Keep Pippo out !!!!!!! (7 Viewers)

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++


I think your showing more black and red than anything else. Id have really liked to seen your views had Pippo still been a Juve striker. hmmm...

Really and where am i showing that? Was it a few posts back saying that I would lock Pippo in Milan if it meant DP would score goals for Italy? Or was it where I said in another thread that an inform DP is the most lethal weapon for Italy? I really would like to know where in my posts this comes out of.

Bottom line is that you will never know how we feel as much as you say you cheer Italy on. Juve, Milan, Rome Lazio is irrelevant. In the Italy-Mexico match I was watching the match in a caffe in Rome and the Romanista's were yelling to put in DP....Laziali's were cheering and applauding Totti. This happens because its your country. Saying such and such a player has no place on the team after he scores 5 goals in the qualfying and is one of the top scorers on the NT means there are ulterior motives. I'm sure the likes of Sergio (who already mentioned this) and Vinman now what I mean. i.e. Italy first...

 

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[KB824]

Country over Club.

Nationality/Ethnicity over club affiliation

It's that simple.

I will take 1 European championship or World Cup over 5 champions league trophies any day of the week.

Inzaghi has done NOTHING to not warrant a call up to the Italian squad for Euro 2004. Regardless of how "simple" these goals were, or how hard the midfielders had to work to get him in that situation, the fact of the matter is, Pippo capitalized on those opportunities, others, such as Vieri, did not. Yet, we don't see a thread saying "Keep Bobo Out!!!" though, do we.

I'm one of the biggest Juve fans you'll find here in the States, but they have never made me cry tears of joy (WC 82, Paolo Rossi) or tears of anguish (94WC, Baggio misssing the PK, WC98, Di Biagio hitting the crossbar on the PK, Euro2000 disaster. ****in Trezeguet) like the National team has.

I could never hate Vieri, Inzaghi, Gattuso, Totti et al.........for the simple fact that they are part of the NT. Sure, when they play Juve, I wish them ill fortune, but I know that they are essential pieces to the National Squad, and Juve prejudice aside, realize that they must be there for the team to succeed.

Incubo, you forgot a color, Azzure!!! I could never support you on your Pro-Milan rants, but you have my support 100% on the topic of the National team.

Keep Pippo in until he proves that he no longer warrants a place.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

(One tune comes into my head)

Fratelli d'Italia......l'Italia s'è desta......

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by USA Juventini ] ++
Country over Club.

Nationality/Ethnicity over club affiliation

It's that simple.

I will take 1 European championship or World Cup over 5 champions league trophies any day of the week.

Inzaghi has done NOTHING to not warrant a call up to the Italian squad for Euro 2004. Regardless of how "simple" these goals were, or how hard the midfielders had to work to get him in that situation, the fact of the matter is, Pippo capitalized on those opportunities, others, such as Vieri, did not. Yet, we don't see a thread saying "Keep Bobo Out!!!" though, do we.

I'm one of the biggest Juve fans you'll find here in the States, but they have never made me cry tears of joy (WC 82, Paolo Rossi) or tears of anguish (94WC, Baggio misssing the PK, WC98, Di Biagio hitting the crossbar on the PK, Euro2000 disaster. ****in Trezeguet) like the National team has.

I could never hate Vieri, Inzaghi, Gattuso, Totti et al.........for the simple fact that they are part of the NT. Sure, when they play Juve, I wish them ill fortune, but I know that they are essential pieces to the National Squad, and Juve prejudice aside, realize that they must be there for the team to succeed.

Incubo, you forgot a color, Azzure!!! I could never support you on your Pro-Milan rants, but you have my support 100% on the topic of the National team.

Keep Pippo in until he proves that he no longer warrants a place.

Well Said :thumb:

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Really and where am i showing that? Was it a few posts back saying that I would lock Pippo in Milan if it meant DP would score goals for Italy? Or was it where I said in another thread that an inform DP is the most lethal weapon for Italy? I really would like to know where in my posts this comes out of.

Bottom line is that you will never know how we feel as much as you say you cheer Italy on. Juve, Milan, Rome Lazio is irrelevant. In the Italy-Mexico match I was watching the match in a caffe in Rome and the Romanista's were yelling to put in DP....Laziali's were cheering and applauding Totti. This happens because its your country. Saying such and such a player has no place on the team after he scores 5 goals in the qualfying and is one of the top scorers on the NT means there are ulterior motives. I'm sure the likes of Sergio (who already mentioned this) and Vinman now what I mean. i.e. Italy first...

