Luis Suarez - Forward - Liverpool (53 Viewers)

[Fake Melo]

If we go from Del Piero to this guy, we have surely lost the stile juve.

please discuss.

 

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[adriano_c]

but let's say instead of handballing, suarex had just taclked strongly from behind. he would have got the same outcome (red card + penalty that ghana missed)

no one would have cared.

it's not cheating. Henry hand goal vs ireland is cheating. Maradona hann of god is cheating. Buffon taking the ball out is cheating. They got away with doing it with no punishment

Tackling is one thing, deciding he's the new goalkeeper for his team is another completely. I can't believe I'm even having to argue this. What he did was so utterly ridiculous and indefensible from a sporting perspective. How people can look at it again and not just think "what the fuck?" is beyond me.

Cheating is willfully breaking the rules to either gain an advantage or hinder your opponent. Simple, no?

---------- Post added 15.04.2012 at 20:15 ----------

If we go from Del Piero to this guy, we have surely lost the stile juve.

please discuss.

He's an Inter signing through and through.

 

[ALC]

Tackling is one thing, deciding he's the new goalkeeper for his team is another completely. I can't believe I'm even having to argue this. What he did was so utterly ridiculous and indefensible from a sporting perspective. How people can look at it again and not just think "what the fuck?" is beyond me.

Cheating is willfully breaking the rules to either gain an advantage or hinder your opponent. Simple, no?

---------- Post added 15.04.2012 at 20:15 ----------



He's an Inter signing through and through.

Thanks for enlightening us with your meaning of the word cheating. We'll go with that from now on.

 

[Trequartista]

If we go from Del Piero to this guy, we have surely lost the stile juve.

please discuss.

Agreed. I don't want him, I'd much rather have Jovetic.

 

[swag]

Tackling is one thing, deciding he's the new goalkeeper for his team is another completely. I can't believe I'm even having to argue this. What he did was so utterly ridiculous and indefensible from a sporting perspective. How people can look at it again and not just think "what the fuck?" is beyond me.

Cheating is willfully breaking the rules to either gain an advantage or hinder your opponent. Simple, no?

No, it's not. By that argument, every player who has received a yellow card, let alone a red card, is a cheater.

 

[adriano_c]

No, it's not. By that argument, every player who has received a yellow card, let alone a red card, is a cheater.

It's not? Heh. It definitely is defined by "breaking the rules." Pick up a dictionary. When put in the context of football it's necessary, I think, to take intent into account as well. People get handed cards often out of sheer clumsiness; them being penalized doesn't make them cheaters.

 

[swag]

It's not? Heh. It definitely is defined by "breaking the rules." Pick up a dictionary. When put in the context of football it's necessary, I think, to take intent into account as well. People get handed cards often out of sheer clumsiness; them being penalized doesn't make them cheaters.

They are penalized because they broke the rules. Some do so willfully, some accidentally. Sometimes there are smart fouls to give. That would be considered cheating in your definition. When Marchisio brought down Pandev on a break against Napoli a couple weeks ago, earning him a yellow, that defines him as a cheater in your book.

Even a player who tears off his jersey after scoring a goal... it's against the rules, he willingly knows it, and he gets a yellow card. That, by your definition, also makes that player a cheater. Sure he may not play an "advantage" in that situation. But who's to say the goal celebration isn't partly an intimidation factor? Or riling up the fans so that they give the home team more energy?

It's absurd.

 

[adriano_c]

They are penalized because they broke the rules. Some do so willfully, some accidentally. Sometimes there are smart fouls to give. That would be considered cheating in your definition. When Marchisio brought down Pandev on a break against Napoli a couple weeks ago, earning him a yellow, that defines him as a cheater in your book.

Yes.

If you play a game and you break the rules (to hinder/help) you're cheating.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Adriano please look up GamesManship

 

[adriano_c]

Adriano please look up GamesManship

No need, as I already know the definition. Are you implying Suarez playing as goalkeeper falls under that umbrella? It absolutely doesn't.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well revisiting does you good, and Suarez at the line ball stopping is the epitome of gamesmanship

 

[adriano_c]

Perhaps you should be revisiting the definition yourself. What he did was categorically illegal.

 

[swag]

Personally, I see cheating more as breaking the rules for an unfair advantage with the intention of not being caught. That wasn't the case with Suarez's goalkeeping. He clearly knew the consequences and did not protest.

If there's a problem with how the situation is executed, then the problem is the rules that need to be changed. Blame the game, not the playa.

 

[Trequartista]

Perhaps you should be revisiting the definition yourself. What he did was categorically illegal.

He got red carded and missed the semi finals for it. It's not his fault that Asamoah Gyan can't score a penalty to save his life.

I don't like Suarez for several reasons but that handball is not one of it.

 

[adriano_c]

He got red carded and missed the semi finals for it. It's not his fault that Asamoah Gyan can't score a penalty to save his life.

I don't like Suarez for several reasons but that handball is not one of it.

Whether he was punished or not has no bearing on whether he cheated or not. He did. There's no way to argue around it.

It's also nowhere in the realm "gamesmanship" as suggested above.

 

[swag]

He got red carded and missed the semi finals for it. It's not his fault that Asamoah Gyan can't score a penalty to save his life.

Absolutely true.

I don't like Suarez for several reasons but that handball is not one of it.

Also true, though I still think the handball was a sleazy thing to do. But if that were Juve, I'd want him to do that.

 

[Daria_Uruguay]

If in next game Vucinic does exactly as Suarez did, and then Buffon saves the penalty I won´t celebrate since as you know that is cheating ....

 

[adriano_c]

If there's a problem with how the situation is executed, then the problem is the rules that need to be changed. Blame the game, not the playa.

I don't understand this part. That outfield players cannot use their hands isn't a rule that needs to be changed, thus I can't blame the game at all. I blame Suarez!

 

[ALC]

so what if he "cheated"? thank God he did, otherwise Ghana would've gone to the semis.

 

[adriano_c]

If in next game Vucinic does exactly as Suarez did, and then Buffon saves the penalty I won´t celebrate since as you know that is cheating ....

If Vucinic did exactly what Suarez did, I wouldn't want him at Juventus either.