Juve: In the Argentinian festival checking Riquelme (11 Viewers)

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Are you trying 2 say that in his hayday P.Nedved was not a Playmaker???
I wouldnt really call him one, he has the playmaker qualities but its not his "natural position"... i mean nedved has the battling affect, long shots and yes somewhat playmaker, but lets face it, its not his full time job on the pitch.. also nedved is prolly only good at most another season, we cant rely on nedved for everything.. i believe the word "fantista" comes to mind.. everyone prolly have their own definition but for me its restricted to a player playing in the centre and not on the left.
 

Red

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Moderator
Nov 26, 2006
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Does anybody here know that Riquelme needs the team to be built around him in order for him to have any chance of performing to his highest calibre? Villareal built the squad around him and gave him a free role to roam and do whatever he wants, with six other Argentinians in the squad as well as Friday night fiestas. Despite this, Riquelme choked in the biggest matches of his career... the matches against Barca and Real in La Liga and in the crucial stages in Europe, especially against Arsenal. The matches where he looked world class... against the likes of Osasuna, Alaves, Mallorca etc during his last season in Spain were... nothing more than the likes of Alaves, Osasuna, and Mallorca.

Does anybody here want the entire squad to be built around an inconsistent player? I would hope not.

Riquelme is no Kaka or Zidane or Gerrard or even Ronaldinho, so wake up people. He's not worth the trouble. And this is coming from a natural playmaker.
:agree:

I made this same point a few pages ago.
 

ararossi

Junior Member
Jun 6, 2007
158
Does anybody here know that Riquelme needs the team to be built around him in order for him to have any chance of performing to his highest calibre? Villareal built the squad around him and gave him a free role to roam and do whatever he wants, with six other Argentinians in the squad as well as Friday night fiestas. Despite this, Riquelme choked in the biggest matches of his career... the matches against Barca and Real in La Liga and in the crucial stages in Europe, especially against Arsenal. The matches where he looked world class... against the likes of Osasuna, Alaves, Mallorca etc during his last season in Spain were... nothing more than the likes of Alaves, Osasuna, and Mallorca.

Does anybody here want the entire squad to be built around an inconsistent player? I would hope not.

Riquelme is no Kaka or Zidane or Gerrard or even Ronaldinho, so wake up people. He's not worth the trouble. And this is coming from a natural playmaker.

are the players u mention above not have teams bulit around them milan playes

a 4-5-1 to accomadate kaka barcelona plays 4-3-3 to get ronaldinho to push

forward to support eto.only for the case stevie G is he played out of postion to

give so called balace to liverpool team but apart fron rafa most know his best

postion is centre midfield.

Riquelme has not copped out on the big stage. He destroyed real madrid when

playing for boca in the toyota cup a couple years back , or his recent game

against Gremio in the Copa Libertdores.The serie A is not 100 miles per hour

nonsense so it is ideal stage for him to play in. He would make diffrence with a

setpiece or cunning pass that could change results and that kind of play is rare

in modern football.Importantly he is player that we can get know while the players

u mention will not come to us now.
 
Jun 7, 2003
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are the players u mention above not have teams bulit around them milan playes

a 4-5-1 to accomadate kaka barcelona plays 4-3-3 to get ronaldinho to push

forward to support eto.only for the case stevie G is he played out of postion to

give so called balace to liverpool team but apart fron rafa most know his best

postion is centre midfield.

Riquelme has not copped out on the big stage. He destroyed real madrid when

playing for boca in the toyota cup a couple years back , or his recent game

against Gremio in the Copa Libertdores.The serie A is not 100 miles per hour

nonsense so it is ideal stage for him to play in. He would make diffrence with a

setpiece or cunning pass that could change results and that kind of play is rare

in modern football.Importantly he is player that we can get know while the players

u mention will not come to us now.
:tup:
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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are the players u mention above not have teams bulit around them milan playes

a 4-5-1 to accomadate kaka barcelona plays 4-3-3 to get ronaldinho to push
You can say that Milan is also built around Pirlo. Barcelona is not exactly built around Ronnie as he just plays either central forward or left-wing in a 4-3-3 system, which is Rijkaard's preferred system by the way.

And even if these teams were built around the said players, those said players are more reliable than Riquelme who is not by any means consistent. Kaka is perhaps the best player in the world and Ronnie was given that label one day, so please... put things into perspective here.

The serie A is not 100 miles per hour
No, but the midfields work in different ways than they do in Spain. And in relation to that fact, attacking midfielders in Italy do have defensive duties sometimes, which Riquelme is too lazy to do... another reason I don't like him much.

