Louis Van Gaal - Manager (5 Viewers)

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Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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If you can see into the future, why didn't you warn the triade about Calciopoli? We wouldn't be having this conversation, so in a nutshell, all this bs thatJuventus & it's fans are going through, is your fault!
I tried to warn them but they didn`t listen:D
Why would Capello need to turn the club upside down when it's already upside down? Either way, we won't get either of them.

Probably not

He didn't get much to spend, you are kidding right? Did we get Emerson for peanuts? Did we sign Patrick Vieira on a free transfer? What about Zebina? If you're satisfied with improving over clinching 3rd spot for CL qualification then he's your man, just don't expect to get very far in the CL with his pre historic football tactics.
We paid for Emerson and Vieira but we also sold players to fund those so overall we didnt spend too much

Zebina? what about him? He was a free transfer

I didn`t say he would get us 3rd spot I said he would get us to top 3 it means 1st 2nd or 3rd. to get there in one season from 8th place well I won`t be too dissapointed altough I as a Juve fan always want us to win the scudetto
right now our objective should be making Juve a top team again which mean fighting for the scudetto and endind at least with a CL spot (worst case scenario)
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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No matter the coach it will take us some 4-5 years at least to get far in CL. By that time Capello will retire anyway.
All we need for the next 2-3 years is someone to stabilize the team, make it reach top 3 (which will be needed in order to play CL) for 2-3 seasons in a row. Only then we can start thinking about winning the scudetto and only after that we can think about making our presence felt in CL.

For 2 seasons in a row we're struggling to catch the last train for playing in EL but we still live in denial and we still live in pre-calciopoli time, dreaming about winning the CL.
Come on Byrone, lets be realistic. It's one thing and a logical thing to say that Capello won't accept to work in a club in our condition, but it's another thing to actually refuse a coach because he won't win us the CL.
I'm being realistic, i'm not expecting the next coach to immediately win top honors, i'm expecting a coach that has vision & that can see further than his nose, someone that can balance the team out with youth & experience, that will nurture young players. I'm expecting a coach that knows how to adapt to different scenarios that can change his favored formation if it were required. Capello certainly doesn't have those characteristics, hiring him will be counter productive IMO.

Those are the reasons i don't want Capello here, not because he can't win us the CL. He'll stick around for a season or two, tops, then what? We end up struggling to find a suitable replacement. Long term stability is the key here.

I tried to warn them but they didn`t listen:D


We paid for Emerson and Vieira but we also sold players to fund those so overall we didnt spend too much

Zebina? what about him? He was a free transfer

I didn`t say he would get us 3rd spot I said he would get us to top 3 it means 1st 2nd or 3rd. to get there in one season from 8th place well I won`t be too dissapointed altough I as a Juve fan always want us to win the scudetto
right now our objective should be making Juve a top team again which mean fighting for the scudetto and endind at least with a CL spot (worst case scenario)
The point is, Capello got the players he wanted & they weren't cheap. Capello walked into a team filled with champions, so lets not make it seem like Capello turned some average joes into super stars.

When will people get past all of the nostalgic wet dreams?
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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I'm being realistic, i'm not expecting the next coach to immediately win top honors, i'm expecting a coach that has vision & that can see further than his nose, someone that can balance the team out with youth & experience, that will nurture young players. I'm expecting a coach that knows how to adapt to different scenarios that can change his favored formation if it were required. Capello certainly doesn't have those characteristics, hiring him will be counter productive IMO.

Those are the reasons i don't want Capello here, not because he can't win us the CL. He'll stick around for a season or two, tops, then what? We end up struggling to find a suitable replacement. Long term stability is the key here.
You and everyone else is wanting and expecting that, but the problem is that we'll need huge luck to find such a coach immediately, without previously trying and failing with at least 2-3 other young coaches. We're not in position to risk again with a young coach and hope that he'll be THE ONE, who'll stay here for a long time and get us back on top.
If the team is in good condition, if it has good players, then you could take the risk Barca took with Guardiola. But in our condition we need guarantees and a short term top quality coach can give them to us.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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The point is, Capello got the players he wanted & they weren't cheap. Capello walked into a team filled with champions, so lets not make it seem like Capello turned some average joes into super stars.
I don`t think he will get the current players to superstars
I think our current squad could finish much higher up in the table
Milan and Inter might be strong but they are not as strong as champions should be
last year`s Inter was a very strong team
Juve in the good days were a very strong team

This Milan and Inter are far from being unbeateable not to mention I can`t understand how Napoli finish higher than us!

BUT I also expect Capello to demand specific players that would raise our quality and I expect him to ask for defenders as well+making us more solid defensively

Lets say I expect more from players like Melo Marchisio Aquilani Krasic and even Iaquinta and Amauri. They are all better players than what they are currently showing and its due to the current mentality and tactics
Its not coincidence to me that Amauri is starting to score (I`m not saying he is WC)

players like Pepe Motta Grosso Grygera and others are playing to the level they would elsewhere IMO the problem is that they are way below a top club material
 

Bezzy

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Jun 5, 2010
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You and everyone else is wanting and expecting that, but the problem is that we'll need huge luck to find such a coach immediately, without previously trying and failing with at least 2-3 other young coaches. We're not in position to risk again with a young coach and hope that he'll be THE ONE, who'll stay here for a long time and get us back on top.
If the team is in good condition, if it has good players, then you could take the risk Barca took with Guardiola. But in our condition we need guarantees and a short term top quality coach can give them to us.

