Juve doing without del piero?! (3 Viewers)

KeNgO · Mar 17, 2003

well if DP left juve
i know i would stick to juve
but in case Baiocco leaves then i would switch teams!!!

wait a minute!!!! Baiocco left!!!
(Thank you GOD)

mate · Mar 17, 2003

Nedved scored 8 goals, all on action, and he is a mieldfielder.
DP 12 but just 7 on action (5 are penaltyes) and half of tham with the assists of Nedved or from his freekicks, and he's a foward.
I think ther's no doubt about who is Juventus leader!!!
With DP retourn Juve will do even better cause he's of course better than Zalayeta and also than DV, but the point is that he is not "necessary" like Nedved; infact without him Juve won all the 6 match they played in seria A and reached the top.
And IMO Nedved is the best of the world in his role while ther's a lot of fowards better than DP or at his level... That's why I think ther's no reason to try to compare the importance of the 2 players 4 Juventus.

Tom · Mar 17, 2003

And IMO you are talking out of your arse

no, seriously there is no way that Nedved is better than Zdiane, Riquelme, Aimar etc. They have much better technique, vision, and range of passing. Nedved scores more, so he can be considered more effective, if you will, but not better

as to there being a lot of forwards better than Del Piero or at his level, bearing in mind he is a support striker, I would say only raul is at his level, and these two are way ahead of the competition at the moment

mate · Mar 17, 2003

Those player you are talking about are different from Nedved, they do not support the defence like him...
I think Zidane and Aimar are different from Neddy, they are more skillfull and spectacular, but they are not fighters, they do not contrast... Personaly I consider tham in a different role.

Del Piero is a support striker, but he play just in the front, he do not support the mieldfield at all and that is testimonied by the fact that he's in the top 10 of players in outside of serie A.

Raul is a 1/2 foward, he do not play in the front, and anycase he's an other planet comparing to Del Piero.

Del Piero is a "second striker" I think this is the best definition... cause saying "support striker" I do not really get who is he supporting

Tom · Mar 17, 2003

yes, they are different types of player, but they play often the same position, so they can still be compared IMO

Firstly, I reckon that Del Piero and Raul are of similar ability, I can't really choose between them. Raul plays for a much better offensive team remember, so because he has more CL goals does not make him better.

He is supporting the target man/main striker, thats what i mean. This is usually Trez for juve

mate · Mar 17, 2003

I think it really depends on the way of a team is playing if is better to have a skillful player like ZZ or an effective one like Nedved... IMO in Juve Pavel is not making anybody to cry, remembering ZZ.

According to Lippi, Nedved schould be the next golden ball!
That's maybe too mutch... but if you look the latest Pavel permormances, you will notice that ther's not so many "decisive" like him around...

IMO Raul is an other planet comparing with Del Piero... But this is just my opinion, and I consider Raul one of the best soccerplayer of the world so can be not so "objective".
Anycase they are very different, cause Raul, even if he play often as a foward can't be considered a striker 100%.

If you look at the matches one by one, you will see that DP best things are the goals, especially the last season.
When he has the ball he try to score... many times he do not pass the ball even if a team mate is in a better position... I think he cannot be considered an assist man or a support-striker.
The point is that he is not playing in the center like Treze but more in the side, that's why I use to call him "second striker".

KeNgO · Mar 17, 2003

i just wanna say something about ur conversation!!!

u guys were talking about Nedved! comparing him to ZZ and Aimar!

i don't believe any of these is better than Nedved! that is a personal opinion! ZZ has alot more skillz than nedved! but nedved has a fighting spirit that not many footballers posses at this era! he is excellent when playing! doesn't give up and always gives 100%! remember nedved's manners on the pitch is also very good! he rarely gets yellow carded!!!

when compared to ZZ who was IMO one of the main reasons why we were knocked out of the CL 3 years ago when he got the red card twice and cost us alot of points!!!!! we were the last team in the group that year!!!

the only similarity between Nedved and ZZ is that they both play behind the striker!!! ZZ has better skillz & Better Vision
while nedved makes up with his amazing Pace, great Work Rate, and excellent Shooting!!!!

i personnaly prefere to have Nedved in my team as his performance often motivates the performance of others to work better!!

that is an opinion after all! some like zidane more but i prefere nedved coz we have him and he is on excellent form!

