Juventuz Awards 2003 (Finalists) (18 Viewers)

IncuboRossonero · Jan 9, 2004

For someone who claimed he is Italian and lives in Padova I thought I was making it easier for you...I guess you were lying.
Only hint is from Zeman? Sorry to burst your bubble Paddy but when a procurator decides to begin prosecuting individuals he has a duty to the state to rely on something lawyers call "reasonable and probable cause". Cases are not opened up merely on someone's statements. That is not how things work in criminal law. So Zeman's words are irrelevant. Evidence: material, circumstantial and testimonial is aplenty. If you think my theories are 'bird brainish' then go check the court docket at the Superior Court of Torino. I guess the general procurator of Torino is also in on it!
Fiorentina. Go google it and find out the story. I was not talking about shortcomings. Come and talk to me when you have a vague notion of what I am talking about.
About the old guy you know. Your point? I guess you can count the procurator. former players. The Italian public. Media and week after week more and more coaches as your proverbial old man.
I once knew a kid who told me defenders never won the Golden Ball. I knew a kid who told me that Van Basten was past his prime. I don't remember well...my memory as an old man is going... Was that you?!!

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

Sorry if I have insulted you, but surely you will receive a friendlier welcome at the Milan forum. You know, I have never visited a Milan forum. Perhaps that is because I am a Juve man. I have enough confrontation in my career, so I don't seek to find fans of rival clubs and wind them up with false accusations and avatars of political figures

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
For someone who claimed he is Italian and lives in Padova I thought I was making it easier for you...I guess you were lying.
Only hint is from Zeman? Sorry to burst your bubble Paddy but when a procurator decides to begin prosecuting individuals he has a duty to the state to rely on something lawyers call "reasonable and probable cause". Cases are not opened up merely on someone's statements. That is not how things work in criminal law. So Zeman's words are irrelevant. Evidence: material, circumstantial and testimonial is aplenty. If you think my theories are 'bird brainish' then go check the court docket at the Superior Court of Torino. I guess the general procurator of Torino is also in on it!
Fiorentina. Go google it and find out the story. I was not talking about shortcomings. Come and talk to me when you have a vague notion of what I am talking about.
About the old guy you know. Your point? I guess you can count the procurator. former players. The Italian public. Media and week after week more and more coaches as your proverbial old man.
I once knew a kid who told me defenders never won the Golden Ball. I knew a kid who told me that Van Basten was past his prime. I don't remember well...my memory as an old man is going... Was that you?!!

I am a criminal defense lawyer, smart guy.
And I have not lived in Padova since I was 18 months old.

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

Why would you think I made statements about defenders not winning the Golden Ball or about Marco Van Basten? I have not made those statements, and I believe those statements to be false.

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

If you have been following the doping case, as I have, then you might know why there has not been any evidence against Juve. Yes, Rafael Guarinello has put many witnesses on for questioning, but he is not getting anything he can use. Now, I admit the coverage has been scant, but I would think that if anything tangible has come out in court then it would be front page news. So far, all smoke and mirrors.

IncuboRossonero · Jan 9, 2004

No offense but if you are a criminal defense lawyer then your either doing pro bono work or only handle corporate fraud because your statements seem like someone who hasn't even opened up a criminal code let alone gone to law school. I know "a thing or two "about law (You may wish you never started this legal discussion .. anyone but me Padovano).
No coverage: Firstly I'm not in New York I am based in Rome for work. The coverage in Italy is intense. Its no surprise it doesn't make its way outside Europe because a) RAI is the nations outsource of news b) RAI is made up of Agnelli loyalists appointed since the 1970's c) the last thing they will do is smear his team's name.

No evidence against Juve? When the procurator filed charges against Juventus director Antonio Giraudo and club doctor Riccardo Agricola for breaching Italy's sporting fraud laws there had to be evidence just to file. Shouldn't you know that? Do you charge individuals based on presumptions and hearsay??!
Secondly thus far they have:
1. Memo's outlining procedures ordered by Giraurdo and Agricola.
2. The deposition of Gianluca Vialli admitting the club doctor regularly administered substances for which there was no justification.
3. Report after report of expert witness at last month's hearing showing the players' red blood cell count indicated they were using the endurance-enhancer EPO.
4. Professor Gianmartino Benzi, a pharmacologist at the University of Pavia, and his deposition at trial that Juventus had a store containing 281 medicines. With more than five being prohibited.
5. Followed by the eventual summoning of Zinedine Zidane, Angelo Peruzzi, Filippo Inzaghi, Alessandro Del Piero and Didier Deschamps.
How as a criminal defence lawyer can you make a statement like that claiming they would file charges WITHOUT having evidence? What did you expect would happen in the upcoming preliminaries? Did you think the Judge would proceed based solely on speculation and circumstantial evidence?? I'm really curious about his because you state they have no evidence yet you realize there is a trial. Have you ever heard of a tribunal or even a prosecution filing without a evidence?
QUOTE: "Yes, Rafael Guarinello has put many witnesses on for questioning, but he is not getting anything he can use."
Besides Vialli's deposition nobody has testified. So I really don't know what you mean.
"but I would think that if anything tangible has come out in court then it would be front page news. So far, all smoke and mirrors."
If you make assumptions as you do ..of course its all smoke and mirrors. Buy a copy of the Corriere della Sera if you want news.

