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Mar 6, 2005
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    Oh, I am, I am..
    I wanted to try kubuntu out a while back, so I burned the disc, and was gonna install it in a new box to try it out.. didnt work out that well, now I use gnome and kde apps.. much better :smoke:
     
    OP
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    Naw, what is it you like about Gnome? Since trying out KDE, I haven't looked back.
    It's simple, and it works, and, with the right themes, it's beautiful..
    I don't like searching around menus or control panels like in KDE.. it took me forever to find the wireless settings in kde, and I never got that working, for one..
     

    gray

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    It's simple, and it works, and, with the right themes, it's beautiful..
    Could the same thing not be said about KDE? Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Gnome or anything like that, but there's just something about it that makes me not like it as much as KDE.
    I don't like searching around menus or control panels like in KDE.. it took me forever to find the wireless settings in kde, and I never got that working, for one..
    Really? The wireless settings are in System -> Networking, just like they are in Gnome. Interesting...
     
    OP
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    Could the same thing not be said about KDE? Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Gnome or anything like that, but there's just something about it that makes me not like it as much as KDE.
    I guess I could say the same about KDE.. You say KDE is full of features, I say it's bloated, see what I mean?

    Really? The wireless settings are in System -> Networking, just like they are in Gnome. Interesting...
    That was the first place I looked, looked around, didn't seem to be what I was looking for, clicked away, and then 15 minutes later, found myself back there again.. :lazy:
     
    Apr 15, 2006
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    To you and and also a general remark to everyone:

    If you have trouble booting a cd, if you get errors on boot, if the cd doesn't appear to be bootable and so on. The first thing to do is to check the integrity of the cd. There are two main methods:
    1. verify the checksum
    2. verify the burn

    Checksums
    This refers to the iso image. When ISOs are distributed, distros usually provide checksums so that you can verify that the file on your disk is the same as the file on their server.

    To give a concrete example.
    from the ubuntu site, here is a mirror for the desktop iso:
    ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso

    checksums are usually stored in the same directory, so try loading
    ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/

    In there you see a file called MD5SUMS, open it. Notice the line

    Code:
    b950a4d7cf3151e5f213843e2ad77fe3  ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
    The first string is the checksum, the second is the name of the iso file. On your own system, do

    Code:
    $ md5sum ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
    b950a4d7cf3151e5f213843e2ad77fe3   ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
    And so you can see that the checksums match, you have verified the integrity of the file. There is a Windows version of md5sum, google it.

    Checking the burn
    This method can verify that the iso you burnt on a cd was burnt correctly. It depends on your burn application, in k3b you do it like so:
    1. Tools > Burn CD Image...
    2. Check Verify written data
    The burn will now take twice as long, because first you burn the image, then you read the whole disc to verify that it's the same.
    i tried that with the md5sum application for windows, got the checksum file, verified the image, burnt it AGAIN and verified the data on it too!!! but it simply didnt boot.

    so i downloaded the DVD image, but then after booting, when it's loading, in verbose mode it says 'loading gdm' an then the screen goes blank and my monitor LED keeps blinking. the system doent respond to any keystrokes.

    i just gave up n gave the then faulty Kubuntu 6.10 cd a try(it used to hang while loading the partition manager before), and it worked this time, so installed Kubuntu!

    anyways, you guys have any idea why my screen went blank when loading gdm in Gentoo live dvd?
     

    gray

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    I guess I could say the same about KDE.. You say KDE is full of features, I say it's bloated, see what I mean?
    Fair enough... but it's just little things, like the fact that I have to go through about 5 steps to set up a wallpaper randomising script in Gnome, but it's a default option in KDE. And the way Gnome would sometimes choke when I tried to reposition some of the icons in my panel (they turn into little question marks and become unresponsive). Of course, none of these things alone is enough to make me choose one over the other, but they add up.

    That was the first place I looked, looked around, didn't seem to be what I was looking for, clicked away, and then 15 minutes later, found myself back there again.. :lazy:
    But that's where the settings are...

