Luigi "Vergogna" Delneri (38 Viewers)

[Buck Fuddy]

We're not a side who always play defensively though, almost never in fact. Actually, I wish we would play a more defensive game.

 

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[Azzurri7]

But let's not get ahead of ourselves and blame everyone and everyhing. We've seen before that the coach wasn't our problem, the sporting director wasn't the biggest of our problems and heck even rubbish playes like Molinaro, Amauri and Marchionni weren't. This club is more or less doomed unless some big revolution occurs

No we are not doomed. We need a world class coach who can make the right decisions in a simple matches like the Lecce one. If he wants to defend against the likes of Lecce and Chievo and Parma then there's no place for him here.

Subs are 50% of the games most of the times. If you're smart, you read the game well you can win matches with your tactical subs. When was the last time Del Neri turned the game in our favor or made a comeback? Never.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

But let's not get ahead of ourselves and blame everyone and everyhing. We've seen before that the coach wasn't our problem, the sporting director wasn't the biggest of our problems and heck even rubbish playes like Molinaro, Amauri and Marchionni weren't. This club is more or less doomed unless some big revolution occurs

I thought Andrea Agnelli coming into the club WAS the big revolution!

 

[Azzurri7]

We're not a side who always play defensively though, almost never in fact. Actually, I wish we would play a more defensive game.

80% I'd say of our matches were very defensive matches.

In our last 6 matches lets say if I remember correctly, we played defensive football against Sampdoria, Udine, Inter and Lecce, against Palermo we played some offensive football but was still not enough.

 

[Nedvěd]

No we are not doomed. We need a world class coach who can make the right decisions in a simple matches like the Lecce one. If he wants to defend against the likes of Lecce and Chievo and Parma then there's no place for him here.

Subs are 50% of the games most of the times. If you're smart, you read the game well you can win matches with your tactical subs. When was the last time Del Neri turned the game in our favor or made a comeback? Never.

I remember last season Delneri made brilliant subs against Roma and beaten them 2-0 or 2-1 and lost Roma the league.
What happened? Last season I remember Delneri making some smart subs with Sampdoria.

 

[Gian]

No we are not doomed. We need a world class coach who can make the right decisions in a simple matches like the Lecce one. If he wants to defend against the likes of Lecce and Chievo and Parma then there's no place for him here.

Subs are 50% of the games most of the times. If you're smart, you read the game well you can win matches with your tactical subs. When was the last time Del Neri turned the game in our favor or made a comeback? Never.

Cesena and Bari, at home. 1-0 down and 1-1.

The man lost it, never said he was good but a transition won't occur with firing him. We were doomed last year, this year, in the coming future we will have money problems surely since the TV contracts are expending and the chance of a CL-spot have declined more with only 3 spots. Napoli, Milan, Inter, Roma, Juve. 3 spots. Good luck Juve. How can one stay optimistic about our future? Unless some heavenly coach comes by, offers himself at this club, along with some fullbacks and a midfielder I can see us repeating this form next year too.

Talking about subs, we dont have a bench. Pepe and Sissoko, but that's about it.

 

[Azzurri7]

I remember last season Delneri made brilliant subs against Roma and beaten them 2-0 or 2-1 and lost Roma the league.
What happened? Last season I remember Delneri making some smart subs with Sampdoria.

That's because teams like Sampdoria are perfect for him. Big team like Juve isn't. He can't handle the pressure, he can't read the games well and so on. Some coaches just can't live the hype and it's better if they stick to their average mid table teams.

 

[Nedvěd]

That's because teams like Sampdoria are perfect for him. Big team like Juve isn't. He can't handle the pressure, he can't read the games well and so on. Some coaches just can't live the hype and it's better if they stick to their average mid table teams.

Yeah I think that Delneri is a bit like Hodgson, brilliant with small team, shit with the big ones. Although, you have to admire that he sticks to playing with 2 strikers and wide players, I like managers who play 4-4-2.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

80% I'd say of our matches were very defensive matches.

In our last 6 matches lets say if I remember correctly, we played defensive football against Sampdoria, Udine, Inter and Lecce, against Palermo we played some offensive football but was still not enough.

That's really not how I see it.
Yesterday for some example, we did not play a defensive game. Neither in terms of fielded players, nor in terms of approach. Just because we weren't able to create any real chances, doesn't mean we played a defensive game.

We should however adopt a more defensive approach, sitting back & waiting for the right moment, instead of playing a possession game which usually ends in us getting burned on the counter (or on long balls such as yesterday).

 

[Azzurri7]

That's really not how I see it.
Yesterday for some example, we did not play a defensive game. Neither in terms of fielded players, nor in terms of approach. Just because we weren't able to create any real chances, doesn't mean we played a defensive game.