As a defence lawyer have you ever in your "career" seen the state file without evidence? What kind of song and dance did the prosecution give the state in the preliminary? I would really like to see a case where this happened. This would surely be a textbook case for malicious prosecution to say the least.

I'm was not throwing accusations from the start I simply asked you to look at what occured. You decided to insult.
what does my avatar have to do with anything? I happen to be an American. He happens to be my President. What is the problem?

You want to continue this discussion reply in my JUVE FACT OF THE WEEK thread as I feel a ban is almost deserving if I de-rail this thread anymore.

Hydde · Jan 9, 2004

Naah, Kaliman deserved the award!.

I have enjoyed reading ur post rick and incubbo... but sadly the thread is foked now :down:

IncuboRossonero · Jan 9, 2004

Yeah I apologize for that and take MOST of the blame. However, one saracastic joke about not winning turned into the usual proverbial cyber "gangbang"..
"fok I won't be able to sit down for weeks."

Nicubo

KB824 · Jan 9, 2004

AHHHHHH.............................

Never Fear, Good Arturo

For Ricky Ricardo has returned. Babalooooo..............................

And I bring my Conga Drums of Love to spread happiness throughout the thread with my smoldering Latino Machismo.

If only my partner in Crime, FurioBianconero were here, then we can do a rousing Salsa rendition of John Lennon's "Give peace a chance"

In the meantime, all I can do is belittle my stupid wife Lucille Ball and make lewd passes at Ethel Mertz.

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

FurioBianconero has returned and he says:

Dear Incubo, Padovano is a Criminal Defense Lawyer in the USA. Your statements about the American legal system are idealistic and frankly, inaccurate. All over my State of residence, North Carolina - criminal charges are filed based solely upon the complaint of some alleged victim, i.e. my husband raped me / assualted me; my neighbor is selling drugs from his home, there are cars in and out of there all night long. Criminal charges are filed because police departments are too overburdened to perform a thorough investigation. So the local magistrate swears out arrest warrants, law enforcement serves the warrant, Defendant may or may not bond out of jail before his court date. Then I take the case to trial - but I get paid, I do not do pro bono work (sorry to disappoint). In some jurisdictions, the case can be dismissed at the first setting if there is no probable cause. In others, the District Attorney would rather try the case and lose it rather than dismiss because he does not want the local newspaper to run articles about how he dismissed a domestic violence case in May and the husband killed the wife the following August. District Attorneys are the prosecutors in this country, and they have to run for re-election.

I would also point out that I earned my doctorate in juris prudence by the age of 23, far beyond your supposed high school education you gave me credit for.

Also, in the USA, there is nearly no coverage of the doping trial, save for the internet, and that coverage is scant at best. I did hear that Roberto Baggio Fabrizio Ravanelli testified recently. Baggio said he had no information on Juventus' medical practices because he has allergies to most medications and therefore never received any from the club doctors. Ravanelli flatly denied any doping at the club and defended the honor of Juventus.

That's all I have. I am desperate for coverage of that trial, and I keep up with the Parmalat scandal as best as I can, but coverage in the USA tends to focus on events that happen in the USA and by the USA.

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

This "shop talk" is going to get the thread closed, so it's time to get the thread back to where it started:

This big gorilla walked into the Tropicana Club carrying a Carvel Cookie Puss cake. Ricky Ricardo stopped the gorilla at the door, looked at the cake and said, "Gorilla, you got some spainin' to do". So, the gorilla set the cake down on a table, pulled out his banana and tapped the bus boy on the shoulder. The bus boy turned out to be Lac, and he was carrying a large crystal punch bowl. Seeing the gorilla with banana in hand, Lac knew what was about to go down. He put up the puch bowl to protect his face, collecting all that monkey love. Just then, club patron Ruben "Hurricane" Carter ran to Lac's defense and punched the gorilla into a coma. The Hurricane was only helping Lac, but he went back to prison, falsely accused for a second time. The first time he spent 18 years in prison, but this time Dr. Zeus set him free after two weeks.

Whacka Whacka Speewww.

KB824 · Jan 9, 2004

I tried to 'splain the situation to the owner, but he wouldn't listen.