    May I suggest you try Utilities -> KMag Screen Magnifier? :D
     

    Martin

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    I guess I could say the same about KDE.. You say KDE is full of features, I say it's bloated, see what I mean?
    "bloated" eh? For the love of god tell me how to remap window resizing from Alt+MiddleButton to Alt+RightButton (as in kde). Here's the answer. You can't without hacking the source code. :lazy: Bloat may be evil but when the defaults are f up, I'll take configurability any day.

    I'd rather take a bit longer to find what I need rather than not find it, know what I mean?

    That was the first place I looked, looked around, didn't seem to be what I was looking for, clicked away, and then 15 minutes later, found myself back there again.. :lazy:
    That may be because the guis for stuff like wireless aren't very good in the first place. I never use gui for that myself. In fact there's pretty active development in this area right now, so soon I think you'll have much nicer guis for wifi.

    But the real reason you couldn't get it working is because it wasn't really there at all, not a proper implementation.
     

    Martin

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    i tried that with the md5sum application for windows, got the checksum file, verified the image, burnt it AGAIN and verified the data on it too!!! but it simply didnt boot.

    so i downloaded the DVD image, but then after booting, when it's loading, in verbose mode it says 'loading gdm' an then the screen goes blank and my monitor LED keeps blinking. the system doent respond to any keystrokes.

    i just gave up n gave the then faulty Kubuntu 6.10 cd a try(it used to hang while loading the partition manager before), and it worked this time, so installed Kubuntu!

    anyways, you guys have any idea why my screen went blank when loading gdm in Gentoo live dvd?
    It's hard to say why this happens, it's usually a hardware thing. When the screen goes black it's probably your video driver that's messed up.

    Some cd images are just evil, I remember trying to boot from the Ubuntu Dapper cd and it just wouldn't, crashed everytime, full system freeze. I think I worked around it eventually, don't remember how anymore.
     

    gray

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    In fact there's pretty active development in this area right now, so soon I think you'll have much nicer guis for wifi.
    According to Mark Shuttleworth, Feisty Fawn will largely be geared towards end-user/desktop stuff, while a lot of what was seen in Edgy was funky under-the-hood stuff. Granted, Edgy is the first and only Ubuntu I've tried so far, so I must admit I'm very much looking forward to the final release of Feisty (I've got the date marked down on my calendar :pumpkin:)
     

    Martin

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    According to Mark Shuttleworth, Feisty Fawn will largely be geared towards end-user/desktop stuff, while a lot of what was seen in Edgy was funky under-the-hood stuff. Granted, Edgy is the first and only Ubuntu I've tried so far, so I must admit I'm very much looking forward to the final release of Feisty (I've got the date marked down on my calendar :pumpkin:)
    Fantastic :D
     
    Apr 15, 2006
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    It's hard to say why this happens, it's usually a hardware thing. When the screen goes black it's probably your video driver that's messed up.

    Some cd images are just evil, I remember trying to boot from the Ubuntu Dapper cd and it just wouldn't, crashed everytime, full system freeze. I think I worked around it eventually, don't remember how anymore.
    i wonder why! cos it recognised my video card, Nvidia Geforece FX 5200, all the possible resolutions with my monitor, frequencies, everything!!! only screwed up in loading gdm!

    anyways, is there any other distro i should try?
     

    Martin

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    i wonder why! cos it recognised my video card, Nvidia Geforece FX 5200, all the possible resolutions with my monitor, frequencies, everything!!! only screwed up in loading gdm!

    anyways, is there any other distro i should try?
    gdm has a way of screwing up itself. Do you know what gdm does? It manages sessions, so that you can have multiple users logged in at the same time, saves your session on exit (if you tell it too) etc. But gdm (and I think also kdm) can be flaky, so I prefer not to use them. I log in at the console and type startx.
     
    Apr 15, 2006
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    gdm has a way of screwing up itself. Do you know what gdm does? It manages sessions, so that you can have multiple users logged in at the same time, saves your session on exit (if you tell it too) etc. But gdm (and I think also kdm) can be flaky, so I prefer not to use them. I log in at the console and type startx.
    but it was in Live boot!!! i hadnt even installed it yet!!!

    and i didnt know what gdm did! i thought it was GNOME desktop manager or sumtin! thanx.
     

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