I disagree. If you're not creating chances then you're not attacking. And if you're not attacking then you're defending the score.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not going to say I'm happy at this appointment, but it may be okay.

Juve have a good squad, and it should be improved this summer, but it has woefully underperformed.

Juve don't need a genius to make the team good again, just someone to do the basics rights: get the players fit, motivated and playing a system that suits the team squad.

Give him a two year deal, finish in the top three in the league, then see if he is the man to take the next step to go and actually win something.

Just saw this post at the start of the thread when Del Scary was appointed. Does anyone think he's actually getting the basics right? Consistently enough for us to improve upon our disastrous last season?

 

[JuveJay]

That's really not how I see it.
Yesterday for some example, we did not play a defensive game. Neither in terms of fielded players, nor in terms of approach. Just because we weren't able to create any real chances, doesn't mean we played a defensive game.

We should however adopt a more defensive approach, sitting back & waiting for the right moment, instead of playing a possession game which usually ends in us getting burned on the counter (or on long balls such as yesterday).

It's a common misconception. Even a very average or poor team can look good defensively if they actually are set up defensively, like the small teams we see travel to away grounds, such as our own.

I disagree. If you're not creating chances then you're not attacking. And if you're not attacking then you're defending the score.

No, it just means you aren't doing anything. Playing percentage football and hoping for the best.

 

[Fake Melo]

Can mods add poll?

 

[Nedvěd]

Juve needs a new fresh blood, both in management and players. Like Milan and Barca, Juve should hire a young manager with an attackting style of football, someone who won't over use the old players and won't be afraid to play the young guns. The likes of Giovinco and De Celgie should be given there chances, sure they won't do worse than the likes of Grosso Grygera and Salihamidzic.
Delneri is too stubborn to play the likes of Gio, Ceglie and Sorensen regularly, and if Juve brought a big name manager, that manager will have lot's of expectations on him, and would be too afraid to use the youth, and would depend on the experienced players in order to get the best results.
It's a big gamble, but it's one that pays well if worked.

 

[KB824]

Juve needs a new fresh blood, both in management and players. Like Milan and Barca, Juve should hire a young manager with an attackting style of football, someone who won't over use the old players and won't be afraid to play the young guns. The likes of Giovinco and De Celgie should be given there chances, sure they won't do worse than the likes of Grosso Grygera and Salihamidzic.
Delneri is too stubborn to play the likes of Gio, Ceglie and Sorensen regularly, and if Juve brought a big name manager, that manager will have lot's of expectations on him, and would be too afraid to use the youth, and would depend on the experienced players in order to get the best results.
It's a big gamble, but it's one that pays well if worked.

Gio- Can't play someone who isn't here. But that's another story for another time.
DeCeglie- He's been hurt for three months. Was starting to turn the corner a little when he got hurt
Sorensen- Has started 8 of the last 10 matches. For an 18 year old playing out of position, that is no mean feat.

But this was the move that I simply couldn' t understand from the beginning. Bringing this guy in made no sense at all. If anyone had watched Sampdoria last season, there were times that the team won IN SPITE of him. I didn't like this move in May, and I hate it even more now.

I wanted Leonardo. I really, really did. And I got laughed at

 

[Azzurri7]

Can mods add poll?

I'll do it in a separate thread but for what exactly? Coach you want to replace Del Neri or whether Del Neri should be fired or not?

 

[Fake Melo]

Best would be a poll whether Delneri should be fired (in this thread)

A new thread with coach you want to replace Delneri with.

 

[JuveJay]

I can tell you the results already, 95%+ will say Delneri should be fired.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Juve needs a new fresh blood, both in management and players. Like Milan and Barca, Juve should hire a young manager with an attackting style of football, someone who won't over use the old players and won't be afraid to play the young guns. The likes of Giovinco and De Celgie should be given there chances, sure they won't do worse than the likes of Grosso Grygera and Salihamidzic.
Delneri is too stubborn to play the likes of Gio, Ceglie and Sorensen regularly, and if Juve brought a big name manager, that manager will have lot's of expectations on him, and would be too afraid to use the youth, and would depend on the experienced players in order to get the best results.
It's a big gamble, but it's one that pays well if worked.

Already tried and tested with Ferrara. Besides, I'm sure Del Scary surprised everyone by playing Sorensen in defence for so long. I didn't think he's get more than 2 substitute appears, especially in his first season!

We simply need someone who makes sensible decisions on the pitch while maintaining discipline in the squad.

 

[Fake Melo]

I can tell you the results already, 95%+ will say Delneri should be fired.

I just want to see Neutrol being all alone