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[Osman]

Just googled the messi celebration. People are too sensitive nowadays. I remember enjoying Maresca's celebration against Torino.

Yeah, but these posters would complained about Messi regardless, most of the time they call him emotionless robot when he scores, has no passion and goes through motions etc. Now he scores a last second winner away at your biggiest enemy rival (not only that, is might be a historic clasico, being rare one that directly possibly decides the league race), and he shows a simple gesture showing them who's boss (if this is not the best time to do it, when is lol) with match jersey, and gets called disgusting lol. This is whats rivalry about, he is generally very quiet guy, rarely says anything off the pitch even when it comes to Real, so one cool stfu gesture says alot with him (compared to Pique who needs LIFE TIME BAN FROM ALL SOCIAL MEDIA AND FORCED SILENZIO STAMPA ).


Btw oddly enough, I know many Madridrista, and not one of them complained about that celebration, but Tuz does

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If Ronaldo had done this we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Ronaldo did the cocky calma this is my house gesture after scoring in Camp nou few years ago, and wasnt critized for it, if anything celebrated for his banter type of celebration.

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No, it didn't. It was childish, uncalled for and would get any other player banned for three weeks.

Wait just saw this, you are serious?

 

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[Seven]

Ronaldo did the cocky calma this is my house gesture after scoring in Camp nou few years ago, and wasnt critized for it, if anything celebrated for his banter type of celebration.

There is a big difference between a two second celebration like Ronaldo's and the way Messi is standing there taunting the fans. And what makes it even more ridiculous is that he does this instead of just being happy he got the winner.

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Wait just saw this, you are serious?

Well, let's see, of the top of my head I see this similar case:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ed-two-match-ban-for-Arsenal-celebration.html

Suspended two match ban though.

 

[Osman]

There is a big difference between a two second celebration like Ronaldo's and the way Messi is standing there taunting the fans. And what makes it even more ridiculous is that he does this instead of just being happy he got the winner.

As I said, you would litterally find anything to critize him for regardless of how he celebrated or did not.


Ronaldo's celebration was more expressively procovative since he is directly addressing the home Barca fans, and there is nothing wrong with that. But you say someone holding up his teams shirt in last second goal, celebrating the occasion of his 500th goal to boot, is worse and deserves 3 weeks ban lol.


I'm glad Belgium lawyers arent in charge of football for sure.

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Well, let's see, of the top of my head I see this similar case:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ed-two-match-ban-for-Arsenal-celebration.html

Suspended two match ban though.

EPL authorities are oversensitive nancies (they give 3 match suspensions for regular red card...even if its two yellow card soft tactical fouls...), but Adebayor was big enough clown due to the fact he CELEBRATED THAT GOAL FOR LIKE 2 minutes Not only that, he ran from one side of the pitch, to the complete opposite, JUST to goad the Arsenal fans (who admittedly deserved it for the elephant chants all game lol). And the goal celebration was not the only antagonistic scene from him and Arsenal fans in that game. Was kinda heated silly stuff in general with Clattenburg warning him to not provoke the sitaution further etc.

 

[Seven]

As I said, you would litterally find anything to critize him for regardless of how he celebrated or did not.


Ronaldo's celebration was more expressively procovative since he is directly addressing the home Barca fans, and there is nothing wrong with that. But you say someone holding up his teams shirt in last second goal, celebrating the occasion of his 500th goal to boot, is worse and deserves 3 weeks ban lol.


I'm glad Belgium lawyers arent in charge of football for sure.

Wait what? You are aware that last night's game took place at Bernabeu, right?

As for your last comment, that's not only uncalled for, it's also insanely stupid . There's pretty much one case that is incredibly significant for the football world and it's the Bosman case, involving a Belgian lawyer changing the way the entire transfer system works

 

[j0ker]

Comparing it with Adebayor.

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[Osman]

Bosman had more sense then you then, because your idea of banning someone 3 weeks for celebrating a goal vs rivals by holding up his teams shirt is beyond ludicrous.



And with Ronaldo, I meant he was verbally talking to cules /gesturing to them this is my house lol etc. Both cases just rival banter celebration, but former was more direct in expression. Messi got yellow card for his celebration even. But only valid way to stop celebration like that is only just one way, dont let them score on you, especially score great goals on you to decide the game/the league race.

