without being able to study Zach and Tomice.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

That is such a far fetched theory, come on. We didn't need to do that, we could have just let the C's kill each other.

Taking down X, who everyone was convinced is a C, would have been a nice coup for the Gs.

 

[radekas]

Matt or Alen if we want to follow yesterday's events.

ALC if we want to take a shot.

That's my opinion.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Since when are we killing people to know other people's roles? Given what happened last night, he (or Fresh) should go imo. If he's a g, then great. If not, we won't lose much (no contribution whatsoever and that's why i prefer to keep Fresh in the game).

On the one hand i have a strange feeling that people involved in the final minutes fiasco were all Cs while on the other hand i feel painfully paranoid thinking all of you are gs

Anyways, Matt or ALC? Matt i have absolutely nothing against but his death may help us know a thing or two.

Btw, I hate that we are literally playing this game without being able to study Zach and Tomice.

You're taking it for granted that X is a C. What would me dying tell you? Better Fred or Alen, or if you're convinced about X, then ALC.

 

[king Ale]

Matt or Alen if we want to follow yesterday's events.

ALC if we want to take a shot.

That's my opinion.

Agreed. Who between Matt and Alen do you think we should go for?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Agreed. Who between Matt and Alen do you think we should go for?

Why Alen but not Fred?

 

[radekas]

Agreed. Who between Matt and Alen do you think we should go for?

No idea. I was voting JJ yesterday though there wasn't much behind it other than he attacked me with random posts.

Hitting Alen is a double-edged sword. We either kill the G leader or kill one of the more valuable Cs which will backfire. I am suspicious of Alen's behaviour for the first 20 minutes after yesterday's deadline. I can't say that's enough to lynch him though.

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Why Alen but not Fred?

Fred only showed up later in the evening and did basically the same as Alen, including his after-deadline posts. If we lynch Alen and he's a G, then Fred is next.

 

[king Ale]

You're taking it for granted that X is a C. What would me dying tell you? Better Fred or Alen, or if you're convinced about X, then ALC.

If X is a g, then the final 30 minute on and off attempts to save him was done mostly by his fellow gs. Question is, when your g buddy is in danger 30 mins before the deadline, why would you, as a g, try to kill another c (you) against whom there was no evidence? I gave them the no lynch option. X had 3 votes, no lynch had 2 votes, why didn't they follow me? Was it not a much safer option? If they had killed you (assuming you're a c), and you turned out to be a c, they would have been in danger the day after. That's why i think it was cs (myself included) who were trying to save x yesterday.

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Why Alen but not Fred?

Yeah, doesn't really matter which of the two imo.

 

[Völler]

Since when are we killing people to know other people's roles? Given what happened last night, he (or Fresh) should go imo. If he's a g, then great. If not, we won't lose much (no contribution whatsoever and that's why i prefer to keep Fresh in the game).

On the one hand i have a strange feeling that people involved in the final minutes fiasco were all Cs while on the other hand i feel painfully paranoid thinking all of you are gs

Anyways, Matt or ALC? Matt i have absolutely nothing against but his death may help us know a thing or two.

Btw, I hate that we are literally playing this game without being able to study Zach and Tomice.

I'd prefer to do something that makes us smarter about yesterday. I dislike lynching ALC or JJ because they don't contribute much when we have better information to go by.

Matt could be an option, but personally Alen's behavior is more suspicious. His last minute vote and his ridiculous accusations against Woody today makes little sense to me. Alen

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In the first sentence I mean Fr3sh, not JJ.

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Actually the second sentence, lol.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

If X is a g, then the final 30 minute on and off attempts to save him was done mostly by his fellow gs. Question is, when your g buddy is in danger 30 mins before the deadline, why would you, as a g, try to kill another c (you) against whom there was no evidence? I gave them the no lynch option. X had 3 votes, no lynch had 2 votes, why didn't they follow me? Was it not a much safer option? If they had killed you (assuming you're a c), and you turned out to be a c, they would have been in danger the day after. That's why i think it was cs (myself included) who were trying to save x yesterday.

Nobody would have been in danger for killing me. Everyone thought X was a C, and those that voted for me didn't provide much of a reason, nor were questioned about it, and today I still seem to be a favourite for lynching. Nobody would have been in danger for killing me wrongfully when X was the alternative. No lynch was never really an option.

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Fred only showed up later in the evening and did basically the same as Alen, including his after-deadline posts. If we lynch Alen and he's a G, then Fred is next.

So why not Fred then Alen?

You seem hesitant to accuse Fred.

 

[king Ale]

Btw Matt, if you are a C, i believe you can safely trust Alen and Fred Good for you
I refuse to believe that they did what they did if you are a C and they are Gs.

 

[Fred]

I seriously hope @Alen doesn't turn out to be a G, because if he does, it will look really bad for me

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Alen should be targeted today, and whoever saved X's ass - fuck you

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Btw Matt, if you are a C, i believe you can safely trust Alen and Fred Good for you
I refuse to believe that they did what they did if you are a C and they are Gs.

It's so bold, you have to believe it's something they would do.

 

[radekas]

So why not Fred then Alen?

You seem hesitant to accuse Fred.

lel, I don't really care about Fred. I just thing there's a bigger chance that he was a random guy doing random shit while Alen seems to plan it. He was also posting like he's 100% certain that X is G and that Gs tried to save X. He changed his tone in the morning. If other people decide to go for Fred, I won't mind though.

 

[Fred]

Btw Matt, if you are a C, i believe you can safely trust Alen and Fred Good for you
I refuse to believe that they did what they did if you are a C and they are Gs.

I said that to him in the last page, he doesn't seem to get that point.

Seriously though if Matt was a C, he should know that both me and Alen are C's. If he turns out to be a G, then Alen is most definitely a G too. though to be honest by the same logic, I'd be a G too, but i know I'm not

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

lel, I don't really care about Fred. I just thing there's a bigger chance that he was a random guy doing random shit while Alen seems to plan it. He was also posting like he's 100% certain that X is G and that Gs tried to save X. He changed his tone in the morning. If other people decide to go for Fred, I won't mind though.

I hear ya

 

[king Ale]

It's so bold, you have to believe it's something they would do.

That's a crazyyyy insane unbelievably stupid thing to do, not only because they would risk their life, but also because they would catch the detective's attention for no reason.

 

[Völler]

I said that to him in the last page, he doesn't seem to get that point.

Seriously though if Matt was a C, he should know that both me and Alen are C's. If he turns out to be a G, then Alen is most definitely a G too. though to be honest by the same logic, I'd be a G too, but i know I'm not

By the way, I don't think I've heard the explanation yet. Why did you change votes in the last minute?