Linux for your taste (sorry Naw :D) (37 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Because apparently they package everything that's in the repo. So you can give the 31 cds to your cousin in inner Mongolia where there's no internet and he'll have his pick of every package debian offers.

You gotta be fuckin' kiddin me!

EDIT: Now downloading the 1st ISO at 1245 KB\s at work!

 

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[Martin]

You gotta be fuckin' kiddin me!

I think this is a policy they've had from the beginning, except the repo is growing and growing. If you think about it it's really not much work, all the packages already exist. Just create an iso and copy them over, this is automated I'm sure.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

But I CAN download packages from the internet just like in Ubuntu, right?

 

[JCK]

But I CAN download packages from the internet just like in Ubuntu, right?

Of course you can. They use the same database.

 

[Martin]

Of course you can. They use the same database.

No, the repo is not the same. But most of Ubuntu's packages come out of the Debian repo unchanged.

And therefore many Debian packages work on Ubuntu out of the box.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No, I didn't mean using the Debian packages in Ubuntu and vice-versa. Just wanted to know if I could download Debian programs through packages and not ONLY by those 30 CD's. It was a stupid question. I guess all Linux distros work that way. :dunce:

 

[JCK]

Posting from Epiphany on Debian.

The smoothest disro in terms of hardware usage so far, on my old laptop.

 

[Rami]

What many people don't understand about Linux development
is that it's truly a team effort:
Red Hat develops the kernel,
Novell develops the applications,
Debian does the packaging,
and Ubuntu takes the credit!
—Joke found on a bathroom stall at LinuxWorld Boston 2005

 

[Martin]

What many people don't understand about Linux development
is that it's truly a team effort:
Red Hat develops the kernel,
Novell develops the applications,
Debian does the packaging,
and Ubuntu takes the credit!
—Joke found on a bathroom stall at LinuxWorld Boston 2005

That's not really true though. Basically you do the first three steps and at this point noone knows that all this has been done Then comes Ubuntu and says "look, shiny" and people listen and they buy a dozen each

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[Rami]

That's not really true though. Basically you do the first three steps and at this point noone knows that all this has been done Then comes Ubuntu and says "look, shiny" and people listen and they buy a dozen each

Ubuntu? Shiny? Really? Its fuckin brown

I am not Ubuntu hater, but just looking at its history and how it came to being tells you how it actually hurt Debian. Why did Mark Shuttleworth decide to fork Debian into Ubuntu? Why did he lure top Debian developers and turn them into full time devs for Ubuntu? Couldn't he just do that within Debian?

I mean imagine Ubuntu having the support of the 1000's of Debian devs. The Ubuntu bug list is getting longer and longer, and Canonical is getting inundated under the deluge. They could use the help of the Debian army who have a 17 years of experience under their belt. But that would happen since Mark decided to fork out Ubuntu.

On another note, I am gonna install Gentoo on another partition

 

[Martin]

Ubuntu? Shiny? Really? Its fuckin brown

I am not Ubuntu hater, but just looking at its history and how it came to being tells you how it actually hurt Debian. Why did Mark Shuttleworth decide to fork Debian into Ubuntu? Why did he lure top Debian developers and turn them into full time devs for Ubuntu? Couldn't he just do that within Debian?

I mean imagine Ubuntu having the support of the 1000's of Debian devs. The Ubuntu bug list is getting longer and longer, and Canonical is getting inundated under the deluge. They could use the help of the Debian army who have a 17 years of experience under their belt. But that would happen since Mark decided to fork out Ubuntu.

On another note, I am gonna install Gentoo on another partition

Nope And that's the whole point really. Ubuntu has a vastly different profile than Debian in terms of how it presents itself and the conservative Debian would never go for that. Ubuntu is ALL about bling, Debian is the opposite.

 

[Rami]

Nope And that's the whole point really. Ubuntu has a vastly different profile than Debian in terms of how it presents itself and the conservative Debian would never go for that. Ubuntu is ALL about bling, Debian is the opposite.

By bling you mean bleeding edge right? Don't they have Sid?

 

[Martin]

By bling you mean bleeding edge right? Don't they have Sid?

No, I mean bling as in it's cool and it's fun. Have you frickin seen the Debian website? Does it look like anything you'd be interested in browsing for even 30 seconds?

Ubuntu and Debian have different values, that's the core point.

 

[Rami]

No, I mean bling as in it's cool and it's fun. Have you frickin seen the Debian website? Does it look like anything you'd be interested in browsing for even 30 seconds?

Ubuntu and Debian have different values, that's the core point.

Oh comon, thats too superficial. It's freakin GPL! Could just repackage it and call it Ubuntu, without having to split the community.

 

[Martin]

Oh comon, thats too superficial. It's freakin GPL! Could just repackage it and call it Ubuntu, without having to split the community.

That's what a fork is, man. A repackage and a rename. And that's more or less what they did, but in the long run their goals got more ambitious.

Seriously, are you new to this culture? The gaim/pidgin people frickin forked because they were unhappy with the size of the chat input field on one of the windows. This is how temperamental some of these people are.

 

[Martin]

You know it's hard enough to get people to work together when they have the same goals. But when they have different goals, then it's nearly impossible.

Ubuntu's stated goal is to compete with Windows. To be cool and attractive and the best possible out of the box experience for the user, especially new users.

Debian is about producing the best possible product for the serious user, not the beginner. They have high standards for everything, not just code quality but also licensing is taken very seriously, no compromises. And not to mention testing, which is why they lag so far behind distros that stay current with releases.

 

[Rami]

That's what a fork is, man. A repackage and a rename. And that's more or less what they did, but in the long run their goals got more ambitious.

Seriously, are you new to this culture? The gaim/pidgin people frickin forked because they were unhappy with the size of the chat input field on one of the windows. This is how temperamental some of these people are.

Haha no not new at all, but I am merely thinking out loud on how would Ubuntu look like had it had the Debian army of coders.

 

[Rami]

@Martin. Stage 3, 2, or 1 tarball installation? What does each mean anyways?

 

[Martin]

@Martin. Stage 3, 2, or 1 tarball installation? What does each mean anyways?

I could explain but frankly I don't think you'd get anything out of knowing that. It's a typical Gentoo obsession. Go with stage 3.