Mafia 2015.5 || 'Tuz: The Beginning (39 Viewers)

[Alen]

@Alen , what do you think of the last minute events. I wanna hear a non paranoid persons opinion.

There was an obvious attempt to save X.
Was it a result of Hoori's posts or was it organized by the Gs, I don't know, but I don't think that people decided to save X just like that and sacrifice Matt. I'm leaning towards an attempt by the Gs to save their fellow G, with 1-2 silly civilians joining.

X is actually the main suspect right now, but look at the fools considering him a C, just because some brainless lawyer decided to save him.

 

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[Klin]

Ideas of what? Are we gonna act now that X is a C and that there wasn't a campaign to save him by voting for some random member like Matt?

Why no mention of Fred's behaviour. He actually gave us more clues than X, even if the latter, by no means, is a proven a C.

 

[ALC]

@ALC the new jasper.

don't you even dare compare my mafia skills to that loser

 

[Klin]

don't you even dare compare my mafia skills to that loser

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[Alen]

Why no mention of Fred's behaviour. He actually gave us more clues than X, even if the latter, by no means, is a proven a C.

If Fred is a G, then I think that both X and Matt are Cs. It made no difference to Fred who to lynch. If I didn't give that last vote, Fred was only going to make it a tie. And I think he seriously changed from X to Matt when he saw my vote for X.
Fred played it awful, but in a typical civilian way.

 

[radekas]

There was an obvious attempt to save X.
Was it a result of Hoori's posts or was it organized by the Gs, I don't know, but I don't think that people decided to save X just like that and sacrifice Matt. I'm leaning towards an attempt by the Gs to save their fellow G, with 1-2 silly civilians joining.

X is actually the main suspect right now, but look at the fools considering him a C, just because some brainless lawyer decided to save him.

Please tell me what makes you so sure that X is a G.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

Ideas of what? Are we gonna act now that X is a C and that there wasn't a campaign to save him by voting for some random member like Matt?

Your campaign against Deneb is very weird, you seem to be the only person who believes he's a G and that too without any evidence. There was no campaign against matt, he was in the unfortunate situation of being the closest to X in terms of votes.

 

[radekas]

If Fred is a G, then I think that both X and Matt are Cs. It made no difference to Fred who to lynch. If I didn't give that last vote, Fred was only going to make it a tie. And I think he seriously changed from X to Matt when he saw my vote for X.
Fred played it awful, but in a typical civilian way.

Fred didn't see your vote till 10 minutes after deadline.

 

[king Ale]

There was an obvious attempt to save X.
Was it a result of Hoori's posts or was it organized by the Gs, I don't know, but I don't think that people decided to save X just like that and sacrifice Matt. I'm leaning towards an attempt by the Gs to save their fellow G, with 1-2 silly civilians joining.

X is actually the main suspect right now, but look at the fools considering him a C, just because some brainless lawyer decided to save him.

I'm not buying this because i started the no lynch campaign which was actually a good option for gs to jump on without risking their roles if x was a g. And i'm a c. And i'm not saying X is a c but he most probably is.

Fred's behavior i have no explanation for.

 

[Alen]

Please tell me what makes you so sure that X is a G.

The fact that a good group of clueless civilians acted in such an organized way in order to save X is hard to accept.
Only Gs would be so organized and I don't understand why would they try to save X if he wasn't one of them.

That's exactly why I gave that last second vote.

 

[radekas]

The fact that a good group of clueless civilians acted in such an organized way in order to save X is hard to accept.
Only Gs would be so organized and I don't understand why would they try to save X if he wasn't one of them.

That's exactly why I gave that last second vote.

That's a terrible reasoning. No sane G team would organise such a save on day 1. They would basically sell half of their team already.

 

[Alen]

That's a terrible reasoning. No sane G team would organise such a save on day 1. They would basically sell half of their team already.

There was at least 1 civilian voting for Matt. Possibly 2 if one of those who were offline at the time was a G.

 

[radekas]

There was at least 1 civilian voting for Matt. Possibly 2 if one of those who were offline at the time was a G.