KeNgO · Mar 17, 2003

03/17/2003. Juventus playmaker Pavel Nedved has played down suggestions that he could be named the European Footballer of the Year for 2003.

"Let's not get carried away," he stated. "I'm simply giving my very best at this moment in time and we are picking up some important results."

The Czech Republic international has been in super form this season, and netted two fine goals against Modena at the weekend.

Some are now even comparing him to the great Zinedine Zidane who left for Real Madrid last season.

But he said: "I can't be compared to Zidane. I simply look to give my contribution to the Juve cause by playing with grit and determination."
SA Italy

www.soccerage.com

mate · Mar 17, 2003

I am agree with you!
ZZ is already a football legend and I admire him a lot, but at the moment I will not exgange Nedved with anybody! He is the heart and the soul of Juventus and I don't think there's anybody in the world who can replace him, he is a unique player, cause he is the onlyone who play in his role who can combine skill with all this power and personality, he is a real fighter!
At the moment I think he is one of the best player of the world, if Juve will win the scudetto or the CL, he can really be in the race 4 the golden ball!

Ian · Mar 17, 2003

Two words: Michael Ballack, he's like Nedved and ZZ combined, the best of both worlds, with some strength and toughness thrown in.

DAVIDZ · Mar 17, 2003

I would take Nedved over Ballack any day.

denco · Mar 17, 2003

I do not mean to be rude , okay i do mean to be rude but just this once

YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE ABOUT FOOTBALL, you speak so much incredible nonsense, its unreal, it is possible to win 3-0 and not be impressive most especially if the opposition was crap on the day, your thrash talk about indirect free kicks and all that nonsense

Saying Di Vaio is a second striker who p[lays better with a "tower" just shows how much you do not know

Then you come up with the winner of the juve - Inter games usually wins the league is the stuff of legends

Where do u get your stuff anyways and i might not know much about football but one thing i do know is that I know better than you as you know absolutely nothing

You are not objective, you do not read posts with any form of reasoning or intellect, you just blab crap most of the time

Like I said you are doing a gr8 job in the Baggio tribute, please remain there as anytime you cross over from there, you are out of your depth and better yet stay at Bresia's forum

Apologies to all the moderators and everyone who will read this post but its time i take off my gloves for this guy, well just this once as this is a friendly forum and i do not want to take it downmarket

Respaul · Mar 17, 2003

Nice!

slack · Mar 17, 2003

Its strange but when it comes to superstars, oranges become apples. Sometimes, we compromise that both are fruits and live happily ever after. Most of the time though, both are quashed and thrown at each other in a spat

Running the risk of splitting my butt by sitting on the fence again, I'll take the half-full, half-empty approach on ZZ. You can say Juve never got the best out of the genius as they were never able to provide him the offensive complements Madrid did - advantage ZZ! Conversely, its not wrong to lay the fault on the man for failing the team by not living up to expectations - deuce? Link them and you get another chicken-egg squabble so why bother?

Whatever it is, do not however, forget some of his wonderful moments with us. Memories should be beautiful and the few good ones are worth all the bad and more!