 

[Seven]

As I said, you would litterally find anything to critize him for regardless of how he celebrated or did not.

Btw I think you're mistaking me for someone else here. I don't like Messi at all, but I'm one of the few people who defended him during the entire Copa America debacle. And to be honest apart from the fact I think he mostly comes across as a non-person and has recently started asking for cards a bit too much, I have pretty much never criticised Messi.

EPL authorities are oversensitive nancies (they give 3 match suspensions for regular red card...even if its two yellow card soft tactical fouls...), but Adebayor was big enough clown due to the fact he CELEBRATED THAT GOAL FOR LIKE 2 minutes Not only that, he ran from one side of the pitch, to the complete opposite, JUST to goad the Arsenal fans (who admittedly deserved it for the elephant chants all game lol). And the goal celebration was not the only antagonistic scene from him and Arsenal fans in that game. Was kinda heated silly stuff in general with Clattenburg warning him to not provoke the sitaution further etc.

Yes, you're right. Time matters during a celebration. It's odd that you argue this now, because just a few lines above I told you that Ronaldo's celebration was different, because it was much shorter. You can't pick and choose arguments like that.

Do I believe Messi - or any other player - should be banned over this? Well, it depends. Some people make the argument that by doing so they endanger the crowd. But I've never seen a crowd erupt in violence just because of a celebration. So imo, no, he should not be banned. It's still quite distasteful. And especially because it cries out that you're a bitter little man, when you have so much to actually celebrate at that particular point.

I mean come on. Barca's all time top scorer, winner of several golden balls, winner of several champions league finals.. Wtf is he acting like that for?

 

[Ocelot]

Criticizing Messi for this is insanely petty

 

[Seven]

Comparing it with Adebayor.

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It's the same thing. No difference whatsoever. Adebayor was funnier though. And at least he could make the argument it was in the heat of passion.

Bosman had more sense then you then, because your idea of banning someone 3 weeks for celebrating a goal vs rivals by holding up his teams shirt is beyond ludicrous.

Bosman was a player. Jeez, Os. As far as legal stuff goes you're oblivious to what happens in the footballing world .

I didn't say Messi should be banned, I said other players would.

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Criticizing Messi for this is insanely petty

Well, no. Because it's petty behaviour from a man who doesn't need to be petty. If Ronaldo does something similar, the world ends. With Messi it's somehow okay.

 

[Osman]

On scale 1 to 10 Seven, how bored are you?


You said nothing about time with Ronaldo, its nothing to different to Messis. Adebayors one is valid because as I said, HE OVER CELEBRATED BY HUGE MARGIN. He ran like 80-90 meters JUST to provoke /goad Arsenal fans, he had to be pulled away by his OWN teammate. Not only that, you say you never seen a crowd erupt due to celebration like that, well in that game, and that instance, the usually calm EPL crowd and Arsenal fans went absolutely ballistic due to that clowns celebration lol, stewards had to hold them back.



Also, as said it was not only thing that happend in that game lol, the mans whos mums washes elephants was out to settle a score lol

 

[Seven]

On scale 1 to 10 Seven, how bored are you?


You said nothing about time with Ronaldo, its nothing to different to Messis. Adebayors one is valid because as I said, HE OVER CELEBRATED BY HUGE MARGIN. He ran like 80-90 meters JUST to provoke /goad Arsenal fans, he had to be pulled away by his OWN teammate. Not only that, you say you never seen a crowd erupt due to celebration like that, well in that game, and that instance, the usually calm EPL crowd and Arsenal fans went absolutely ballistic due to that clowns celebration lol, stewards had to hold them back.

Erupt in violence. The argument often made for banning players for such celebrations is that they jeopardize fan safety. I'm not sure about that.

I just find it remarkable that people think Messi's celebration is any less provocative than Adebayor or Ronaldo. The man is literally holding up his own jersey at Bernabeu, to rub it in their faces. I don't understand why this is not considered provocative. I bet if you asked Messi he'd even tell you that was the entire point.

 

[Osman]

Bosman was a player. Jeez, Os. As far as legal stuff goes you're oblivious to what happens in the footballing world .

I didn't say Messi should be banned, I said other players would.

I know what he was a player, what does that have to do with anything? If anything you are being beyond oblivious with this, not to mention petty as fvck despite accusing Messi for it (and I didnt say you hate him, but you litterally just criticised him for showing no emotion previously, and when he emotionally celebrates vs a rival by gesturing who owns them lol, its still wrong, bizzare).