He would make diffrence with a

setpiece or cunning pass that could change results and that kind of play is rare

in modern football.Importantly he is player that we can get know while the players

u mention will not come to us now.
While he might make some cunning passes in some matches, in others he will do absolutely nothing and not fight through it. He'll just loaf through the match when he isn't getting the ball, as his workrate is rather poor. I'd rather spend money on a player such as Diego who has more potential and work rate.
 

ararossi

Junior Member
Jun 6, 2007
158
You can say that Milan is also built around Pirlo. Barcelona is not exactly built around Ronnie as he just plays either central forward or left-wing in a 4-3-3 system, which is Rijkaard's preferred system by the way.

And even if these teams were built around the said players, those said players are more reliable than Riquelme who is not by any means consistent. Kaka is perhaps the best player in the world and Ronnie was given that label one day, so please... put things into perspective here.

I am putting things is perspective the systems allows these players(Kaka , Ronaldinho) to excel.Riquelme has been more that often played on the wings in early la liga career but he works well coming from centre.Every great player has had their off days even the above mention I get the feeling u have not seen him much.

No, but the midfields work in different ways than they do in Spain. And in relation to that fact, attacking midfielders in Italy do have defensive duties sometimes, which Riquelme is too lazy to do... another reason I don't like him much.

Yes that whats dm and defs are for if the whole team is behind the ball when u get the ball u can't move foward without getting teamates in advance postions case in point liverpool .Ronaldinho never defends as well .

While he might make some cunning passes in some matches, in others he will do absolutely nothing and not fight through it. He'll just loaf through the match when he isn't getting the ball, as his workrate is rather poor. I'd rather spend money on a player such as Diego who has more potential and work rate.
workrate need not be high for someone in his postion as more important his is awareness around and his movements and importantly that of his team.As mentioned earlier there are too many players in current football that are hardworking and follow the instructions but sadly lacking in technical skills Riquelme is of a diffrent breed if stays at Boca during the summer watch him playagainst AC Milan in the World Club Championship in December, but i hope he willwearing the black and the white soon.Btw i do like the idea of diego because he could be a world beater if he joins the right club but for this season i am not sureif we are able to get him i keep reiterating that we have to be realistic in the player transfer market.If offered riquelme will come and the price would not be out of this world

Btw if u are ever coming to Singapore lets meet for a :pint:
 

Daddi

Cuadrado is juan hell of a derby king!
Oct 27, 2004
7,900
Riquelme would really improve our game and midfield alot! I mean.. today it is Nedved - Giannichedda - Zanetti - Camoranesi.

Very boring, very slow, very old and very bad passing and uncreative in the middle.
 

Hambon

Lion of the Desert
Apr 22, 2005
8,073
I love his style of play. He maybe inconsistant and i do agree we would have to mold the team a bit.....but if he is cheap, why not..we can mold him
 

Juve Libnan

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2007
1,394
we need some argentinian flavor in our team
riquelme would be a gamble after what happened with villareal but that could even cause his price to fall below ten million
i think he self handedly orchestrated argentinas midfield last yr in the world cup n when pekerman subbed him against germany that was the end for argentina
so what im trying to say is that id welcome riquelme with open arms esp since were born on the same day!!
 

Juve Libnan

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2007
1,394
anyone here a regular viewer of the apertura in argentina
ive seen a few games adn im always impressed with some performances
anyone know anything bout a player called machin for independiente
ive seen himplay twice and hes quite an instigator in the midfield...anyone know anything bout him
 

Wraith

Junior Member
Sep 1, 2006
331
Did anyone else get to see the Copa Libertadores final today? Riquelme was tearing it up...he might not be the fastest or the most hardworking or the happiest looking player, but I think he lost a total of 2 balls the whole game. What a player. This counts as a big game, right? He sure didn't choke today.

I know it's wishful thinking that we'll get Riquelme, but one can only hope.:pint:
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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anyone here a regular viewer of the apertura in argentina
ive seen a few games adn im always impressed with some performances
anyone know anything bout a player called machin for independiente
ive seen himplay twice and hes quite an instigator in the midfield...anyone know anything bout him
hes ok, but san lorenzo's lavezzi has been great all year.
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
No, but the midfields work in different ways than they do in Spain. And in relation to that fact, attacking midfielders in Italy do have defensive duties sometimes, which Riquelme is too lazy to do... another reason I don't like him much.


While he might make some cunning passes in some matches, in others he will do absolutely nothing and not fight through it. He'll just loaf through the match when he isn't getting the ball, as his workrate is rather poor. I'd rather spend money on a player such as Diego who has more potential and work rate.
I don't see how that's different from Zidane. He was no workacholic, infact he never really played much defence, but we needed his Creativity.

Now Im not comparing Riquelme to Zidane on the same level, so don't attack me. But I am saying that this style of playmaking has been proven to succeed. I would love Riquelme to join us, but then again, I'd say the same about any other 'real playmakers'.

And definately I would opt for Diego ahead of Riquelme, but if he's the more likely option, then Riquelme it is.
 

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