So instead, I brought out the Conga drums, Salsa band, and Lucy in a tight traditonal cuban outfit, complete with the cornucopia of fruit for a headress, and played until the wee hours of the morning. Fred and Ethel were my backup singers, and little Ricky spent the night hiding under tables and looking up all the ladies' skirts. (That's my boy!!)

The owner said "wank you", offered me some Gorilla punch, and went on his merry way.

Layce Erayce · Jan 9, 2004

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

No offense but if you are a criminal defense lawyer then your either doing pro bono work or only handle corporate fraud because your statements seem like someone who hasn't even opened up a criminal code let alone gone to law school. I know "a thing or two "about law (You may wish you never started this legal discussion .. anyone but me Padovano).
No coverage: Firstly I'm not in New York I am based in Rome for work. The coverage in Italy is intense. Its no surprise it doesn't make its way outside Europe because a) RAI is the nations outsource of news b) RAI is made up of Agnelli loyalists appointed since the 1970's c) the last thing they will do is smear his team's name.

No evidence against Juve? When the procurator filed charges against Juventus director Antonio Giraudo and club doctor Riccardo Agricola for breaching Italy's sporting fraud laws there had to be evidence just to file. Shouldn't you know that? Do you charge individuals based on presumptions and hearsay??!
Secondly thus far they have:
1. Memo's outlining procedures ordered by Giraurdo and Agricola.
2. The deposition of Gianluca Vialli admitting the club doctor regularly administered substances for which there was no justification.
3. Report after report of expert witness at last month's hearing showing the players' red blood cell count indicated they were using the endurance-enhancer EPO.
4. Professor Gianmartino Benzi, a pharmacologist at the University of Pavia, and his deposition at trial that Juventus had a store containing 281 medicines. With more than five being prohibited.
5. Followed by the eventual summoning of Zinedine Zidane, Angelo Peruzzi, Filippo Inzaghi, Alessandro Del Piero and Didier Deschamps.
How as a criminal defence lawyer can you make a statement like that claiming they would file charges WITHOUT having evidence? What did you expect would happen in the upcoming preliminaries? Did you think the Judge would proceed based solely on speculation and circumstantial evidence?? I'm really curious about his because you state they have no evidence yet you realize there is a trial. Have you ever heard of a tribunal or even a prosecution filing without a evidence?
QUOTE: "Yes, Rafael Guarinello has put many witnesses on for questioning, but he is not getting anything he can use."
Besides Vialli's deposition nobody has testified. So I really don't know what you mean.
"but I would think that if anything tangible has come out in court then it would be front page news. So far, all smoke and mirrors."
If you make assumptions as you do ..of course its all smoke and mirrors. Buy a copy of the Corriere della Sera if you want news.

As a defence lawyer have you ever in your "career" seen the state file without evidence? What kind of song and dance did the prosecution give the state in the preliminary? I would really like to see a case where this happened. This would surely be a textbook case for malicious prosecution to say the least.

I'm was not throwing accusations from the start I simply asked you to look at what occured. You decided to insult.
what does my avatar have to do with anything? I happen to be an American. He happens to be my President. What is the problem?

You want to continue this discussion reply in my JUVE FACT OF THE WEEK thread as I feel a ban is almost deserving if I de-rail this thread anymore.

OH I SEE THE LIGHT!!!!!

No wait, I think im going blind. My grandma warned me about this. I shouldnt have wanked so much.

KB824 · Jan 9, 2004

They have laser corrective surgery for that now. So don't worry, Wank away, Son.

Layce Erayce · Jan 9, 2004

True, ricky.

Do you think I might have mistakenly spewed into the medicines the Juve players were taking?

KB824 · Jan 9, 2004

Well, were you looking to spew somewhere else instead?

Oh, I would hate to think that you were behind all of this.

You must learn to control your flow, young Skywalker.

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

What were the performance enhancing substances found in the punch bowl? Viagra and figs? Bananas and oat bran? It's coming out both ends now, Ricky.

Hey, Lac, my pirate avi should have a caption "I work pro bono"

Hydde · Jan 9, 2004

Usa jUventini and that furio guy are twisted!!! :dazed:

Layce Erayce · Jan 9, 2004

i was thinking you could somehow incorporate that into your signature, but ill do it if you say so, oh great sheep man.

btw did you claim you were italian and lived in padova?

The Pado · Jan 9, 2004

yes, Furio is sick. He should be banned

Juventuz Awards 2003 (Finalists) (18 Viewers)

Inferiority complex

Filthy Gobbo

Filthy Gobbo

Filthy Gobbo

Filthy Gobbo

Inferiority complex

Minimiliano Tristelli

Inferiority complex

Senior Member

Filthy Gobbo

Filthy Gobbo

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Filthy Gobbo

Minimiliano Tristelli

Senior Member

Filthy Gobbo

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 18)