Linux for your taste (sorry Naw :D) (22 Viewers)

[V]

Installing gentoo is like a tutorial by itself.

this article kinda scared me off
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/12/213246

not that i was gonna try it out, seems to complicated.

 

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[JCK]

Well I passed the stage of installing it, which lasted around a day and a half. Now I am in the process of making my hardware and X the way I want. It is a hassle but it is very educative, so I am not complaining (yet)

 

[V]

wow..a whole day installing a os? :nerd:

 

[JCK]

Apparently gentoo users are called nerd

 

[Martin]

this article kinda scared me off
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/12/213246

not that i was gonna try it out, seems to complicated.

Bah, sour grapes from people who couldn't get it working, I've seen tons of those opinions on the gentoo forums. I mean it's one thing to say that Ubuntu isn't easy enough to use for the average user, cause that one is actively trying to capture the Windows converts. Gentoo is not in that bracket at all, it's a lot more geared towards people who have used RedHat/Suse/Ubuntu/whatever and been annoyed by all the arbitrary limitations in the name of "usability". That doesn't mean Windows converts can't use it (I did), but the point where gentoo really shines is when you have enough experience to appreciate that it is different.

 

[Rami]

Bah, sour grapes from people who couldn't get it working, I've seen tons of those opinions on the gentoo forums. I mean it's one thing to say that Ubuntu isn't easy enough to use for the average user, cause that one is actively trying to capture the Windows converts. Gentoo is not in that bracket at all, it's a lot more geared towards people who have used RedHat/Suse/Ubuntu/whatever and been annoyed by all the arbitrary limitations in the name of "usability". That doesn't mean Windows converts can't use it (I did), but the point where gentoo really shines is when you have enough experience to appreciate that it is different.

Jack has been convincing me to take the plunge, and I intend to, indeed I have already downloaded the ISO. However I do not have the time now, I have a 10 day vacation soon, I will use that time to "Geranamoooooooooooooo"

However I have one question, I hear that Gentoo comes with no apps, and I have to install everything myself, so my question is, do I have to install from source? I just hate doing that, I almost never got a clean installation and always with errors.

 

[V]

jeeks you outta merge this thread and the dapper thread to linux talk or something a little more geeky.

 

[Martin]

Jack has been convincing me to take the plunge, and I intend to, indeed I have already downloaded the ISO. However I do not have the time now, I have a 10 day vacation soon, I will use that time to "Geranamoooooooooooooo"

Sounds like a perfect time to install gentoo

However I have one question, I hear that Gentoo comes with no apps, and I have to install everything myself, so my question is, do I have to install from source? I just hate doing that, I almost never got a clean installation and always with errors.

Yep, gentoo is all about installing from source. So that's why it takes quite a bit longer. But it doesn't make it any more difficult, using emerge is much easier than installing with configure/make/make install (and must less error prone). This is also why gentoo supports more platforms than most distros, cause you compile everything. Some packages are available as binaries (notably openoffice).

Basically, the reason gentoo exists is to give you the power of install-from-source without the hassle.

 

[Rami]

Sounds like a perfect time to install gentoo



Yep, gentoo is all about installing from source. So that's why it takes quite a bit longer. But it doesn't make it any more difficult, using emerge is much easier than installing with configure/make/make install (and must less error prone). This is also why gentoo supports more platforms than most distros, cause you compile everything. Some packages are available as binaries (notably openoffice).

Basically, the reason gentoo exists is to give you the power of install-from-source without the hassle.

Emerge, basically merges configure/make/make install...

And portage is? the equivelant of apt-get and yum??

 

[Rami]

In the article Vlakto posted, one of the replies was this:

I became a Gentoo user a while back, and this was my experience.

1. Glibc had a minor update. Had to recompile the entire thing, taking hours.
2. Next day, Xorg had a minor update. Had to recompile the entire thing, taking hours.
3. Next day, Kde had a minor update. Had to recompile the entire thing, taking hours.
4. Next day, Xorg had another minor update. Had to recompile the entire thing, taking hours.
5. Next day, Kde had another minor update. Had to recompile the entire thing, taking hours.