Van Gaal would be to perfect he is can do every point you and byrone mentioned. I would really go crazy if van gaal becomes the new coach.
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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You and everyone else is wanting and expecting that, but the problem is that we'll need huge luck to find such a coach immediately, without previously trying and failing with at least 2-3 other young coaches. We're not in position to risk again with a young coach and hope that he'll be THE ONE, who'll stay here for a long time and get us back on top.
If the team is in good condition, if it has good players, then you could take the risk Barca took with Guardiola. But in our condition we need guarantees and a short term top quality coach can give them to us.
We don't need luck. We could easily tempt Deschamps to come back, there are many top managers that could be in it for the long haul. Deschamps has that winning mentality, he'll immediately command the respect of the players & fans. He knows what this team's objectives are more than most coaches & he's proved that he's ready for the big stage.

Hell, if we can't get a coach for the long term then there are better options than Capello. Hiddink for example, we could tempt him here & it's all a question of money. Capello would command a higher wage than Hiddink imo & besides Hiddink would at least get the players to enjoy their football, become a cohesive unit & actually play on the ground with out resorting to blind hopeful passes & booted long balls. Capello is not the only coach that's capable of restoring structure & balance to this team.

I don`t think he will get the current players to superstars
I think our current squad could finish much higher up in the table
Milan and Inter might be strong but they are not as strong as champions should be
last year`s Inter was a very strong team
Juve in the good days were a very strong team

This Milan and Inter are far from being unbeateable not to mention I can`t understand how Napoli finish higher than us!

BUT I also expect Capello to demand specific players that would raise our quality and I expect him to ask for defenders as well+making us more solid defensively

Lets say I expect more from players like Melo Marchisio Aquilani Krasic and even Iaquinta and Amauri. They are all better players than what they are currently showing and its due to the current mentality and tactics
Its not coincidence to me that Amauri is starting to score (I`m not saying he is WC)

players like Pepe Motta Grosso Grygera and others are playing to the level they would elsewhere IMO the problem is that they are way below a top club material
Of course the team can perform much better, this team has the potential to fight for the scudetto except constant injuries, lack of quality squad depth & a negative loser mentality is holding them back.

As for Capello bringing in quality players, did you not have enough of the DM buffet we had? That's what Capello will be after, more defensive minded players that can't turn things around when the going gets tough.

Van Gaal would be to perfect he is can do every point you and byrone mentioned. I would really go crazy if van gaal becomes the new coach.
He's not Italian so we just have to forget about it.
 

Orgut

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We don't need luck. We could easily tempt Deschamps to come back, there are many top managers that could be in it for the long haul. Deschamps has that winning mentality, he'll immediately command the respect of the players & fans. He knows what this team's objectives are more than most coaches & he's proved that he's ready for the big stage.

Hell, if we can't get a coach for the long term then there are better options than Capello. Hiddink for example, we could tempt him here & it's all a question of money. Capello would command a higher wage than Hiddink imo & besides Hiddink would at least get the players to enjoy their football, become a cohesive unit & actually play on the ground with out resorting to blind hopeful passes & booted long balls. Capello is not the only coach that's capable of restoring structure & balance to this team.



Of course the team can perform much better, this team has the potential to fight for the scudetto except constant injuries, lack of quality squad depth & a negative loser mentality is holding them back.

As for Capello bringing in quality players, did you not have enough of the DM buffet we had? That's what Capello will be after, more defensive minded players that can't turn things around when the going gets tough.


He's not Italian so we just have to forget about it.
I do not agree
He will get some defensive players but also attacking ones
and anyway do you think our defense is perfect?!
If bringing a DM will fix it then I`m all for it
He should do whatever the team need
No` 1 on that list is fixing our defensive problems menataly and quality wise
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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I do not agree
He will get some defensive players but also attacking ones
and anyway do you think our defense is perfect?!
If bringing a DM will fix it then I`m all for it
He should do whatever the team need
No` 1 on that list is fixing our defensive problems menataly and quality wise
Attacking ones? Sure thing. Where did i say that our defense is perfect? It's a matter of bringing in established fullbacks that can carry their load defensively & offensively.

It won't help getting another two or three DM's when opposition teams know that the team is vulnerable on the flanks.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Attacking ones? Sure thing. Where did i say that our defense is perfect? It's a matter of bringing in established fullbacks that can carry their load defensively & offensively.

It won't help getting another two or three DM's when opposition teams know that the team is vulnerable on the flanks.
and I didn`t say we don`t need fullbacks
our first priority is the defence which means 1st fullbacks then making our team defend as a unit and if a new defensive player helps and a formation that consist more defensive players help us to get our objective then I`m all for it as right now we are far from reaching our objectives which are not that high anyway 4th spot...

I don`t want Capello as our manager for the next 10 years I want him for the next few years just to stabilize us and make us a good team again
After that I`m more toward a manager like Wenger which I really like
 

Nedvěd

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Romours that van Gaal is getting sacked if he loses another match
Rumours that Del Neri is asked to leave after the Milan game

and I say :tuttosport:
 

YasoR17

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Nedvěd;2923702 said:
Romours that van Gaal is getting sacked if he loses another match
Rumours that Del Neri is asked to leave after the Milan game

and I say :tuttosport:
Hannover 3-1 Bayern now. Bayern fans have been chanting "Van Gaal raus" (Van Gaal out) for a time now.
 
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