Mafia 2015.5 || 'Tuz: The Beginning (18 Viewers)

[Alen]

If you think X was a g, and was being saved, then who saved him? So many people were involved in that, Hoori, Klin, Woody, Voller and Ocelot(already dead). Still, some of them are bound to be C's, so what's the best way to find out. By lynching X

This should have happened today. I really don't understand how can the lawyer save someone on day 1. I did the same once, only because I was about to get lynched and I had to convince people that I'm the lawyer who'll save Cuti if they lynch him instead of me.
But why did the lawyer go all the way to save someone whose role was impossible to know?

Even if X is a C, or even the D, the lawyer's actions are hard to accept. It will turn out a good move in hindsight, but from today's perspective it robbed us of information.
Hey lawyer, you're aware that you maybe saved a G, right?

 

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[radekas]

Not really though. You're assuming that all of them are G's, they're not. A few of them were genuine C's who thought X was a C, probably one, maybe two were fellow G's that put in a vote to save him. That is assuming X is a G of course.

Look, if you think tonight's events had a meaning, and there was a G being saved, then there is only one of two scenario's:

If you think Jihadi John was a g, and was being saved, then who saved him? Me and Alen saved him right? maybe one of us is a G and another is an innocent C? What's the best way to find out? by lynching Jihadi John

If you think X was a g, and was being saved, then who saved him? So many people were involved in that, Hoori, Klin, Woody, Voller and Ocelot(already dead). Still, some of them are bound to be C's, so what's the best way to find out. By lynching X

I would rather try lynching JJ since I don't believe X is a G. The problem is that I don't have much against JJ other than he voted for me and provided random one-line posts. I will keep looking around for more clues on day 2. Not sure we will get much though.

 

[Fred]

This should have happened today. I really don't understand how can the lawyer save someone on day 1. I did the same once, only because I was about to get lynched and I had to convince people that I'm the lawyer who'll save Cuti if they lynch him instead of me.
But why did the lawyer go all the way to save someone whose role was impossible to know?

Even if X is a C, or even the D, the lawyer's actions are hard to accept. It will turn out a good move in hindsight, but from today's perspective it robbed us of information.
Hey lawyer, you're aware that you maybe saved a G, right?

I agree, the lawyer fvcked us big time, this is worst than no lynch.

 

[radekas]

One more thing.
@Alen @Fred

Why were you guys acting like you know Hoori is the lawyer right after the results? Even if you somehow knew why would you tell the others and make her a recruitement target?

I'm talking about these posts:

Hoori FFS, now we have no clues for tomorrow

You fucked up

Hoori you really shouldn't have saved him, how am i going to explain myself to him now?

To be honest, I'd go for jj tomorrow

Ok, just finish your last save before you're recruited?

 

[ALC]

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Not really though. You're assuming that all of them are G's, they're not. A few of them were genuine C's who thought X was a C, probably one, maybe two were fellow G's that put in a vote to save him. That is assuming X is a G of course.

Look, if you think tonight's events had a meaning, and there was a G being saved, then there is only one of two scenario's:

If you think Jihadi John was a g, and was being saved, then who saved him? Me and Alen saved him right? maybe one of us is a G and another is an innocent C? What's the best way to find out? by lynching Jihadi John

If you think X was a g, and was being saved, then who saved him? So many people were involved in that, Hoori, Klin, Woody, Voller and Ocelot(already dead). Still, some of them are bound to be C's, so what's the best way to find out. By lynching X

Oh wow! Awesome scenarios, bro!

This should have happened today. I really don't understand how can the lawyer save someone on day 1. I did the same once, only because I was about to get lynched and I had to convince people that I'm the lawyer who'll save Cuti if they lynch him instead of me.
But why did the lawyer go all the way to save someone whose role was impossible to know?

Even if X is a C, or even the D, the lawyer's actions are hard to accept. It will turn out a good move in hindsight, but from today's perspective it robbed us of information.
Hey lawyer, you're aware that you maybe saved a G, right?

I agree, the lawyer is stupid as hell kiss

 

[WΏΏdy?]

I would rather try lynching JJ since I don't believe X is a G. The problem is that I don't have much against JJ other than he voted for me and provided random one-line posts. I will keep looking around for more clues on day 2. Not sure we will get much though.

No we vote for Fred, why would u rather go for matt instead of him?

Btw great job by the lawyer

 

[Alen]

One more thing.
@Alen @Fred

Why were you guys acting like you know Hoori is the lawyer right after the results? Even if you somehow knew why would you tell the others and make her a recruitement target?

I'm talking about these posts:

I thought that only she would save X.

 

[radekas]

I thought that only she would save X.

But why would you tell the Gs who that is? That's a pretty big mistake for C, isn't it?

 

[ALC]

No we vote for Fred, why would u rather go for matt instead of him?

Btw great job by the lawyer

How the hell is it a great job? They just saved someone based on a hunch.

 

[Alen]

But why would you tell the Gs who that is? That's a pretty big mistake for C, isn't it?

Trust me, the question the Gs are asking themselves right now is: who is the lawyer so we'd recruit him? There are 5 options remaining and they know that. I told them nothing new. They too know that either Hoori or those who voted for Matt saved X. With Ocelot gone, there are 5 other possibilities. That's in case X is a C.

In case he's a G, then either Hoori or the civilian who voted Matt.