The Italian NT is the reason i started watching Serie A. And the eventual reason i chose Juve as my club. I think its wrong to believe that only an Italians' views are as right as they can get on the Azzuri. What about fans like me? I may not be Italian, but coming from India, dont have much hope with our football team becoz all the money ever made goes in to our world beating cricket side. What about all the support Ive shown to the Azzuri since i started watching world cup football in 1990? What about my Italian team jerseys from Usa 94, France 98 , Euro 2000 and World cup 2002. What about all the anguish i felt when the 2002 team was being drafted and Baggio was excluded! Dude however funny it may sound, ive probably cried as much as u if not more, everytime Italy has been knocked out of a major tournament since 1990. So really, i think im probably as enthusiastic or anguished as you are. Even though i may not be Italian. And it is that feeling that makes me emote the fact that I'd rather Italy leave nothing to chance this time around, because its high time they win something. And if that according to me, means drpping an inflexible Pippo Inzaghi, then so be it. I wouldve said the same thing had he still been playing for Juve. Why? Because like you say, the Azzuri come first.

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++


The Italian NT is the reason i started watching Serie A. And the eventual reason i chose Juve as my club. I think its wrong to believe that only an Italians' views are as right as they can get on the Azzuri. What about fans like me? I may not be Italian, but coming from India, dont have much hope with our football team becoz all the money ever made goes in to our world beating cricket side. What about all the support Ive shown to the Azzuri since i started watching world cup football in 1990? What about my Italian team jerseys from Usa 94, France 98 , Euro 2000 and World cup 2002. What about all the anguish i felt when the 2002 team was being drafted and Baggio was excluded! Dude however funny it may sound, ive probably cried as much as u if not more, everytime Italy has been knocked out of a major tournament since 1990. So really, i think im probably as enthusiastic or anguished as you are. Even though i may not be Italian. And it is that feeling that makes me emote the fact that I'd rather Italy leave nothing to chance this time around, because its high time they win something. And if that according to me, means drpping an inflexible Pippo Inzaghi, then so be it. I wouldve said the same thing had he still been playing for Juve. Why? Because like you say, the Azzuri come first.

good point too baggio

 

[sallyinzaghi]

hey! even though Im not Italian I see the tricolore too you know! :fero: (I know I know, only Italians understand this but just for the record when it comes to the Italian NT I dont care bout club status)

Incubo : Fratelli d'italia, l'italia s'desta, ...IIRC it means Italian brothers Italy has awaken right?

 

[sallyinzaghi]

baggio, why would you do not want to start Pippo when he practically saved our arses ? What has Vieri done for the Azzurri recently ? And don't tell me the formation which Trap used with Pippo Inzaghi as striker didn't work, it worked perfectly well ...

 

[baggio]

Sally, Bobo brings a greater dimension with his game. Whateevr system we use, he fits in to. He may not have scored off late. But all said and done, he always counts for in big tournaments. He's always stepped up to the plate. Even if he's the lone striker, we've got equally capable guys in Dp and Totti playing behind who can concentrate on getting the ball forward and scoring. We dont need Pippo, becoz the 2 guys playing behind him are wasted in making it as easy as poss for pippo becoz he cant do nething on his own. Vieri on the other hand does a lot more work and is burly and useful in most situations brings much greater flexibility. All said and done, I neway feel Trap is going to be using Vieri ahead of Pippo for the same reason.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

When a player scores 95% of your goals (as of recently), plays for one of the top clubs in the nation and Europe AND is up there in the all time scoring leader for the NT and then you call for him to not even make the trip: then how could you possibly be thinking about Italy's best interests??..your not thinking about ITALIA...as much as you want to believe you are. The hatred for Pippo comes before all else. That is very obvious. Fact of the matter is that I would bring ANYONE and ANYBODY who gets the job done. In Italy there are not black or whites or reds.
I don't doubt you cheer for Italy and are a staunch supporter. And you getting more upset than an "incubo" or a "Sergio" or a "Vinman" watching the game: as much as you will think the loss hit you like a ton of bricks it all equates/links to being a fan. One is a fan of Juve, Milan or Roma just like they are a fan of Italy. You don't like a player: OUT. You don't like his attitude OUT. The National Team is sacred ground. For the "others" the link to the NT equates to origin, motherland and much much more.
I don't doubt you cheer for Italy. But with comments like these it only leads to one conclusion (see my other posts).

 

[sallyinzaghi]

hmmmmm, i'll think about this
but I think the formation where totti plays behind pippo and dp works better than vieri as lone striker, though. vieri as lone striker is too.. optionless. i mean, think bout it, you go to euro 2004 and you rely only on one striker to score goals? thats a bit out the window isnt it? besides vieri does not confuse opponent's defenders like pippo does..

but my thoughts aside, good post baggio.

