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He is pathetic, not only he can't defend but he is stupid as well, what the fuck does he think when he tries these things, and the worst of all is that he keeps doing them. He never learns.
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Licht was so mad at him 
Bench him for life.
Bench him for life.
Let's not exaggerate. I don't think he's that bad defender, he's a liability, yes. Maybe he wouldn't be as much in a 4-man defense. Either way, he had pretty solid perfomances throughout last season and that was a big step up from 11/12. Unless we can pay big bucks for someone like Thiago Silva, i don't see how Ogbonna is a better choice for a central CB position.
You're saying he's not that bad a defender, and then going on to call him a liability. Which is it? A good/decent defender is not a liability IMO. Anyway, Bonnucci's primary ability, which is his comparative comfort on the ball to Chiellini or Barzagli is not enough to be a mainstay here. It's a worrying sign with an aging Barzagli and older Chiellini we are going to need a more stabilizing factor in defense. Ogbonna will grow into that role for sure, in the long run. Immediately though, we could start by looking at Vidic to take over, since he is more than capable when it comes to the basics.
That is his biggest undoing. He's not only a bad defender. He is also daft. Never learns from his mistakes. Enough of him. Need to ship him out over the summer.
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Licht? They didn't show the bench at the time did they? Share a gif. Imagine if Licht was on the field.
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Licht? They didn't show the bench at the time did they? Share a gif. Imagine if Licht was on the field.
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It's obvious. He's more exposed in a 4 man backline but tbh in 352 he'll be the one to blame like 80% of the time because he either loses the ball or fucks up his cover.
Yes, both. A good defender who has his crappy moments just like David Luiz. Who also has his great and/or epic moments. So yes, a good defender nonetheless. Even a top top defender can be a liability at times, but those are very rare. Big difference between being just a good and a great player. He's just good.
Vidic? D'You know how old he is? I'd rather invest in someone a little younger who could give us another 3 to 5 years. Ogbonna can only learn that role if Conte plays him enough and he won't so it's a pointless discussion tbh. Unless Bonucci gets injured, Conte will stand by him.
Vidic? D'You know how old he is? I'd rather invest in someone a little younger who could give us another 3 to 5 years. Ogbonna can only learn that role if Conte plays him enough and he won't so it's a pointless discussion tbh. Unless Bonucci gets injured, Conte will stand by him.
Yeah, the way Bonucci is static looks bad, but I think it would have taken a great bit of defending to read the danger and get moving early enough to close down Gervinho when Gervinho had run from deep and timed it very well.
The weak challenge Bonucci put in on the halfway line was, to me, a far bigger error than failing to defend the cross.
I think some of the praise for Pjanic is being over-done.
He came on at a point when the game was naturally starting to open up, so there was the chance for him to influence things. Now he did well to take advantage of the space, but he didn't cause the space to open up, which is what changed the game.
Had Pjanic started the game - or even come on at halftime - I think he would have been pretty ineffective right up until the same point in the match that he started to influence things having come off the bench when he did.
The weak challenge Bonucci put in on the halfway line was, to me, a far bigger error than failing to defend the cross.
I think some of the praise for Pjanic is being over-done.
He came on at a point when the game was naturally starting to open up, so there was the chance for him to influence things. Now he did well to take advantage of the space, but he didn't cause the space to open up, which is what changed the game.
Had Pjanic started the game - or even come on at halftime - I think he would have been pretty ineffective right up until the same point in the match that he started to influence things having come off the bench when he did.
It really depends on what you attribute to good/great defending. For me it's awareness and positioning. I would always take a defender like Chiellini over a Bonnucci in my team every day of the week, and twice on Sunday's, even though the former has got comparatively poorer ball control and passing ability. But his awareness and positioning adds greater value.
Like I said, Vidic for right now, while we see Ogbonna (that someone younger) grow into the role. If you think Vidic is old, then you're going to have to start worrying about Barzagli cos they're the same age. Both can cut it for another couple of years IMO. And experience never hurts.
Like I said, Vidic for right now, while we see Ogbonna (that someone younger) grow into the role. If you think Vidic is old, then you're going to have to start worrying about Barzagli cos they're the same age. Both can cut it for another couple of years IMO. And experience never hurts.
Exactly my point. He'd have to be much better than he can actually be to stop that goal from happening. Still, a defensive mistake i'm afraid.
I think he's a pretty inteligent playmaker and could have found a way to break that bus defence in the first half. But we're in the assumptions territory here.
My praising is not only for this match but for every time i saw him play. IIRC there were 3 or 4 times i saw him coming out of the bench and simply change the game. One could say the circumstances allowed him to do it but i remember matches where Inzaghi would do nothing but wait for the ball and when the chance came, he took it marvelously.
It's all about what you do with what's given to you. He deserves some praising for the season he's having.
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I would take many other defenders over Bonucci but that's not the point. Overall he's a decent grinta player with a somewhat good passing/awareness.
Yes, they're both the same age. Big difference is we already have Barzagli, we didn't buy him when he was at this age. Buying someone like Lucio who was also old for a 4th, 5th defender is one thing, buying someone that old to replace Bonucci is another.
I think he's a pretty inteligent playmaker and could have found a way to break that bus defence in the first half. But we're in the assumptions territory here.
My praising is not only for this match but for every time i saw him play. IIRC there were 3 or 4 times i saw him coming out of the bench and simply change the game. One could say the circumstances allowed him to do it but i remember matches where Inzaghi would do nothing but wait for the ball and when the chance came, he took it marvelously.
It's all about what you do with what's given to you. He deserves some praising for the season he's having.
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I would take many other defenders over Bonucci but that's not the point. Overall he's a decent grinta player with a somewhat good passing/awareness.
Yes, they're both the same age. Big difference is we already have Barzagli, we didn't buy him when he was at this age. Buying someone like Lucio who was also old for a 4th, 5th defender is one thing, buying someone that old to replace Bonucci is another.