And that is what the gentoo experience is: endless recompilation for every single minor, trivial update to any package.

The good news is that my CPU, usually idle, actually spent a lot more time maxed at 100%.

I'm now a kubuntu user and I am loving it!

How true is this??

 

[Martin]

Emerge, basically merges configure/make/make install...

And portage is? the equivelant of apt-get and yum??

yep, emerge uses "build recipes" to build packages. So instead of distributing binaries, they just distribute build scripts.

yep

 

[Martin]

In the article Vlakto posted, one of the replies was this:



How true is this??

That's actually bs, cause there's noone forcing you to upgrade all the time. You can just as well not upgrade if you want, just like on ubuntu.

Besides, there is no way major upgrades come that close together. And finally a new version of glibc does _not_ require a full system recompile, you just install the new glibc, that's it.

 

[Rami]

That's actually bs, cause there's noone forcing you to upgrade all the time. You can just as well not upgrade if you want, just like on ubuntu.

Besides, there is no way major upgrades come that close together. And finally a new version of glibc does _not_ require a full system recompile, you just install the new glibc, that's it.

I am still having problems with installing XP...Can't imagine how Gentoo will be


Windows setup cannot detect ANY hard-drives!!?? while Ubuntu regularly boots when I remove the XP CD...any ideas??

 

[Martin]

I am still having problems with installing XP...Can't imagine how Gentoo will be


Windows setup cannot detect ANY hard-drives!!?? while Ubuntu regularly boots when I remove the XP CD...any ideas??

Sounds like someone has SATA drives...

 

[V]

Windows setup cannot detect ANY hard-drives!!?? while Ubuntu regularly boots when I remove the XP CD...any ideas??

??? wtf? burn that xp cd. is that the genuine that booted? also how many drives you got? maybe your slave/master settings are screwed up.

 

[Rami]

Sounds like someone has SATA drives...

I am really not a hardware expert, SATA, slave, ide are all names to me....but the PC is only 4 month old so perhaps its SATA (since I hear its new).

??? wtf? burn that xp cd. is that the genuine that booted? also how many drives you got? maybe your slave/master settings are screwe

I found the genuine, but it rendered an error also, when I goolged, some suggested that because the CD is old and isn't SP2 (it wasn't SP1 either)....

So I decided to get an SP2 (bootlegged)....it booted and got a step further than the original CD, but now there are no drives detected....

Could it be I burnt MBR? how could I know? and how do i retrieve it?

 

[V]

I am really not a hardware expert, SATA, slave, ide are all names to me....but the PC is only 4 month old so perhaps its SATA (since I hear its new).




I found the genuine, but it rendered an error also, when I goolged, some suggested that because the CD is old and isn't SP2 (it wasn't SP1 either)....

So I decided to get an SP2 (bootlegged)....it booted and got a step further than the original CD, but now there are no drives detected....

Could it be I burnt MBR? how could I know? and how do i retrieve it?

sata
ide

personally i have no problems with sata drives, i prefer 'em over ide ones. better cables if anything.

i don't think mbr has anything to do with the installation not detecting a hard drive. my best bet is that your jumpers, if you have a ide drive, are not set up accordingly, meaning wrong slave/master settings. check if you have a ide drive.

 

[Rami]

sata
ide

personally i have no problems with sata drives, i prefer 'em over ide ones. better cables if anything.

i don't think mbr has anything to do with the installation not detecting a hard drive. my best bet is that your jumpers, if you have a ide drive, are not set up accordingly, meaning wrong slave/master settings. check if you have a ide drive.

But Ubuntu is working fine...if there is anything wrong with the cables, ubuntu wouldn't have booted? am i right?

Check your PM....

 

[mikhail]

I am really not a hardware expert, SATA, slave, ide are all names to me....but the PC is only 4 month old so perhaps its SATA (since I hear its new).

I had a problem with them too (with XP as well, Ubuntu had no problems :smile:). You just have to make a driver disk using a CD that came with the computer. I think XP's installer suggests it at some point during the install.

 

[Geof]

I use Windows. Cause I don´t have a Mac, and I dont know shit about Linux.