Nedved is a fantastic player as well but he offers a completely different kind of pleasure compared to ZZ. At the end of it, it really comes to preferences - with all due respect to the divorced, the current wife's always the prettiest

(modified Wenger quote)

Some thoughts on the mistress ... Ballack is one helluva player and he'll be an excellent replacement for Nedved. I am wondering if they could co-exist as there are worse players to discard, DV being one of them.

mate · Mar 17, 2003

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
I do not mean to be rude , okay i do mean to be rude but just this once

YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE ABOUT FOOTBALL, you speak so much incredible nonsense, its unreal, it is possible to win 3-0 and not be impressive most especially if the opposition was crap on the day, your thrash talk about indirect free kicks and all that nonsense

Saying Di Vaio is a second striker who p[lays better with a "tower" just shows how much you do not know

Then you come up with the winner of the juve - Inter games usually wins the league is the stuff of legends

Where do u get your stuff anyways and i might not know much about football but one thing i do know is that I know better than you as you know absolutely nothing

You are not objective, you do not read posts with any form of reasoning or intellect, you just blab crap most of the time

Like I said you are doing a gr8 job in the Baggio tribute, please remain there as anytime you cross over from there, you are out of your depth and better yet stay at Bresia's forum

Apologies to all the moderators and everyone who will read this post but its time i take off my gloves for this guy, well just this once as this is a friendly forum and i do not want to take it downmarket

Just a question.
How many matches of Juve do you see?
My opinion is that you are too busy staring on your DP posters to see a football match.
You are the one who do not have a clue of football and my suggestion is to not cross over the DP forum, or if you do it... do not be surprised to find peaple answer to the crap you'r talking about...

denco · Mar 17, 2003

I have palco , stream and La7 which means last season , I saw all Juve's matches in SerieA , coppa Italia and Cl, I do not rely on Italia uno or Rai Uno to watch highlites to make a judgemnt

This season I have been able to watch Juve on C blauw which is dutch , Cplus sport which is French, Stream and British Eurosport so I think I watch Juve quite a lot

I watch football matches in different leagues and you have professed not to see a lot of La liga but you still know that Raul is on another planet to Dp

When do u get the time to watch Juve when you spend most of your time watching Brescia?

I hardly contribute to the Dp forum now do i nowadays
But you, if Baggio farts, you run up here to tell us.
now its that they are making an opera on him in theatre,you do not see me doing all thast now do you?

I am only interested in Dp the footballer and leave the other stuff to other ppl , not that I am knocking it but thats not what interests me.

I just wish you can come up with admirable argumants to support your points of view but sadly you do not, what you come up with makes for a lot of head scratching

I mean your little discussion with Tom just leaves me flabbergasted, you do come up with classics

mate · Mar 17, 2003

Which point of view can I espone with somebody who think that 1)Juve sucked vs Inter 2)Di Vaio is a Centravanti 3)DP did better than Nedved with freekicks this year? And those are just the crap you said in the last days...
It is just useless. My opinion is that you do not have a clue about soccer so I don't find it interesting to come up with "admirable arguments" with you. And I do not belive you are a Juve fan either... look at the other not-blind DP fans, they admit that Juve did grate without him and they are happy 4 it, especially 4 the grate victory vs Inter. You look just disappointed and you try to say it was not so impressive, while it was not just 4 you cause you preferred to stear at your DP poster, instead that to look at Juventus.

Btw I see all Juve matchs and if they are not in the same time I see also Brescia, Inter, Milan, Roma, Lazio.
About the Liga... yes is not so covered here, and infact I hardly enter discussions about Liga.

Tom · Mar 17, 2003

quality post denco

Respaul · Mar 17, 2003

No Offence Denco m8...
but why do you bother?
Everyone on this forum knows and respects you as the quality poster you are....

Why waste your time with a pointless argument that you will never win...

Great post anyway

denco · Mar 17, 2003

Okay I talkk crap, I admit it now its your turn to enlighten not just me but the whole forum

1) Point out where i said we sucked versus Inter as I will like to see it, plz highlight where i used the word suck versus Inter

2) Please tell us what excatly is Di Vaio's best position since he is not a centre forward in your view?

3)Explain how not scoring direct from free kick is better than scoring direct from free kicks

4) Tell us how if you do not watch La liga, you know how good Raul is?

5) Who will Play baggio in the theatre?

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