Why can't you accept that people were not convinced that X is a G and tried to save a player that won the last game for the Cs? You are the only player certain that X is a G and your last second vote makes you as much of a suspect as you try to sell people voting for JJ.

 

[Alen]

That's a terrible reasoning. No sane G team would organise such a save on day 1. They would basically sell half of their team already.

That's good reasoning. Terrible reasoning is what you did just before deadline. You made a mistake, don't try to justify it. I also saved a G from lynching when I was a lawyer.

 

[radekas]

That's good reasoning. Terrible reasoning is what you did just before deadline. You made a mistake, don't try to justify it. I also saved a G from lynching when I was a lawyer.

What did I do before deadline? I voted for JJ long before he started to gather votes. Stop trying so hard to make people forget your last second vote.

 

[Alen]

Why can't you accept that people were not convinced that X is a G and tried to save a player that won the last game for the Cs?

X isn't a special role. He'd have said it if he was the D or the BG when he saw that he's the #1 option for lynching. If he's a normal C he can't win shit for the Cs. Actually, he might be recruited.
If he was lynched we'd have clues for tomorrow. Now we have nothing.
If he's a G, though, "great job" lawyer.

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Stop trying so hard to make people forget your last second vote.

I am not. I will actually give the same vote tomorrow.

 

[Fred]

So when I say I want to vote for Matt in order to save X, the following happens(make of it what you will):

Klin quotes me and asks me to join him in lynching Matt, at that point Matt only had one- two votes, as a few minutes before it someone changes his vote away from Matt. Too bold a move for a G trying to save a fellow G, he looked like he genuinely thought Matt was a G.

Ocelot says he's open to moving to Jihadi John, obviously he turned out to be a C.

Voller changes his vote to JJ in the last minutes.

Hoori urges me to vote no lynch.

Woody sent me a rep asking me to vote for either Matt or Maddy. At this point there was a real chance for JJ to get lynched.


To be honest, that made me for a split second think there was an attempt in there to save X. Like Alen said, possibly a few of them thought X was genuinely a C, but I found it hard to believe at the time that at least one or two of them weren't actually trying to save a fellow G.

At the last minute I wanted to change my vote to JJ, as I thought taking a decision about X in a split second like I did might have been a stupid thing to do.

To be honest though, no way either me or Alen are G's. That's not how G's act on day 1, in all cases if we thought it was worth the risk of exposing ourselves like that, then there's no other explanation other than to save Jihadi John. I dare anyone who suspects either of us are a G to come up with any other explanation for our last minute behavior.

 

[radekas]

To be honest though, no way either me or Alen are G's. That's not how G's act on day 1, in all cases if we thought it was worth the risk of exposing ourselves like that, then there's no other explanation other than to save Jihadi John. I dare anyone who suspects either of us are a G to come up with any other explanation for our last minute behavior.

True that would be terrible G play, but so would be saving X by a bunch of organised G.

In any way we would know everything if not for the Lawyer . Now we will be guessing again tomorrow.

 

[Alen]

Also, why Ocelot?

The only, or one of the two Cs who voted Matt? So now it would appear that it wasn't the Gs who were saving X?

P.S: Actually, if X is a G, then at least 2 civilians voted Matt. X wasn't here to vote for him and Ocelot was a civilian. So, of those 5 votes for Matt, maximum 3 are from Gs.

 

[Fred]

True that would be terrible G play, but so would be saving X by a bunch of organised G.

In any way we would know everything if not for the Lawyer . Now we will be guessing again tomorrow.

Not really though. You're assuming that all of them are G's, they're not. A few of them were genuine C's who thought X was a C, probably one, maybe two were fellow G's that put in a vote to save him. That is assuming X is a G of course.

Look, if you think tonight's events had a meaning, and there was a G being saved, then there is only one of two scenario's:

If you think Jihadi John was a g, and was being saved, then who saved him? Me and Alen saved him right? maybe one of us is a G and another is an innocent C? What's the best way to find out? by lynching Jihadi John

If you think X was a g, and was being saved, then who saved him? So many people were involved in that, Hoori, Klin, Woody, Voller and Ocelot(already dead). Still, some of them are bound to be C's, so what's the best way to find out. By lynching X