 

[baggio]

That's where your missing the point Incubo. You say the NT is sacred ground and how only Italians see that. Well, what happened when Baggio wasnt picked for the team in 2002? Everyone wanted him especially after his comeback in the Brescia game where he scored 2 on return. But what do you put that down to? Love for the player or love for the team? Frankly no matter how much i love the guy he wouldnt have warranted a starting slot in that team, but you, me and every single Italian wanted him in the team at the time. Its the same for Pippo. I'm sure he will eventually make the trip to euro 2004, but putting all my hatred aside. I feel Vieri is a much more capable striker than Pippo in every aspect of the game. And i feel its for the good of Italy if Vieri starts. I'm a staunch Italy/Juve supporter, but Vieri plays for Inter and has even dissed Juve in the past with nasty comments....but hey, I'd still like to see him start over a Miccoli or DiVaio for that matter.

PS: You say Italy losses hit me as bad as you guys. Infact for fans like me its even worse. Why? Because I dont have my fellow tifosi with me to cheer MY Italia on or to cry with them in defeat instead of which i end up not talking to ne1 for days on end. My country's adopted football team is BRAZIL for crying out loud.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
That's where your missing the point Incubo. You say the NT is sacred ground and how only Italians see that. Well, what happened when Baggio wasnt picked for the team in 2002? Everyone wanted him especially after his comeback in the Brescia game where he scored 2 on return. But what do you put that down to? Love for the player or love for the team? Frankly no matter how much i love the guy he wouldnt have warranted a starting slot in that team, but you, me and every single Italian wanted him in the team at the time. Its the same for Pippo. I'm sure he will eventually make the trip to euro 2004, but putting all my hatred aside. I feel Vieri is a much more capable striker than Pippo in every aspect of the game. And i feel its for the good of Italy if Vieri starts. I'm a staunch Italy/Juve supporter, but Vieri plays for Inter and has even dissed Juve in the past with nasty comments....but hey, I'd still like to see him start over a Miccoli or DiVaio for that matter.

PS: You say Italy losses hit me as bad as you guys. Infact for fans like me its even worse. Why? Because I dont have my fellow tifosi with me to cheer MY Italia on or to cry with them in defeat instead of which i end up not talking to ne1 for days on end. My country's adopted football team is BRAZIL for crying out loud.

I agree that Vieri should start..and always BUT the way things have developed as of recent with Vieri and his lack of motivation for anything I would be much more "substitution happy" if I were Trap. Vieri is not irreplaceable on the team. Some players are..Vieri is not one of them. You simply can't leave a player like Pippo Inzaghi at home. I agree that when he is off his game he is quite useless ... but I still think he is more of a decent player than Vieri outside the box. I have seen him make some assists in the last year that was very rare for him.

 

[Vinman]

As far as I'm concerned, all bets are OFF when it comes to the Azzurri. I want the best TEAM out there, no matter who it is. It doesnt matter who it may be, as long as they are willing to give their blood for this team.

Not having too much coverage of Serie A here in the US until about 2 years ago, I Couldnt wait for the WC to see the Azzurri play. it seemed like 4 years in between couldnt come fast enough..........

I think Vieri is the best striker we have. He has proven that over the last 2 WC's, and continues to produce. Again, i dont hate Pippo, but Vieri has a little something that Pippo lacks. Call it strength, or energy...whatever. I see something in Bobo taht I dont see in Pippo.

Believe me, I thought Baggio should have played in the last WC. He is another guy who rises to the occasion of the NT. I dont hold favorites, for example, if DP was out of form come June, then leave him home !!!!!!

 

[sallyinzaghi]

certainly bobo is a good striker , no denying that. but like incubo said (who woulda thought i'd agree with a milanista? ) based on the current.. er.. issues, pippo should be given the nod.

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


I agree that Vieri should start..and always BUT the way things have developed as of recent with Vieri and his lack of motivation for anything I would be much more "substitution happy" if I were Trap. Vieri is not irreplaceable on the team. Some players are..Vieri is not one of them. You simply can't leave a player like Pippo Inzaghi at home. I agree that when he is off his game he is quite useless ... but I still think he is more of a decent player than Vieri outside the box. I have seen him make some assists in the last year that was very rare for him.

Incubo, if you refer to my very first post in this thread, ive said he will be going to portugal. im not saying dont take him. i just wudnt like him to hold an important amt of responsibility for the greater good of the team. And im sure trap knows whats going to work best neway...