And, no another player would not be banned 3 weeks for that simple celebration, give it a rest already.

 

[j0ker]

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I just find it remarkable that people think Messi's celebration is any less provocative than Adebayor or Ronaldo.

I don't even..



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[Elvin]

That celebration is the coolest thing Messi has done in his entire career.

 

[Seven]

I know what he was a player, what does that have to do with anything? If anything you are being beyond oblivious with this, not to mention petty as fvck despite accusing Messi for it (and I didnt say you hate him, but you litterally just criticised him for showing no emotion previously, and when he emotionally celebrates vs a rival by gesturing who owns them lol, its still wrong, bizzare).

And, no another player would not be banned 3 weeks for that simple celebration, give it a rest already.

You said we're lucky Belgian lawyers aren't in charge in football, when the single case that pretty much changed all of it was handled by a Belgian lawyer. That's a weird ass comment to make. I know it was aimed at me personally, but it just showed ignorance.

As for Messi showing emotion. I don't know. Look at his celebration. Is he showing much emotion? Do you see someone who's thrilled that he just scored a last minute winner for his team? I sure as fuck don't.

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I don't even..



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How is it not meant as provocation? Seriously.

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That celebration is the coolest thing Messi has done in his entire career.

It's cool in the way Adebayor running to the Arsenal fans is cool. I'm glad stuff like that happens, but it's still petty.

 

[Osman]

Erupt in violence. The argument often made for banning players for such celebrations is that they jeopardize fan safety. I'm not sure about that.

I just find it remarkable that people think Messi's celebration is any less provocative than Adebayor or Ronaldo. The man is literally holding up his own jersey at Bernabeu, to rub it in their faces. I don't understand why this is not considered provocative. I bet if you asked Messi he'd even tell you that was the entire point.

It is provocative, banter is supposed to be light provocation, but not to the point of banning you for 3 weeks fffs get a grip, and thats what you argued is the proper punishment for it (instead of the yellow card he got). And its not any less provocative then Ronaldo in act itself, but meant to say Ronaldo was more verbal and direct in his banter/provocating gesture then Messi was, but you had no issue with what Ronaldo did.


And ffs Adebayor RAN THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE PITCH TO GOAD/ANTAGONISE, give it a rest comparing it to this.


The Arsenal fans went ballistic, they were throwing everything they could at him and pushing themselves down to get close in that stand. His teammate had to drag him away, thats how long he dragged that shit out. So yeah its defenitely a distinct difference lol. And it wasnt because Arsenal are bigger rivals to City then el classico teams are to each other, but because Adebayor went out of his way to to get up in his face. While Messi holding up of shirt just had the usual reaction of depressed Madridrista who were resigned to being put out by a great player in last second, no muss no fuss.

 

[Elvin]

You could say Del Piero's tongue celebration at San Siro was also provocative...
well of course it kinda was, but that's the fun of it.

 

[Seven]

And ffs Adebayor RAN THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE PITCH TO GOAD/ANTAGONISE, give it a rest comparing it to this.

I guess this is where we differ. I just don't see a difference at all. Adebayor taunted the Arsenal fans by ranning the entire pitch to celebrate in front of them. Messi taunted the Madrid fans by holding up his jersey in front of them.

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You could say Del Piero's tongue celebration at San Siro was also provocative...
well of course it kinda was, but that's the fun of it.

I don't mind the provocation (especially as I only support Juventus anyway), but it's just weird that it's classless or disgusting whenever other players do it, but people love it when Messi has a go at it.

 

[Osman]

It's cool in the way Adebayor running to the Arsenal fans is cool. I'm glad stuff like that happens, but it's still petty.

Ok I know it happend 8 years ago, but its beyond retarded you keep harping on this despite explaining in words the vast differences (he was getting abused, some racial, and decided for overkill taunting lol, arse fans deserved it IMO).



Here, to jug your memory:

 

[Seven]

Ok I know it happend 8 years ago, but its beyond retarded you keep harping on this despite explaining in words the vast differences (he was getting abused, some racial, and decided for overkill taunting lol, arse fans deserved it IMO).



Here, to jug your memory:

Yes, I know what he did, thank you. Which is why I used him as an example.