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Nzoric

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Jan 16, 2011
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I criticised Chie and Buffon at their bad times as i have praised them at good times.
But overall they are great players who more often offer positive performances and help our team.
When someone hurts our team with his performances, it is normal to be critized for bad performances more often, as such bad performance happen more often!
And for the same reason he is considered a harmful player, as he does more bad than good.

IMO and i ve explained why, Bonucci was not improved as much as some ppl want to present.
Its their opinion to believe that he has reached top class, mine to believe otherwise, so we can exchange views and arguments on the appropriate thread.
As they have the right to repeat their views, so do i.
And further explain and validate them, i also provide arguments, new arguments every time we get to see new evidence.
And if the performance changes, so does my estimation of it, i dont hold grudges, there is no reason for that.
I only want whats best for Juve, if a players performs he is not an issue, prime example Pepe, i never rated him, i criticized him when he was bad, but when he was good for Juve, i had to praise him. As long as it works for the best of Juve, i have no issue. The rest are just BS and excuses my haters are trying to put in my mouth.

When a player does bad and then performs well, does he contradicts himself??
Bonucci overall, imo, is not ready yet at Barza and Chiee level. IMO, if we search in the market for a non Italian CB of this quality, we can find an affordable piece, keep Bonucci as back and as he grows up and matures, he will be ready to be a starter.
Its that simple, all i ever asked for was the Lucio we finally got now.
If a Lucio was with us last year and this one, we would have more and better option and would avoid a great chunk of immature mistakes.

Ending this year, imo, it has to be noted, that for the biggest part of it Bonucci has shown that he still is not a top class CB, he still is a liability, he has improved a bit, but overall and for the greater part of the season he was a liability!
He also imo took far too much undeserved credit for the work of others.
Thats just my opinion and its not the first time this happened with Bonucci, or Molinaro, or any other of our weaklings.
There are also some double standards because of his nationality, that get in the way of proper and objective evaluation, this can be prooved really dangerous, as Molinaro has demonstrated, as the tolerance for the lapses and misperformances of an Italian defender are a bit too easily overlooked and our teams suffers for a longer time.
I really am confident that Bonucci will earn with his performances my (and his doubters) trust and aproval to wear our (and the NT) starters jersey.
But in the past two seasons, IMO, he wasnt! There is nothing contradictory if you think from the perspective for the good of Juve.
We should have a Juve material starter until Bonucci comes of age, that was not his fault, one day he will come of age and he will offer good performances, its I do not understand why we cannot criticize him for his mistakes, as long as he harms our interest though...
Neither why should praise him, for his future, possible contribution and overrating him.
His season may have improved, but overall, he had more bad performances than the good ones and thats the second consecutive season.
Whats the point at praising such a player like that and attack the one who rightfully criticise him?




He wasnt, there were always ppl praising him!
The guy has improved, but overall he had more bad perfprmances that good ones, how does this makes it a good season?
And what is the actual proof of improovement, apart from that goal and his boosted morale and confidence, his concentration lapses, faulty positioning, lousy man marking and inability to perform a sliding tackle did not improve!
Just because he is more confident from the strength of the team and trust of coach, it does not mean that he has improved technically.
And just because our midfield dominated most of the teams and allowed little to none dangers to threaten our defense, it does not means that Bonucci's effectiveness was improved. To claim such a thing, we should see him stopping his man more oftenly and actively showing that improvement.
Unfortunately, as we have shown in the final, without the midfield umbrella and morale/trust boosts, he didnt improve that much...

At least thats my opinion and that what i am trying to discuss around here.
Not about me and about the ones who believe that he has turned into the next Nesta, but about Bonucci.
I have seen too little to none arguments about his technical improvements, the only points made was about his confidence and the overall effectiveness of our defensive records in collective statistics.

So thats what i criticized, not the posters...


And i not Lion and his attitude, but at least that remotely funny...


Tell you what, i will for a week, only if you put me in your ignore list, stop quating and refer to me ever again!
Deal?

Wasnt i right to criticize Molinaro, wasnt he a weakling, completely clueless player, who was acting our team?
Didnt history proved me right on that?
Is this why you hate me?
 

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Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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see you fools? history has proven cronios right once again.

now please accept that he knew what he was talking about when he said bonucci is bad.
 
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Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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    Bonucci was always an average player. Last season he made many mistakes which people seem to forget quickly.

    Last season he was the weakest link and he still is.
     
    Jan 22, 2009
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    It is not about Bonucci not being mistake prone, we all know that! Personally for me it was all about his comment that FIGS intentionally removed his ban, cause they know they will hurt us by this! That was high class trolling!
     
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    Dostoevsky

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    Let the knee jerkers in. You fucking hypocrites.
    It's not keen jerking. You obviously forgot his last season, try to dig and read some comment, he was rather weak in majority of the season.

    He did improve, but he was never great to begin with.
     

    Klin

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    May 27, 2009
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    It's not keen jerking. You obviously forgot his last season, try to dig and read some comment, he was rather weak in majority of the season.

    He did improve, but he was never great to begin with.
    It is knee jerking, especially when claiming that he's always been an average player. I wish our average players played like him. And stop stating that people are trying to make him great.
     

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