 

[Fred]

One more thing.
@Alen @Fred

Why were you guys acting like you know Hoori is the lawyer right after the results? Even if you somehow knew why would you tell the others and make her a recruitement target?

I'm talking about these posts:

It's something Hoori would do.

No we vote for Fred, why would u rather go for matt instead of him?

Btw great job by the lawyer

You sound so sure about X. Why did you rep me asking me to vote for Matt and now you're saying the lawyer did a great job. You seem so sure that X is a G. If you're a C, you're avoiding my question. What in your mind did I do in the last minutes? Save Jihadi John? Or was I doing something else? and don't give me some stupid explanation like, I wanted to get rid of X, nobody risks himself on day 1 just to get rid of a player ffs.

 

[Zacheryah]

Ffs

 

[radekas]

Trust me, the question the Gs are asking themselves right now is: who is the lawyer so we'd recruit him? There are 5 options remaining and they know that. I told them nothing new. They too know that either Hoori or those who voted for Matt saved X. With Ocelot gone, there are 5 other possibilities. That's in case X is a C.

In case he's a G, then either Hoori or the civilian who voted Matt.

Ok fine.

Well I would like to hear what X has to say about all of this but he seems to be gone and we can't @ him. So I guess we will have to wait.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

How the hell is it a great job? They just saved someone based on a hunch.

It's a great job because it spoiled the last minute orchestrated assasination by Fred and Co. If that was a hunch at first it was clear after the last second votes that it was the right one. How do u not see that?

 

[ALC]

It's a great job because it spoiled the last minute orchestrated assasination by Fred and Co. If that was a hunch at first it was clear after the last second votes that it was the right one. How do u not see that?

The only way we would've been able to tell it was an orchestrated assassination, is if X had been lynched. We have no idea what his role is.

 

[Fred]

It's a great job because it spoiled the last minute orchestrated assasination by Fred and Co. If that was a hunch at first it was clear after the last second votes that it was the right one. How do u not see that?

So I was assassinating X, not saving Jihadi John?

So you think I'd be willing to risk myself just to take out X? weren;t there easier ways to take him out? I mean ffs when i was asking whether to save him he had more votes than everyone, couldn't i just have added my vote to the others half an hour before and avoided all this drama?

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The only way we would've been able to tell it was an orchestrated assassination, is if X had been lynched. We have no idea what his role is.

That's why either him or JJ should be lynched tomorrow.

Either we say yesterday's events were nothing but C's fvcking each other, or we think yesterday's events had meaning, in which case we have to take out one of the aforementioned two to find out what exactly happened.

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Also @WΏΏdy? why did you ask me to vote for JJ or Maddy in a rep? Why are you so adamant about X?

 

[ALC]

That's why either him or JJ should be lynched tomorrow.

Either we say yesterday's events were nothing but C's fvcking each other, or we think yesterday's events had meaning, in which case we have to take out one of the aforementioned two to find out what exactly happened.

I feel like taking you out would answer even more questions.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

So I was assassinating X, not saving Jihadi John?

So you think I'd be willing to risk myself just to take out X? weren;t there easier ways to take him out? I mean ffs when i was asking whether to save him he had more votes than everyone, couldn't i just have added my vote to the others half an hour before and avoided all this drama?

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That's why either him or JJ should be lynched tomorrow.

Either we say yesterday's events were nothing but C's fvcking each other, or we think yesterday's events had meaning, in which case we have to take out one of the aforementioned two to find out what exactly happened.

I did not just rep u with suggestions, i quoted your post and voted for matt and klin did the same. Why did u wait till the last moment to vote and when u did why did u vote X?

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So I was assassinating X, not saving Jihadi John?

So you think I'd be willing to risk myself just to take out X? weren;t there easier ways to take him out? I mean ffs when i was asking whether to save him he had more votes than everyone, couldn't i just have added my vote to the others half an hour before and avoided all this drama?

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That's why either him or JJ should be lynched tomorrow.

Either we say yesterday's events were nothing but C's fvcking each other, or we think yesterday's events had meaning, in which case we have to take out one of the aforementioned two to find out what exactly happened.

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Also @WΏΏdy? why did you ask me to vote for JJ or Maddy in a rep? Why are you so adamant about X?

Im adamant because i've said this all day long its too early to lynch anyone and the only one suggesting X be voted out was Alen and he too didnt have anything solid or even remotely close on him. As a civilian i didnt want to lost a strong player like X this early.

 

[Alen]

At one point, when X had the most votes, I even changed from him to RUS because it seemed noone's trying to save X except Hoori with her no lynch. But all of a sudden folks started voting Matt and at one point X was saved. And all this happened in a matter of 3-4 minutes.
It looked orchestrated. Matt was almost surely a sacrificial lamb and a civilian.
In such a situation every normal civilian should have voted for X, but only me and Fred did it. I'll ignore the less experienced players, but it's crazy how the more experienced players didn't vote for X at that point... Well, unless they were Gs.

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Woody, you were sending people PMs and reps to vote for Matt instead of X?

 

[Fred]

I feel like taking you out would answer even more questions.

What would it answer.

Fact is, most of you are being paranoid for silly reasons. None of you can explain why you'd think I'm a G, the only plausible explanation is that I was saving JJ, there is no other explanation, and none of you have offered any.

But this is the problem with this game, most people are swayed by events they don't understand.