Luigi "Vergogna" Delneri (4 Viewers)
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bullshit,since we got back up from serie B 3 different coaches have failed to take a team with world champion to any real success,not managed to gel a team out of thse professionals and all accused of under performing.....for me the players who showed great loyalty have now become an albatross around our necks,now is the time to clear the decks and start again,but this is going to take a strong coach who commands respect,i fear thatb del neri will never gain that respect
Short summary for this post for the lazy ones: Prandelli >>>>>>>>>>> Del Neri for moi.
I know Prandelli gets bit of a weird stigma around here (more then him being a gamble, seems to be mocked for being the Viola coach). How is Prandelli's accomplishment less then Del Neri as you seem to imply? I DEFENITELY prefer to gamble on Prandelli even if he has to prove himself more. He has had some positive and encouraging work for Parma and especially Fiorentina, even if inconsistent and failed this season (I saw the typical signs of too much to handle for both CL and league, seen it with Villareal, Sevilla etc, certain clubs cant handle it). Might not mean much for some, but also plays good football (to use a cheesy term, modern football, even if his defensive signings are suspect, he plays technical and mobile football) and has done well overally so far in his career for the goals Fiorentina has had, except this season that is (even if IMO they impressed in CL).
But Del in comparison is, in simple terms like this: Chievo: The Chievo miracle of promoted and direct Uefa cup place: Porto: Failure: Roma: Failure: Palermo: Another failure. Back to Chievo: His 2nd tenure with them a failure: Then to Atalanta: Two seasons of decent work. Then to Samp now, and a success for sure. His 2nd in one in his career since his first Chievo tenure.
All in all, his track record is bit inconsistent no? Even if I put it in a simplistic way, because ofcourse its not as easy as he was solely to blame every single time, but the coach takes responsibilities for the results. And most of the above I would say is his responsibility except Porto, because he didnt get a chance to coach there, to say the least. But the rest, its been a collection of the typical failure so to speak, start out well/decently, and then hit a streak of poor results that got him fired/replaced, not being to the goals these teams set.
All in all, there is nothing that suggest he is up to the task of handling this mess that is Juve (I consider Ranieri to be CLEARLY superior coach, that should say enough, considering my opinion of Ranieri) , even if is a good job vert well done in taking Samp to CL spot (though if we have to consider other factors for his failures, we have to do the same for the success in Samp, as in the foundation Mazzari left behind being a good one).
I know Prandelli gets bit of a weird stigma around here (more then him being a gamble, seems to be mocked for being the Viola coach). How is Prandelli's accomplishment less then Del Neri as you seem to imply? I DEFENITELY prefer to gamble on Prandelli even if he has to prove himself more. He has had some positive and encouraging work for Parma and especially Fiorentina, even if inconsistent and failed this season (I saw the typical signs of too much to handle for both CL and league, seen it with Villareal, Sevilla etc, certain clubs cant handle it). Might not mean much for some, but also plays good football (to use a cheesy term, modern football, even if his defensive signings are suspect, he plays technical and mobile football) and has done well overally so far in his career for the goals Fiorentina has had, except this season that is (even if IMO they impressed in CL).
But Del in comparison is, in simple terms like this: Chievo: The Chievo miracle of promoted and direct Uefa cup place: Porto: Failure: Roma: Failure: Palermo: Another failure. Back to Chievo: His 2nd tenure with them a failure: Then to Atalanta: Two seasons of decent work. Then to Samp now, and a success for sure. His 2nd in one in his career since his first Chievo tenure.
All in all, his track record is bit inconsistent no? Even if I put it in a simplistic way, because ofcourse its not as easy as he was solely to blame every single time, but the coach takes responsibilities for the results. And most of the above I would say is his responsibility except Porto, because he didnt get a chance to coach there, to say the least. But the rest, its been a collection of the typical failure so to speak, start out well/decently, and then hit a streak of poor results that got him fired/replaced, not being to the goals these teams set.
All in all, there is nothing that suggest he is up to the task of handling this mess that is Juve (I consider Ranieri to be CLEARLY superior coach, that should say enough, considering my opinion of Ranieri) , even if is a good job vert well done in taking Samp to CL spot (though if we have to consider other factors for his failures, we have to do the same for the success in Samp, as in the foundation Mazzari left behind being a good one).
I'm not going to say I'm happy at this appointment, but it may be okay.
Juve have a good squad, and it should be improved this summer, but it has woefully underperformed.
Juve don't need a genius to make the team good again, just someone to do the basics rights: get the players fit, motivated and playing a system that suits the team squad.
Give him a two year deal, finish in the top three in the league, then see if he is the man to take the next step to go and actually win something.
Juve have a good squad, and it should be improved this summer, but it has woefully underperformed.
Juve don't need a genius to make the team good again, just someone to do the basics rights: get the players fit, motivated and playing a system that suits the team squad.
Give him a two year deal, finish in the top three in the league, then see if he is the man to take the next step to go and actually win something.
I think it's a matter of looking at the bigger picture. Does it make sense to have a rated coach who has trouble with the management, or with the players? Personally, I'd rather have a gamble coach who is in sync with management and players and creates a united atmosphere. In the end, collectives win trophies not individuals. A strong collective force is always better in the long term than brilliance on an individual level, be it coach, players or directors. We have to see what the sum of all the new parts translate to. That is where it's at.
